well that awesome. To think i wanted to upgrade my board to a 680i
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One thing to remember about Intel, though. they have throughly bought into the "platform" approach to selling their products. Centrino, Viiv, VPro, etc. are all heavily pushed by Intel. I think adding discrete video cards to the platforms makes sense. AMD/ATi are heading that way and Intel does pay close attention to them.
I agree with Dan that Intel probably won't immediately threaten the high end market with a release, but if they come out with a midrange card and keep the cost down, they may well steal decent market share from ATI/Nvidia in the mainstream segments which is their bread and butter. This would gain them the experience needed to make a run on the high end segment. Intel certainly has the resources to do this and I think Nvidia is giving them a reason to want to.
I see only good things coming out of an Intel entry in the GC market. If Nvidia doesn't survive, it won't be the end of the world. Look at how we survived 3dfx demise!
yea but when 3DFX went down, there were more then just NV around =p it was, NV, ATI,Matrox,Kyro?,
yea but when 3DFX went down, there were more then just NV around =p it was, NV, ATI,Matrox,Kyro?,
That's twice the industry standard if I remember my statistics correctly. Even if that is true, I would imagine that many of those boards that "die" are capable of being repaired by the installation of a new BIOS chip, or other means.
The Gigabyte N680SLI-DQ6, ASUS Striker Extreme, and P5N32-E SLI were the only non-reference designed 680i SLI boards I can recall.
Except on the newer striker boards they solder the bios onto it so you can't just order a new one
Toss in the abit and MSI to that.
I've always wondered how good the gigabyte option was as I've never used one or seen one.
Not for Yorksfield. Which is what this thread is about. nVidia 6xx based boards currently do not officially support Yorksfield. Wow..some people just can't read.
well that awesome. To think i wanted to upgrade my board to a 680i
The funny thing about all of this is that NVIDIA can enable SLI on Intel's motherboards that contain 2 PCIe slots today if they really wanted too. I don't think most people realize that Intel's X38, P35 are all capable of running SLI video cards. You can run right now if you wanted too SLI via 78xx series of video cards on X38 and P35. Of course it's like modding a PS2 to play burned ROM's.
What prevents SLI to run on Intel's motherboards has something to do with recognizing the PCI Bridge of 2 cards. All NVIDIA needs to do is enable it in their drivers to recognize the PCI Bridge on Intel's chipsets and you could run SLI.
I've seen two 78xx series running on an X38 board already. It's using a hacked patch to trick the drivers into thinking that the PCI Bridge is authorized which then enables the SLI configuration. No one has been able to get the hacked patch to work with the newer 88xx series.
I'm still waiting for that patch to get updated.
Exactly. All NVIDIA has to do with their drivers is "see" Intel's PCI Bus. The hack patch does that (courtesy of ULi) It just won't work yet with the 88xx series of cards.
I hope Intel do come out with at least a Midrange and Highrange graphics card. For way too long there has been hardly any serious competition to Ati and Nvidia, and like everything else, no competition is bad. Look at the DX10 offerings from both companies, and you can see only a couple of highend solutions and 1 midrange solution. Everything else is just poor for what they tout them for.
Of course you could also blame DX10 for the amount of power it requires for the little graphical advantages you actually gain. It is in no way, shape or form anywhere near the leap from DX8 to DX9.
ahahaha
As an asus striker owner that is waiting for this 400$ 680i POS to die i'll answer this.
The 680i is a poorly designed , rushed to market chipset.It runs hot.It eats ram.the bios just dies.The mobo's just die.
From what I've heard from my local reseller ;The asus striker has a 6% failure rate inside 10 months.Thats outrageous.
Personally , I don't care even slightly what 680i boards are capable of supporting....I won't be using it anyways.
people at nvidia must be debating whether to license SLI or not. Currently I think it would be a mistake, SLI is a major selling point for nvidia motherboards, it lets them put a price premium that consumers are willing to pay even if they don't use it. If they let SLI go they will be forced to compete on price only since there are really no other benefits of choosing a nvidia board over an intel.
BTW many people are taking for granted that nvidia is going down, I'd take a look at its latest financial results before putting a nail in the coffin. Financially, nvidia is stronger than ever, so strong that a buyout is virtually impossible, and even if they are forced out of the chipset business there are other markets besides video cards that they can exploit.
