Greenpeace Vandalizes HP Corporate HQ

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I can't support an environmentalist group that does things like this and then to top that off some of their key leaders have been known to drive very fuel innefficient vehicles and didn't even have the common courtesy to carpool. I think the only thing that's ever come out of an environmentalist group worth honoring is the three R concept - reduce, reuse and recycle. And even then I will still credit that to Captain Planet before I give credit to Greenpeace or any other group. At least the show was mildly entertaining and the PSAs to follow were on occasion, good ideas.

I don't support PETA because they euthanize more animals than they save, and if I remember correctly one of their spokespeople was AGAINST the idea of NO KILL SHELTERS. Wait, you're an animal rights group, pissed off that animals are being slaughtered left and right, yet you do it many times worse than all the labs and animal testing facilities you raid and destroy, and don't even support no-kill shelters? What? You release domesticated animals into the wild "where they belong" then have the audacity to be surprised and shocked that they don't last five minutes in their "natural habitat" and die?

Yeah, I don't think so.

Stuff like this isn't going to phase HP at all till their stocks are affected by it. Even then they'll just do a commentary response to make everything right again, and then its business as usual.

What these groups SHOULD be doing is pooling their resources and taking major stocks into these companies. Companies seem to bow down before the stockholders before they cater to anyone else. But again, that would imply that these groups actually care about the causes they represent.
 

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Another example of these groups is the mentioned Whale War's playing on Animal planet. I literally had bile in my throat when I saw this being glorified on television by animal planet. While I do not in any way condone the acts of the Japanese whalers, the solution is not to commit acts of blatant piracy against them. The fact that it is put in animal planet as anything other then what it is, is utterly revolting. Every single member of that crew should be arrested in the spot when they come into port and tried as pirates under international law since their acts are committed in international waters.
Whale Wars is perfectly acceptable because they are the only active means of enforcement in regards to whaling. There is no organization, not even the United Nations that works to stop whaling. Sure you can have "meetings" on agreements that whaling is bad and all, that it threatens species which can drive them to extinction, etc but none of them do jack shit. The Australian Government allows the Sea Shepard to refuel and dock in Australia without any repercussions because the government is also against whaling and doesn't tolerate it within their sovereignty but out there, no one "cares". The Japanese does this for "research" but there is zero research to be done on whales which instead they exploit this argument to distribute whale blubber and etc for commodity.
 

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And people wonder why no one likes groups like Greenpeace, Peta and all the other ones…it’s lame stunts like this that turn people off.

i disagree, its stunts like this that gets them publicity so that other eco freaks know that there are other ppl out there with the same feelings towards environmental responsibility among manufacturers of goods.
 

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:p I wonder if all the negative publicity HP is receiving will help to motivate them to fix their flawed practices? As a industry leader they should lead by example. What goes around, comes around.
Flawed practices? They're the one company that's trying to bring their support jobs back to the US... They're CREATING JOBS for some of these hippies. What's more important? Keeping several thousand people employed or manufacturing computer parts that keep even more people employed?

Whale Wars is perfectly acceptable because they are the only active means of enforcement in regards to whaling.
:rolleyes:
We all see how effective it is... :rolleyes:

They're just a PITA more than anything. It's like going to a gunfight with a knife is all they amount to.
 

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Wow... some of you people sure are thick. Must be from lack of meat eating.

No one is saying they are terrorists because of this act. Do you think we're stupid? No. I am saying they are criminal scum who act like terrorists, this was not their first nor their worst offense. Notice the difference?!

Like PETA supporting fire bombing buildings. So bombing a building is not terrorism in your minds as well. A terrorist has to be an arab muslim with an explosive belt around his waist, right? RIGHT?

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Problem with PETA and Greenpeace and the like is. I support some of their ideas, ethical treatment of animals, etc, jsut not the wya they go about doing it. I believe in livestock being raised for food/materials, but I think Michael Vick is a piece of sh*t for fighting domesticated animals.
 

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Problem with PETA and Greenpeace and the like is. I support some of their ideas, ethical treatment of animals, etc, jsut not the wya they go about doing it. I believe in livestock being raised for food/materials, but I think Michael Vick is a piece of sh*t for fighting domesticated animals.

I agree... But the Humane Society already polices the ethical treatment. If there's a neglected pet or unfed pet, or one in a small cage in 100deg heat on pavement all day, the Humane Society already takes care of that.

PETA goes above and beyond that... Sorry but people need their meat... You go to war with an army that is babied with Veggies against one fed Meat... you take a guess who would win. Our meat-eating soldiers guarantee the freedom that PETA has to vandalize other people's properties.
 

