Greenpeace Vandalizes HP Corporate HQ

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After repeatedly calling out HP for using PVC and hazardous chemicals in its devices, the group has taken matters into its own hands -- specifically, by slipping into the company's Palo Alto headquarters and painting "hazardous products" on the roof, in really big letters, with non-toxic children's paint.

... but they didnt even consider all of the childern that had to die to make that paint... :D

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I wonder what's worse...trespassing and doing very minimal damage to create awareness or letting a multi-million dollar corporation continue to use toxic and hazardous products to their employees and the world when there's perfectly viable alternatives...

hmmm...perspective check?
 

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Well...when nothing shocks the proletariat through the regular channels...I suppose this is the result.

And it sure got people talking.

To greenpeace, I would say that means "mission accomplished".

Folks who think this is terrorism or some other kinda of bologna of that sort....what about your Boston Tea Party?

I know it'd be illegal and all these days(under your Patriot Act)...but is that not a big part of your history? Rebelling against the imperialist oppressor?

The loyalists today make me giggle. Where would you run to if the tables turned again...as they did on the loyalists of the past?

Sure, I'm Canadian. I still have some idea of the principles the US was founded on. And the folks that are so ready to just tow the line...for shame!!! Make up your own mind. Think for yourself. It really isn't THAT much of an effort.

Live free or die, eh?
 

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I piss Greenpeace off everyday, just by going to work, and I am proud to do it.

Greenpeace is nothing but a self serving political organization whose sole purpose is to draw attention to themselves, such that they hold on to some lobbying power rather than doing real work to help the environment.

Like PETA, I choose to support organizations that do things which actually remember the roots of their cause rather than a wannabe group of spoiled suburbanites who seem to think that they way is the only way, and that they will resort to what ever means accomplish their "goals".
 

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I'm wearing my chinchilla fur coat and using aerosol air freshener while I type this...

Hmm, maybe I'll go grab a beer out of my freon cooled fridge and leave the lights in my apartment on while I sleep.

I wonder what's worse...trespassing and doing very minimal damage to create awareness or letting a multi-million dollar corporation continue to use toxic and hazardous products to their employees and the world when there's perfectly viable alternatives...
Even before the garbage that has made Greenpeace infamous this was the exact attitude that made people hate them and their supporters.

You talk a good line - now back it up with a useful, scalable, maintainable, and practical solution instead of vandalizing property.

It's easy to talk like you're tough shit when you don't have to back it up with anything but a hissy fit.

Disclaimer: Not an attack on the person quoted, moreso on Greenpeace.
 

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Greenpeace was thinking of the countries economy and wanted to create more jobs for security personnel and power washing crews, they did a service to the country, you bunch of hum bugs

Totally illegal though, and not right, hope someone at least pays some hefty fine and to fix the damage over at Greenpeace.
Can't say I like companies that use a bunch of toxic crap to save money though.
 

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Honestly it is long past time to arrest most of the members of these organized crime syndicates and terrorist supporting organizations and disband them permanently. Activism is what we had in the 60's and 70's, these people aren't activist, they are criminals and terrorists and should be treated as such.

I disagree with their methods in this particular case, but I would caution anyone from cavalierly labeling groups like Greenpeace as "terrorists?" Beyond the connotation associated with that designation, the US government has passed laws like the Animal Enterprise Protection Act that make certain, seemingly benign actions by activist groups felonies and allow the government to prosecute them as domestic terrorists. If you want a particularly egregious example, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAC_7#SHAC_7. In that case vegan activists who were protesting an animal testing facility each recieved multiple year jail sentences for running a website about their protest and suggesting therein that fellow minded activists send Hunington Labs "black faxes" (ie take a few sheets of black paper, tape them end to end, then send an endless fax to your target wearing out their toner and tieing up their fax line).
 

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pvc, as in pvc pipe? You are pissed at that? Come on hippies, your level of stupid hurts.
 

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Tying up fax lines and wasting electricity and toner doesn't sound very economical nor productive. Isn't toner at least a least bit toxic? Anyway doing something rash could and should either have positive or negative consequences. I don't support the idea of getting away scotch free.
 

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Meh. It's frickin' Greenpeace. Just a bunch of wannabes trying to emulate the E.L.F.
 

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They have to do stuff like that to get noticed. As long as no one is hurt I don't see it as a big problem. It's those groups who rather kill a human than to let him kill a rat who are a problem.
 