No, it doesn't have to do that. Peer to peer rights are part of the PCIe 1.0/1.0a specification. The drivers actually have very little to nothing to do with it. NVIDIA drivers actually check the chipset type and if they don't match a specific list of supported chipsets, the SLI option is left disabled.
people at nvidia must be debating whether to license SLI or not. Currently I think it would be a mistake, SLI is a major selling point for nvidia motherboards, it lets them put a price premium that consumers are willing to pay even if they don't use it. If they let SLI go they will be forced to compete on price only since there are really no other benefits of choosing a nvidia board over an intel.
BTW many people are taking for granted that nvidia is going down, I'd take a look at its latest financial results before putting a nail in the coffin. Financially, nvidia is stronger than ever, so strong that a buyout is virtually impossible, and even if they are forced out of the chipset business there are other markets besides video cards that they can exploit.
Here's the issue though. How many people actually use SLI? A tiny fraction of the overall market. Yeah nvidia may sell a lot of SLI capable motherboards, but most of those are going to people that are using a single midrange GPU, or at best a single high end GPU.
If nforce continues to be a disaster on the intel side of things (and yes compared to intels offerings it is a disaster) they are going to drive away the people who purchased nforce and ended up with a single GPU the entire time.
If ATi get's their act together and offers a GPU with equal, or even a fraction worse, performance then nvidia then dual GPU becomes a viable option in crossfire or SLI flavor. Give near equal graphic performance and an option over a questionable chipset vs a great one how many people are going to keep buying nforce?
Not having SLI on an intel platform may keep their chipset sales strong, but it could also bite them in the ass for their GPU sales.
Here's the issue though. How many people actually use SLI? A tiny fraction of the overall market. Yeah nvidia may sell a lot of SLI capable motherboards, but most of those are going to people that are using a single midrange GPU, or at best a single high end GPU.
If nforce continues to be a disaster on the intel side of things (and yes compared to intels offerings it is a disaster) they are going to drive away the people who purchased nforce and ended up with a single GPU the entire time.
If ATi get's their act together and offers a GPU with equal, or even a fraction worse, performance then nvidia then dual GPU becomes a viable option in crossfire or SLI flavor. Give near equal graphic performance and an option over a questionable chipset vs a great one how many people are going to keep buying nforce?
Not having SLI on an intel platform may keep their chipset sales strong, but it could also bite them in the ass for their GPU sales.
whether SLI gets used or not is irrelevant, its still a major feature and nvidia charges a premium because of it. If they license SLI they will loose its best if not only selling point. I agree that nvidia is not nearly as good as Intel on mobos. Which kinda proofs my point.
ATI lost the entire intel chipset market (not that they had a big chunk in the first place) because of the AMD buyout so the least they could do is license crossfire.
For Intel to break into the midrange gpu market they would have alot of work to do ,nvidia has a real strong intigrated platform which they have coming that will be Dx10 compatible along with other advances that they are working on on the gpu front,so does AMD.AMD, again when mentioned is with undertones of death.There gpu engineers are making major leaps and bounds to where Nvidia is now playing a wait and see.For Intel to jump in the main stream gpu market a lot of money would have to be spent to come close.midrange market gpu are what? $180/300,in order for them to compete it would have to be real good or real cheap.AMD has already challenged Nvidia in that arena with both coming out with some solid performers.AMD has been talking about there multi-core R680(2 cores) and R700(2/4 cores).Nvidia has something that they are not talking about yet ,but we already know it will be serious.AMD/Nvidia is running at full tilt it will be tough for Intel,which I dought they can
/shrug, all Intel has to do is not disclose to Nvidia the engineering data for Nehalem board development and I would think the Nvidia chipset business would be mortally wounded. Is there some existing agreement that Intel must honor and share Nehalem engineering ?
huh ? Skulltrail uses Nvidia chips embedded on the Intel board to provide SLI but are you talking about Intel coming up with their own proprietary video card "teaming" scheme ?
ALL INTEL INSIDE ! (Why does that make my wallet cringe in fear ? )
I guess I've been living under a rock - since when did Intel announce / someone leak information that Intel would be producing dedicated graphics cards? I can't find any info on the net either... Someone help me out here please.
Yep time to buy 1000 shares of Intel.