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We all see how effective it is... :rolleyes:

They're just a PITA more than anything. It's like going to a gunfight with a knife is all they amount to.
Quite actually. You rather let certain species of whales become endangered species because the Japanese wants to fulfill their expensive commodity habits? Don't forget that Fin Whales are already endangered. Because of Greenpeace / Whale Wars / etc, countries now refuses to do anything with Japanese whalers. For example, there are videos you can find on Japanese killing bottlenose dolphins by slashing their throat or belly and letting them suffer intentionally. Yes we have slaughterhouses regarding cows and etc but we do it fast and quick. Would you be fine with the concept if we just cut down the middle of a cow's belly and waiting for it to die?

Also they're nothing like pirates, sure they broadside Japanese whaler ships but only to disrupt their hunt. The ICR is nothing more than a ploy is to profit off the trade. Like I said, they're the only means of enforcement to end whaling. International Waters is a tricky subject and the Sea Shepard do not qualify under "pirates" under the UNCLOS so no one will do shit to them. Australia condones the Sea Shepard because the Japanese sails south to "research' in Antarctica near their country. As their Navy can't do anything about it, Sea Shepard will.
 

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Flawed practices? They're the one company that's trying to bring their support jobs back to the US... They're CREATING JOBS for some of these hippies. What's more important? Keeping several thousand people employed or manufacturing computer parts that keep even more people employed?
Coins have two sides, you know?
Wow... some of you people sure are thick. Must be from lack of meat eating.

No one is saying they are terrorists because of this act. Do you think we're stupid? No. I am saying they are criminal scum who act like terrorists, this was not their first nor their worst offense. Notice the difference?!

Like PETA supporting fire bombing buildings. So bombing a building is not terrorism in your minds as well. A terrorist has to be an arab muslim with an explosive belt around his waist, right? RIGHT?

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Does the rare actions of a few in these organizations mean the entire organization is a terrorist organization?

Problem with PETA and Greenpeace and the like is. I support some of their ideas, ethical treatment of animals, etc, jsut not the wya they go about doing it. I believe in livestock being raised for food/materials, but I think Michael Vick is a piece of sh*t for fighting domesticated animals.
Have you seen the way some of these farms treat their animals? I don't see how doing fucked up shit in the name of science is somehow more morally justifiable than doing it for entertainment is. Both of them benefit people, do they not?
 

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Also they're nothing like pirates, sure they broadside Japanese whaler ships but only to disrupt their hunt. The ICR is nothing more than a ploy is to profit off the trade. Like I said, they're the only means of enforcement to end whaling. International Waters is a tricky subject and the Sea Shepard do not qualify under "pirates" under the UNCLOS so no one will do shit to them. Australia condones the Sea Shepard because the Japanese sails south to "research' in Antarctica near their country. As their Navy can't do anything about it, Sea Shepard will.

Only to disrupt it is all they accomplish. They're not stopping anything. They're just pissing the whalers off is all they're doing. If you want to truly stop something like that, force is the only way to do it. They *need* to become more like pirates if they want to do anything about it.

I'm all for saving some whales and dolphins, believe me... But these people are going about it the completely wrong way. Only thing whalers are going to understand is a heavy hand.
 

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Only to disrupt it is all they accomplish. They're not stopping anything. They're just pissing the whalers off is all they're doing. If you want to truly stop something like that, force is the only way to do it. They *need* to become more like pirates if they want to do anything about it.

I'm all for saving some whales and dolphins, believe me... But these people are going about it the completely wrong way. Only thing whalers are going to understand is a heavy hand.
Okay so show me any kind of enforcement being done to stop the whalers? I'll answer that question for you. None. Japan is an ally of of the western world out there and because of this, whaling is overlooked no different from the Scandinavian countries. These same people exposed how the whalers slaughter and as a result action was taken in their own countries on certain methods to be banned. However enforcement on their part is questionable at best.
 

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Coins have two sides, you know?

Does the rare actions of a few in these organizations mean the entire organization is a terrorist organization?

if they're endorsing it/putting their name behind it, then yes.


If they spoke out against it, then that's a totally different story. Everyone has a right to peaceful protest, but once you start damaging shit like a bunch of savages/breaking laws, then they're no different than the KKK burning a cross in somebody's yard, McVeigh taking down a government building because he didn't agree with them or ELF burning a hummer dealership . It's double standard
 

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Coins have two sides, you know?

Does the rare actions of a few in these organizations mean the entire organization is a terrorist organization?


Have you seen the way some of these farms treat their animals? I don't see how doing fucked up shit in the name of science is somehow more morally justifiable than doing it for entertainment is. Both of them benefit people, do they not?
Since you can see how I am about whaling and all but I do agree with these people and think PETA is a bunch of fucking morons. Newkirk for example is an insane bitch who thinks that every domestic animal / pet should die because it's not a natural order since before we domesticated them, they were living fine on their own. So they would demand that you release animals into the wild even if they starve to death.
 