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I disagree with their methods in this particular case, but I would caution anyone from cavalierly labeling groups like Greenpeace as "terrorists?" Beyond the connotation associated with that designation, the US government has passed laws like the Animal Enterprise Protection Act that make certain, seemingly benign actions by activist groups felonies and allow the government to prosecute them as domestic terrorists. If you want a particularly egregious example, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAC_7#SHAC_7. In that case vegan activists who were protesting an animal testing facility each recieved multiple year jail sentences for running a website about their protest and suggesting therein that fellow minded activists send Hunington Labs "black faxes" (ie take a few sheets of black paper, tape them end to end, then send an endless fax to your target wearing out their toner and tieing up their fax line).

As with the example of the Technology Fail with the Dolphin getting eaten after 8 months under captivity. People that do these things, wouldn't survive a day in a natural environment.
 

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I disagree with their methods in this particular case, but I would caution anyone from cavalierly labeling groups like Greenpeace as "terrorists?" Beyond the connotation associated with that designation, the US government has passed laws like the Animal Enterprise Protection Act that make certain, seemingly benign actions by activist groups felonies and allow the government to prosecute them as domestic terrorists. If you want a particularly egregious example, check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHAC_7#SHAC_7. In that case vegan activists who were protesting an animal testing facility each recieved multiple year jail sentences for running a website about their protest and suggesting therein that fellow minded activists send Hunington Labs "black faxes" (ie take a few sheets of black paper, tape them end to end, then send an endless fax to your target wearing out their toner and tieing up their fax line).

Do some actual reading on the methods of organizations like PETA and Greenpeace. Some of their methods are benign yes, however a great number of them cross clearly into terroristic activities. The overwhelming majority of their activities break the law and as such the labeling of them as a modern day crime syndicate is extremely accurate as they brazenly flaunt it. At the bare minimum both Greenpeace and Peta Support individuals and groups who have flatly and blatantly resorted to terrorism to achieve their goals. This has been pointed out numerous times about both organizations and their attitude is they are above the law. A number of individuals and groups who resorted to above said tactics were in fact imprisoned under charges of terrorism and both organizations continue to stand behind the actions of those groups. Anyone who supports either group is at best uninformed and at worst a fool. I would wager a significant percentage of the supporters of either group don't know what they are really supporting, else they would send their money elsewhere.
 

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I wonder what's worse...trespassing and doing very minimal damage to create awareness or letting a multi-million dollar corporation continue to use toxic and hazardous products to their employees and the world when there's perfectly viable alternatives...

hmmm...perspective check?
Awareness? I think they know what they're using, peoples awareness? You have to be a flipping retard to not know that computers are a very toxic and dirty item... There's a reason why Silicon Valley is home to 29 toxic superfund sites, just most of that has been shipped overseas now where pollution laws are quite lax, and it's not from call centers that had jobs shipped overseas.

Employees? OSHA more than likely keeps them in check as far as worker safety, it's not the military they can not opt-out of potential injury. And again, semiconductors are fucking nasty as all hell, I had a chance to work in a semi-conductor clean room during grad school and I flat out refused due to the chemicals and repercussions should I make a mistake. Hydrofluoric acid is scary stuff!

Viable alternatives? What pray tell? Cases made out of plastic, pvc is somehow evil? attack Home Depot, they move more PVC in a year than HP probably moved its entire life!

I agree with many of the things Greenpeace actually fights for, however I don't agree with their methods, I think we need to really fuck things up for people to open their eyes, not have some organization commit acts of vigilantism and actually. Dolphins in tuna *laugh* was "fixed" when the word came forward about what exactly was being done, not because some diesel chugging ship was ramming tuna fishing boats. While this itself is relatively minor, it still hammers home the idea that if you don't agree with something you should do everything you can inside or outside of the law to fix things.
 

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I thought the story was mildly intersting, but the posts on here made it all worthwile. All the talk of using whale blubber and spotted owls to clean it up. Eating baby seals then sending soul eating robots after people made me realize that there is still hope for society. Regardless I wanna know how they got in there and I hope they got me some ink cartridges for my printer so I won't have to take out a second mortgage.

OK continue with the shenanigans.
 

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I don't know where we'd be if not for Greenpeace. Thank God for their having put a stop to global pollution...
 

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Well, PETA is one thing which I'm opposed to their lunacy which they try to enforce on our lives. Such as they believe in exterminating all domesticated animals (which includes your dogs, cats, etc). Fuck them and I will not give up my best friends (my sweet dog & cat) to satisfy their ego. I take care of my own animals way better than had them been subjected to any kind of cruel nature out there.

Greenpeace on the other hand varies based on your views. I'm adamantly opposed to whaling which I believe should be illegal in every part of the world. The Japanese which I view as a good ally of the United States is stupid in this regard of whaling. Greenpeace brings good awareness on this type of issue

They've also given some good ideology to people like those on the Whale Wars show. I'm all for the guys that fights against the Japanese whalers because they're pretty much the only real enforcement in the world as commissions regarding whaling have no bite at all.