A wise very investment.
lol , a reworked 680i with a pci-e 2.0 add on chip, next gen HA !
And I feel for the recent 680i buyers but look at what Intel has done to Intel customers over the last 14 mounts,
Board after board with minimal performance increases, same cpu respun with new numbers but NO performance increase. It is not like the new ones are any faster than my OCed E6300 I bought the first day C2D's were available. OK more cache, /yawn. We (that hang around here and places like it ) are knowledable enough to avoid the major BS but the average consumer ?
Intel is clearly in the divers seat and within the 6 months has started acting that way, at least it seems that way to me. An you know, they are in business first and foremost to make money. But dear God no, we do not need another Microsoft on the hardware side.
Wait....people still buy IDE parts? You must be joking.
The funny thing about all of this is that NVIDIA can enable SLI on Intel's motherboards that contain 2 PCIe slots today if they really wanted too. I don't think most people realize that Intel's X38, P35 are all capable of running SLI video cards. You can run right now if you wanted too SLI via 78xx series of video cards on X38 and P35. Of course it's like modding a PS2 to play burned ROM's.
What prevents SLI to run on Intel's motherboards has something to do with recognizing the PCI Bridge of 2 cards. All NVIDIA needs to do is enable it in their drivers to recognize the PCI Bridge on Intel's chipsets and you could run SLI.
I've seen two 78xx series running on an X38 board already. It's using a hacked patch to trick the drivers into thinking that the PCI Bridge is authorized which then enables the SLI configuration. No one has been able to get the hacked patch to work with the newer 88xx series.
I'm still waiting for that patch to get updated.
The only thing that keeps Intel from getting into the video card business, gaining experience, and eventually being a major player is their desire to do so. Not giving SLI to Intel could be the proverbial straw that makes Intel take the plunge. Nvidia would then not only be in danger of losing the chipset market, but substantial market share of their bread and butter video card market as well.
Also, I don't think Nvidia is going down now. Its only if Intel does enter this arena and create a competitive offering that they are in any danger.
...you paid $400 for a Striker. Some might say you got what you deserved.
I've run nvidia SLI since nforce4 and the 6800's, and faithfully upgraded each chance.
I'll say this. My next dual GPU build will be on an intel motherboard, SLI or not. So they have a choice of moving 2 gpus, or 0 gpus. But they sure as hell aren't selling me another chipset.
We're creating a tempest in a teapot here.
There are only a tiny percentage of performance enthusiast PC builders out there that even have 680i motherboards. Not even enough to create a PR problem for Nvidia. All Nvidia has to do is either make a v2 revision of the chipset or produce a new one that works with the new CPUs.
I build a lot of core chip systems and no one asks for 680i motherboards. I think they're limited to top end DIY builders who buy from Newegg. Even my own overclocked Q6600 is running on a P35 chipset motherboard.
I did'nt buy from newegg , but the comment still stands , it's a very small minority of users that are actually running 680i's...the 'enthusiast/diy' crowd mostly.
The whole issue basically sucks.There are 680i owners with no problems , and 680i owners with lots of problems.With the lack of support for newer processors , I'd say the 680i is not the platform to recommend to anyone.
Except for those of us that'd rather play Crysis than transcode video.I'd say the 680i is not the platform to recommend to anyone.
I have had both. I've got 680i SLI boards that are rock solid and ones that are crap. As for not recommending it to anyone I can't agree. If you want SLI, you have to use a 600 series NVIDIA chipset whether you like it or not.
Not entirely true. You could always use an nForce4 or nForce 500-series with an AMD processor (after all, the GPU's are more important than the CPU for most games at most common resolutions, hence going SLI in the first place, right?). Or you could use the nForce 500-series for Intel, though those weren't very well received either for reasons I cannot recall.
Lastly, the person you were replying to said specifically the 680i. If I wanted to run a Core 2 with SLI today, I'd go with a 650i, no question about it, unless I had a PCI-E 4x+ expansion to worry about (and how many other people are running SLI and a raid controller or other PCI-E 4x expansion card?). Though 650i's have some issues too, I get the distinct impression that they have fewer issues than the 680i. The 680i LT is also a possibility, but those are only available in reference designs, and have (probably noisy) chipset fans.
Until now, Intel was your only choice for a real quad that was x86 compatible.