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When PETA sponsored/approved it? Yes.
if they're endorsing it/putting their name behind it, then yes.

If they spoke out against it, then that's a totally different story. Everyone has a right to peaceful protest, but once you start damaging shit like a bunch of savages/breaking laws, then they're no different than the KKK burning a cross in somebody's yard, McVeigh taking down a government building because he didn't agree with them or ELF burning a hummer dealership . It's double standard
Then why hasn't the government, who just loves to label people as terrorists, not swooped in and shut them down? Because they're not terrorists organizations.
Since you can see how I am about whaling and all but I do agree with these people and think PETA is a bunch of fucking morons. Newkirk for example is an insane bitch who thinks that every domestic animal / pet should die because it's not a natural order since before we domesticated them, they were living fine on their own. So they would demand that you release animals into the wild even if they starve to death.
I agree with you completely. But, they aren't "terrorist" organizations, hence, we don't kill their members and lock up the ones who survive.
 

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Then why hasn't the government, who just loves to label people as terrorists, not swooped in and shut them down? Because they're not terrorists organizations.

because they're a powerful lobby group ;) (read: political) Same as ELF, the KKK, Black Panthers, etc

Pretty much THE reason why the founding member of greenpeace stopped associating himself with that group. You're naive if you think that the FBI doesn't have a agents watching them (and other extremist groups) very very closely.
 

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Okay so show me any kind of enforcement being done to stop the whalers? I'll answer that question for you. None. Japan is an ally of of the western world out there and because of this, whaling is overlooked no different from the Scandinavian countries. These same people exposed how the whalers slaughter and as a result action was taken in their own countries on certain methods to be banned. However enforcement on their part is questionable at best.
Not arguing with any of that.
I'm just saying there's STILL nothing being done about it, except for the fact these people waste more fuel chasing these whalers around the world to throw a few gas bombs on their decks...

Then why hasn't the government, who just loves to label people as terrorists, not swooped in and shut them down? Because they're not terrorists organizations..
No, because attention is exactly what they want. What better martyr story than to say the government is picking on them because they don't agree with it?
 

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The U.S. Government condones domestic terrorism. It all makes sense now! Thanks so much for the enlightenment!
 

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Then why hasn't the government, who just loves to label people as terrorists, not swooped in and shut them down? Because they're not terrorists organizations.

I agree with you completely. But, they aren't "terrorist" organizations, hence, we don't kill their members and lock up the ones who survive.
I'll elaborate a little bit. They do it for money and self-interest. To get money, it requires PR so they have to look good to the public. Now take that aspect out and they'll just a bunch of unhinged lunatics who don't give a shit for the rest of the general population and in that regard, they'll become a terrorist organization.
 

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NOOOoooo... the FBI is on to my knowledge. You guys better run or you'll be next!.....
 

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I'll elaborate a little bit. They do it for money and self-interest. To get money, it requires PR so they have to look good to the public. Now take that aspect out and they'll just a bunch of unhinged lunatics who don't give a shit for the rest of the general population and in that regard, they'll become a terrorist organization.

They are terrorists in the future? Better call the time cops!
 

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They are on open waters and, as such, not subject to local laws, no? I really don't care if those two groups of filth battle it out out on the sea.

Which is why I said international law, or more specifically international maritime law. There are laws covering this.

Whale Wars is perfectly acceptable because they are the only active means of enforcement in regards to whaling. There is no organization, not even the United Nations that works to stop whaling. Sure you can have "meetings" on agreements that whaling is bad and all, that it threatens species which can drive them to extinction, etc but none of them do jack shit. The Australian Government allows the Sea Shepard to refuel and dock in Australia without any repercussions because the government is also against whaling and doesn't tolerate it within their sovereignty but out there, no one "cares". The Japanese does this for "research" but there is zero research to be done on whales which instead they exploit this argument to distribute whale blubber and etc for commodity.

So just because you agree with their cause that makes piracy acceptable? What delusional world are you living in? Acts of piracy/terrorism are NEVER acceptable just because you happen to agree with the cause.
 

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it's the same reason why organized crime is still around. They can take a few members down for petty shit, or build a file and put a bunch of key players in jail for a laundry list of crimes.

They'll never be able to take an ENTIRE organization down, it's just not possible or efficient to do. Besides, as a lobby group, they have all kinds of politicians pockets greased that come to their aid ;) (as with any political group)

lol your signature is as ironic as is gets. It's like a crazy person now knowing that they're crazy
 

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So just because you agree with their cause that makes piracy acceptable? What delusional world are you living in? Acts of piracy/terrorism are NEVER acceptable just because you happen to agree with the cause.
Maybe you need to read the piracy clause in UNCLOS again. What they do isn't piracy at all. In fact it's not even remotely close.
(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;
(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;
(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).
Their effort is broadcasted on TV so why aren't there any conventions calling to declare Sea Shepard a pirate organization? Oh right, they're not.
 

