Google Forgets to Tell Consumers That Its Nest Security System Has a Built-in Mic

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Is doing something financially beneficial really evil? I mean the system rewards their behavior.

no. its not.
but lets not kid ourselves and think they're a bunch of angels shall we? i think its pretty clear to everyone that they have strayed way off the 'do no evil' mantra they used to go by in years past and have moved into the same pattern of behavior that all major corporations do which is protection of profit above all else.
 

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Thanks for your input. I fought and lost many fights, that's why I am leaving. Easy peasy indeed

Well, may not be easy-peasy,....just had to toss it in there. Yes, I have lost some of those battles and walked out as well. Won most of them though.
 

DocNo

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Those don’t work on my old ass furnace but the Nest does (and I can set schedules). I did not connect my Nest to wifi though. They send out updates that sometimes brick the nest.

Never had a problem with a Nest bricking. If you look at the threads in the support forums almost every single bricked Nest is from people who do NOT have a C wired therefore not steady power, but instead are relying on Nests hackney power stealing to charge the battery scheme that is sketchy AF.

Nest offers support for it so they should make sure they don't screw peoples shit up, but not having power is flat out stupid. Things like Add a Wire are inexpensive and trivial to install - no excuse to not have dedicated power active.

I don't care what kind of thermostat you have for your main thermostat, if you live where it routinely gets below freezing it's not a bad idea to wire an old school no frills thermostat in parallel to your main one as a fallback. My main furnace is in my basement so I just put one down there by it set to 50 degrees. Frozen pipes are no joke and even ones like the round Honeywell showed earlier in this thread can fail from sticking, literal bugs, etc. Stuff happens :)
 

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Never had a problem with a Nest bricking. If you look at the threads in the support forums almost every single bricked Nest is from people who do NOT have a C wired therefore not steady power, but instead are relying on Nests hackney power stealing to charge the battery scheme that is sketchy AF.

Nest offers support for it so they should make sure they don't screw peoples shit up, but not having power is flat out stupid. Things like Add a Wire are inexpensive and trivial to install - no excuse to not have dedicated power active.

I don't care what kind of thermostat you have for your main thermostat, if you live where it routinely gets below freezing it's not a bad idea to wire an old school no frills thermostat in parallel to your main one as a fallback. My main furnace is in my basement so I just put one down there by it set to 50 degrees. Frozen pipes are no joke and even ones like the round Honeywell showed earlier in this thread can fail from sticking, literal bugs, etc. Stuff happens :)

I wish I kept my old mercury one... the “no frills” actually have electronics in them and for some reason the honeywell I tried didn’t work.

It’s been documented and Nest admits to software updates bricking them. I just had one bricked last December (the same day as the update) and Nest support was actually really helpful and sent me a new one. I don’t need it on the network so I am just keeping this one off.
 

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I wish I kept my old mercury one... the “no frills” actually have electronics in them and for some reason the honeywell I tried didn’t work.

You just didn't look hard enough. I got a $14 Honeywell at Home Depot at the start of winter that has nothing but a bimetallic strip in it with a couple of adjustment screws. Simplicity itself for a backup. Meanwhile my Nest works just fine, thank you. Although if I were to replace them I would do so with Ecobe - I bought into the Nest auto learning a bit too much; it's never been worth a flip.
 

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You just didn't look hard enough. I got a $14 Honeywell at Home Depot at the start of winter that has nothing but a bimetallic strip in it with a couple of adjustment screws. Simplicity itself for a backup. Meanwhile my Nest works just fine, thank you. Although if I were to replace them I would do so with Ecobe - I bought into the Nest auto learning a bit too much; it's never been worth a flip.

That’s where I went and all they had was a $25 Honeywell that I wish only had a strip. Everything else was $80+.

That’s great your Nest works for you but it was a wide spread issue that they bricked them with updates. And it’s been more than once so it’s good you have a redundant system. I need to do that. It’s fine if I am home but if I am on vacation and it fails....
 
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