They're dumb on other issues like nuclear energy which is extremely reliable and safe which one of the former co-founders of Greenpeace (Patrick Moore) now thinks Nuclear Energy is okay while the organization doesn't. Especially like what they did on HP's roof because it only pisses people off even more. They should be focusing on recycling efforts on the hazardous materials from HP. Granted they had some what of a good intention but horrible deployment.
 

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You send people to jail as pedophiles for sending naked pictures of themselves yet you allow these terrorist scum to walk among free people?


Your country is fucked up.
 

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Hey guys, let's save the environment by committing crimes and turning everyone against environmental activists. Morons aren't thinking very clearly if they think this helps them. It actually hurts the cause because people begin to associate every environmentalist with eco-terrorism.
 

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You send people to jail as pedophiles for sending naked pictures of themselves yet you allow these terrorist scum to walk among free people?


Your country is fucked up.

I'm inclined to agree. :(
 

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I have to agree with the sentiment that, the first thing I thought of, after seeing this picture was that they should be arrested and taken to jail for trespassing and vandalism. I'm decidedly not a fan of Greenpeace or PETA, but that has nothing to do with how legal or illegal this stunt was. It has everything to do with the fact that every time I see them in the news, it's because they are doing something illegal or just plain stupid and/or annoying.
 

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This all could be solved if HP would just get some more black paint, and write

ARE AWESOME!

Just underneath that.
 

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Well, PETA is one thing which I'm opposed to their lunacy which they try to enforce on our lives. Such as they believe in exterminating all domesticated animals (which includes your dogs, cats, etc). Fuck them and I will not give up my best friends (my sweet dog & cat) to satisfy their ego. I take care of my own animals way better than had them been subjected to any kind of cruel nature out there.
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I am no PETA supporter, but I think you may be mistaken. PETA on Pets

Contrary to myth, PETA does not want to confiscate animals who are well cared for and "set them free." What we want is for the population of dogs and cats to be reduced through spaying and neutering and for people to adopt animals (preferably two so that they can keep each other company when their human companions aren't home) from pounds or shelters—never from pet shops or breeders—thereby reducing suffering in the world.

You may be getting at the part where they oppose Puppy mills and having a dog on a chain all day long with minimal interaction where they would probably be better off in the wild, but in general your statement is not quite right. Do you have any other information that supports your statement?
 

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Why do I think you generally don't like GP's political goals? If something similar was done on a building housing the RIAA or MPAA, you'd write a comment about how it was funny, how they deserved it and/or that it represented just how much people hate that group.

Given that basically used finger paint, there's a good chance that it'd wash off after a decent rain storm.

Given that it' on the roof, I'd say the impact is minimal. Unless you're in a plane, helicopter or balloon, nobody will see it. My guess is if GP hadn't publicized it, it would have been days before anyone noticed.
Ding ding. Watch out, though. You're going to upset all the [H]icks.
 

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Why do I think you generally don't like GP's political goals? If something similar was done on a building housing the RIAA or MPAA, you'd write a comment about how it was funny, how they deserved it and/or that it represented just how much people hate that group.

Given that basically used finger paint, there's a good chance that it'd wash off after a decent rain storm.

Given that it' on the roof, I'd say the impact is minimal. Unless you're in a plane, helicopter or balloon, nobody will see it. My guess is if GP hadn't publicized it, it would have been days before anyone noticed.

Next time I'll egg your car... don't worry, if it rains it will wash off....
 

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I am no PETA supporter, but I think you may be mistaken. PETA on Pets



You may be getting at the part where they oppose Puppy mills and having a dog on a chain all day long with minimal interaction where they would probably be better off in the wild, but in general your statement is not quite right. Do you have any other information that supports your statement?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL
You're wrong on that. They've killed thousands of animals on their own by claiming that they were taking them in and giving them up for adoption when they do jack shit. It's bullshit PR by them. All of the animals they've killed would have been placed with good people but they don't give a shit about that. They rake in the money and do fuck all. The money is better off going to the Humane Society, ASPCA, etc. Those fucking people are nuts through and through.
 

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Hmm... How's it like to support terrorists?
Explain the logic you used to come to the conclusion that I support terrorists. My post didn't even indicate that I support PETA or Greenpeace (which I don't) but you somehow came to that conclusion. Probably because you're an idiot.

nilepez is absolutely right on the methods. You're all bitching about vandalism, but none of you would be up in arms if it happened to the RIAA. You've got an issue with the group, not the method.
 
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