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(a) any illegal acts of violence or detention, or any act of depredation, committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or a private aircraft, and directed:

(i) on the high seas, against another ship or aircraft, or against persons or property on board such ship or aircraft;
(ii) against a ship, aircraft, persons or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any State;

(b) any act of voluntary participation in the operation of a ship or of an aircraft with knowledge of facts making it a pirate ship or aircraft;
(c) any act of inciting or of intentionally facilitating an act described in subparagraph (a) or (b).

Sounds like boarding a ship without permission and throwing crap onto their deck would fit the bill to me.
 

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it's the same reason why organized crime is still around. They can take a few members down for petty shit, or build a file and put a bunch of key players in jail for a laundry list of crimes.

They'll never be able to take an ENTIRE organization down, it's just not possible or efficient to do. Besides, as a lobby group, they have all kinds of politicians pockets greased that come to their aid ;) (as with any political group)

lol your signature is as ironic as is gets. It's like a crazy person now knowing that they're crazy

PETA is not a criminal organization that hides in the shadows and is hard to find. They have a website, a headquarters, bank accounts, etc. With all the "powers" the government has when it comes to spying, if they wanted to shut these people down, they could. Be a little less fallacious in your analogies next time.
 

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Maybe you need to read the piracy clause in UNCLOS again. What they do isn't piracy at all. In fact it's not even remotely close.
Their effort is broadcasted on TV so why aren't there any conventions calling to declare Sea Shepard a pirate organization? Oh right, they're not.

Read it and "Private ends" easily covers their goals as theirs goal privately benefits their cause. That is fairly vague terminology with purpose as to cover acts of privateers as well as they are pirates for a large organization (Apparently you forgot what you were taught in history). I am also pretty sure throwing fire bombs which has been televised of them doing, quantifies as an act of violence, if you think not then feel free to throw one at a corporate building and see just how quick you end up in jail on charges of terrorism. The reason there aren't any conventions calling to declare is a pirate organization is no one wants to be the one accused of supporting the actions of the whalers. We live in a day and age where the media can slander anyone they wish and utterly ruin someones life just for ratings. Any public figure that took a stand against this would have their career destroyed.
 

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PETA is not a criminal organization that hides in the shadows and is hard to find. They have a website, a headquarters, bank accounts, etc. With all the "powers" the government has when it comes to spying, if they wanted to shut these people down, they could. Be a little less fallacious in your analogies next time.

RIAA is still around, no?
 

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PETA is not a criminal organization that hides in the shadows and is hard to find. They have a website, a headquarters, bank accounts, etc. With all the "powers" the government has when it comes to spying, if they wanted to shut these people down, they could. Be a little less fallacious in your analogies next time.

the same can be said for the ku Klux Klan (they have their own website) ;) yet, I don't think any rational human being would agree with that.

Whatever, people aren't going to change their opinions over some random post on the internet so arguing about it is pointless. To each their own. If you are involved with some stuff like that just use common sense, it's a good way to get the wrong kind of attention brought upon yourself ;) You are the company you keep (guilt by association)
 

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and after they were done they went home and logged on to the "social website" using a HP computer
 

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Read it and "Private ends" easily covers their goals as theirs goal privately benefits their cause. That is fairly vague terminology with purpose as to cover acts of privateers as well as they are pirates for a large organization (Apparently you forgot what you were taught in history). I am also pretty sure throwing fire bombs which has been televised of them doing, quantifies as an act of violence, if you think not then feel free to throw one at a corporate building and see just how quick you end up in jail on charges of terrorism. The reason there aren't any conventions calling to declare is a pirate organization is no one wants to be the one accused of supporting the actions of the whalers. We live in a day and age where the media can slander anyone they wish and utterly ruin someones life just for ratings. Any public figure that took a stand against this would have their career destroyed.
Your logic is saying that I have a right to exterminate an entire species and should not be opposed by people who are not of the proper authorities because the authorities do not do anything about it, they should be castigated as pirates? I see. But UNCLOS is pretty damn clear on what it means and what the origins of that implementation goes back to. You can't change that and you're reaching at strings here. Common Law when made by judges looks back to the origin of why the law was made in the first place. And those clauses I pointed out traces back to the actual piracy that existed during the colonial period especially during when the British ruled the seas. And in this case, it doesn't apply to Sea Shepard.
 

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You skipped over (a)

So throwing crap onto someone else's vessel isn't physical aggression? Boarding someone else's vessel isn't physical aggression? I'd consider that a form of violence, myself (Which is also defined as "physical force").
 
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