Harsh Punishments Needed to Deter File-Sharers

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While we certainly do not endorse illegal file sharing or copyright infringement, we don't think suing women, children, college students and dead people for $10k per song is the answer either.

The Unites States Government has submitted a brief to the Supreme Court asking it to uphold the $220,000 verdict in the RIAA vs. Thomas file-sharing case. According to the Obama administration damages of $9,250 per song is not an unconstitutional amount and is in fact needed to deter others from engaging on online piracy.
 

kbrickley

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Why don't we compromise ... sentence them to 50-100 hours of community service per song ... more useful to the community, more embarrassing for would be pirates, and less money in the pockets of fat cat record executives ... win-win in my book :D
 

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i still waiting for some famous singer to be caught pirating his/her own song.
 

Tudz

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i still waiting for some famous singer to be caught pirating his/her own song.

They've probably signed NDAs saying they won't talk about anything related to anything like that, lol.
 

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"According to the Obama administration damages of $9,250 per song is not an unconstitutional amount and is in fact needed to deter others from engaging on online piracy...."

RIAA and MPAA paid for politicians agree with the verdict in this case??? Nooooo... Really....:rolleyes:
 

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"According to the Obama administration damages of $9,250 per song is not an unconstitutional amount and is in fact needed to deter others from engaging on online piracy...."

RIAA and MPAA paid for politicians agree with the verdict in this case??? Nooooo... Really....:rolleyes:

If I got hit with that, going to welfare. :cool:
 

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At that price they don't want you to stop. They will probably post the files themselves to try to bait people in so they can sit back and collect.
 

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An entire album is worth what? $15 retail?

And even if we are going to stretch it beyond the fact that YOU download it and try to assign the value to each person you uploaded to there is simply no justification for your damages to be any more than the total amount of your upload of that file.

If the album torrent is 120MB for MP3... and you send 5GB of that album (which is a hell of a lot and not damn likely for the vast majority of people) you caused an absolute maximum of $615 by sharing the equivalent of the entire album 41.6 times.

Trying to assign damage by any other means is simply corrupt and not even an attempt at justice.

If you can't prove WHAT and HOW MUCH someone sent, you can't assign damage value. Hell, you don't even have a case.
 

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This is like saying "if we execute murders it will deter other murderers"

I'm sorry but the "you will be made an example for the others" mentality is not only unconstitutional but it's also barbaric whether it's $10,000 per song, or if it's thieves hanging from gallows outside a city, or heads on a pikes outside of a castle.

Fuck just look at the made up statistics by the RIAA, did illegal file sharing dramatically drop because this woman was thrown into financial ruin due to this lawsuit? No. And last but not least.... THIS ISN'T A CRIMINAL MATTER, THE RIAA IS SUING AS A CIVIL CASE.
 

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God, I wish these corporate leeches would fucking die already. Do the artists see any of this litigation money or is it like a class action lawsuit where some already over-privileged and overpaid ass-hat reaps the benefit?

I feel no pity...
 

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The USA is not the United States of America anymore..............We live in the United Corporate States of America now
 

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This is like saying "if we execute murders it will deter other murderers"

I'm sorry but the "you will be made an example for the others" mentality is not only unconstitutional but it's also barbaric whether it's $10,000 per song, or if it's thieves hanging from gallows outside a city, or heads on a pikes outside of a castle.

Fuck just look at the made up statistics by the RIAA, did illegal file sharing dramatically drop because this woman was thrown into financial ruin due to this lawsuit? No. And last but not least.... THIS ISN'T A CRIMINAL MATTER, THE RIAA IS SUING AS A CIVIL CASE.

Despite overwhelming evidence that execution DOES deter crime, it also does something else that you may not be thinking of. IT REMOVES MURDERES FROM THE PLANET.
 

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I've never understood this. $15 for an album, you pay 9000? Even if you shared it with a thousand people... wouldn't those thousand people be paying the 9000 a song as well?

Meaning that.. essentially, that the fine is collected multiple times for the same offense/violation?
 

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God, I wish these corporate leeches would fucking die already. Do the artists see any of this litigation money or is it like a class action lawsuit where some already over-privileged and overpaid ass-hat reaps the benefit?

I feel no pity...

The USA is not the United States of America anymore..............We live in the United Corporate States of America now

It isn't corporations, it's the lawyers.
 

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Despite overwhelming evidence that execution DOES deter crime, it also does something else that you may not be thinking of. IT REMOVES MURDERES FROM THE PLANET.

Word.


Honestly... I actually HAVE stopped 'pirating' music. Not because I fear prosecution, but partially because there is nothing coming out that I care to listen to, and partially because I'm tired of hearing the whining from the RIAA. When i used to use file sharing software, i still purchased the odd album, now I dont. So take that, now you aren't getting ANY of my money.
 

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An entire album is worth what? $15 retail?

And even if we are going to stretch it beyond the fact that YOU download it and try to assign the value to each person you uploaded to there is simply no justification for your damages to be any more than the total amount of your upload of that file.

If the album torrent is 120MB for MP3... and you send 5GB of that album (which is a hell of a lot and not damn likely for the vast majority of people) you caused an absolute maximum of $615 by sharing the equivalent of the entire album 41.6 times.

Trying to assign damage by any other means is simply corrupt and not even an attempt at justice.

If you can't prove WHAT and HOW MUCH someone sent, you can't assign damage value. Hell, you don't even have a case.

the value makes sense for commercial infringement ex. some one downloads an album makes cds and sells them to make money
but for some one that just did it for them self and lets face it sharing it to other on BT is just a side effect then your right its insane
 
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Why don't they do something more resonable like $25 a song. That way they will probably actually get some money to recoup the cost of the lawyers and court fees.
 

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Why don't they do something more resonable like $25 a song. That way they will probably actually get some money to recoup the cost of the lawyers and court fees.

they think the evil file shares are getting rich off there ill gotten gains :rolleyes:
 

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well its pretty clear it removes murders from the planet any thing is just extra

What if he was a murderer murderer? Someone who goes around killing murderers. You could remove more murdererers, if you do it more clevererer.;)
 

JL6speed

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All that sort of fine is just gonna make people file for bankruptcy. It won't stop shit.
 

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For a fine to be a deterrent it should actually be possible to pay off. You can fine someone a trillion dollars for something but they won't be able to pay it, so what's the point?

Also, simply saying that there is overwhelming evidence that executions deter crime doesn't actually make it true.
 

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When you screw the rich, it's called criminal activity. When the rich screws you it's called capitalism.
 

Tudz

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All that sort of fine is just gonna make people file for bankruptcy. It won't stop shit.
I dunno about you, but I don't particularly want to file for bankruptcy, nor do I want to sell my cars for the sake of a couple of songs. :p
 

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SHould make it the same as when big corperations "pirate" patents. 3x cost... So pirate an mp3, thats a $2.97 charge. :p
 

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Seems to me that the new music industry business model should be to encourage pirating as much as possible, and then prosecute individuals for $9000 a song.

That way they can release the same autotuned bling-bling garbage as usual, and make fortunes.
 

Ducman69

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All that sort of fine is just gonna make people file for bankruptcy. It won't stop shit.
If you own assets, you can lose everything. I've worked really hard to pay off my house as quickly as possible, making a lot of sacrifices when it comes to going out and going on vacations and limiting purchases of "toys" and the like while keeping my credit 100% solid.

Sure would suck to be forced into bankruptcy thanks to the RIAA and the Obama Administration.
 
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