Google Fiber Uptake Low Among Poor

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In places that have highly concentrated social problems things are worse, and much worse at that, than they've ever been and getting worse. This is despite the fact that we pump hundreds of billions of dollars into our criminal justice system every year and incarcerate people more often and for longer periods of time. We are definitely not going in the right direction.
It would help if 40% of the people rotting in our federal prisons weren't political prisoners, and there for non-violent drug offenses. We've spent countless billions of dollars incarcerating recreational drug users, with either zero or something very close to zero effect on illicit drug usage rates.

The Controlled Substances Act was our federal government's response to the late 1960's, and it was one of the most ridiculous overreaches of federal power in the history of our country. Nowhere in our Constitution is authority given for the feds to dictate to the states and American people what kind of food and drugs we're allowed to have. As a result of this unchecked power the families and careers of millions of Americans have been ruined for absolutely nothing except to satiate reactionary politics and create a permanent underclass of unemployable citizens. Catastrophe #489 from Mr. Nixon.
 

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True enough, but now we're going to see the same five or so people come in here and start flinging poop at the walls :D
 

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who flung poo
not going to call anyone out because that will just make it worse, but there's already been some flung at people struggling to make ends meet. hopefully it doesn't get worse when the rest of the usual suspects show up in thread
 

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th poor cant show off their internet. they would rather stay poor and spend their money on "Stuff" they don't need in order to make themselves look not poor.

See this all time in the area where my wife works. Kids come to school with no coats, no lunch, no nothing and the school provides for them yet they drive up in a nice new car, they all have nice new iphones and nintendo DSes and all that kind of stuff. they blow their money on fast food and other crap.

so instead of trying to better their lives some other way, they'd rather stay poor and have their iphone6
 

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this is demonstrably false. There are numerous examples of the poor winning the lottery and ending up worse off than when they started. This could be selection bias, though.

Well the ones that won and made good decisions with their money aren't worth reporting
 

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I remember at my last job where I ran a real estate portfolio I got dragged to court to evict someone. The asshole had the nerve to say "I barely have enough money for my DSL". Hey asshole, pay your rent before you pay your DSL. Abraham Maslow, google him bitch.
 

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Perhaps, but becoming knowledgeable and learned is hardly the best way to get rich. A poor person who reads Hume and Russell will just become increasing disappointed and disgusted at his situation, made all the more worse by the knowledge that so many rich people are neither knowledgeable nor learned.


All true, but that person may go on to encounter Candide at some point, so don't give up on him. :D
 

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I remember at my last job where I ran a real estate portfolio I got dragged to court to evict someone. The asshole had the nerve to say "I barely have enough money for my DSL". Hey asshole, pay your rent before you pay your DSL. Abraham Maslow, google him bitch.


Most property managers take the gig for the free housing. The line between them and the evictees and unpaid contractors they deal with on a daily basis is only as solid as their boss' word. Remember that about them. ;)
 

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this is demonstrably false. There are numerous examples of the poor winning the lottery and ending up worse off than when they started. This could be selection bias, though.
Well that's easily explained. The type of people who buy lottery tickets are typically not the types that are responsible with their money.
 

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I think I'm going to have to agree with Google's spokesperson I just don't think a 1Gbps internet connection is a priority when you barely have enough money for the basics.

Ya but NIKES are right up there.
 

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I bet Google took this route to avoid activist playing the race card stating that Google discriminates against low income black communities and only target rich white communities.

So by post #2 it automatically becomes a discussion about race?
 

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Most property managers take the gig for the free housing. The line between them and the evictees and unpaid contractors they deal with on a daily basis is only as solid as their boss' word. Remember that about them. ;)

I don't know what you're trying to say... I was the CFO and the company was a $300m real estate investment partnership. I just had to testify to the judge that the guy didn't pay rent and then negotiate the terms of his lock out.

He actually was running a scam where he would move in and use the complacent LA County laws to jump from apartment to apartment spending 6 months at a time only paying 2 months (first and last) in rent. The judge gave him another month stay of lock out but he made a deal with us that if we seal the record of his malfeasance he would voluntarily give us back the keys. I just wanted to rent the apartment out so he's now someone else's problem. I feel bad for that future landlord.
 

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I expected some anti-poor douchebaggery in this comments section just looking at the title, and I wasn't disappointed. :D
 

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It took 4 posts before political bullshit was brought into this subject. You guys are slackin'
 

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I don't know what you're trying to say... .

What I was trying to say was, "Don't feel bad about losing that "CFO job" where you had to deal with apartment rent collections. Property management is a bottom-feeding industry that primarily attracts people who have no real skills yet are unwilling to do manual labor or touch things with their hands. It probably didn't pay much anyway."
 

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Zarathustra[H];1041160301 said:
I would never move anywhere without public water service and a public sewer system at ANY cost for ANY reason.

These are bare minimum public services to me.

I'd also refuse to move anywhere without at least one broadband provider at 25+ Mbps

I don't understand why people keep living in places like this. They are doing it to themselves!

I'm pretty sure you'd be the first person to die if a hypothetical zombie outbreak were to occur in your city of residence.

Some people actually like living away from stuck up assholes in the city.
 

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ITT: people that are not and have never been poor talking about what it's like to be poor.
 

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ITT: people that are not and have never been poor talking about what it's like to be poor.

Same goes for when race and gender comes up here as well. The best ones are when the inevitable "white males have it so hard" statements come out.
 

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If you earn the money yourself, then I don't care what you spend it on. However if you are getting handouts from the taxpayers, then the taxpayers have every right to demand that it be spent responsibly.

ding-ding-ding.

Fiber? I had 52k modem up to 5 years ago.
 

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BTW I know what its like to grow up dirt poor, those on welfare now have luxury's I could only dream of as a kid.

No phone, B&W TV with rabbit ears, freezing house in the winter, no a/c, food stamps, hand me down clothes and mac & cheese or rice-o-roni 7 days a week.

Cry me a damn river about internet speeds.
 

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I am not going to say I was ever poor but I certainly have experienced know low heat in the winter (pipes freezing / having to wear a jacket indoors) and for a brief time food stamps.
 

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Zarathustra[H];1041160301 said:
I would never move anywhere without public water service and a public sewer system at ANY cost for ANY reason.

These are bare minimum public services to me.

I'd also refuse to move anywhere without at least one broadband provider at 25+ Mbps

I don't understand why people keep living in places like this. They are doing it to themselves!

Not everyone who has a well and a leach field/mound system are backwoods bumpkins. I've got a well and a mound system where I live (no city water or sewage in my part of the town) and we have 30+Mbps cable internet as an option.

And FWIW, city water is absolutely horrible in every instance that I've tried it. It's always saturated with chlorine and other sanitizing chemicals. Well water is so much better to drink.
 

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What I was trying to say was, "Don't feel bad about losing that "CFO job" where you had to deal with apartment rent collections. Property management is a bottom-feeding industry that primarily attracts people who have no real skills yet are unwilling to do manual labor or touch things with their hands. It probably didn't pay much anyway."

So you are mad that someone else is making money off of your bad life choices? That's what it sounds like. Property management is a vital cog in the rental industry.
 

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Not everyone who has a well and a leach field/mound system are backwoods bumpkins.

I choose to live in an area that had no town sewer or water, a friend of mine popped $150,000 large for a condo at the peak of the market years ago and got a $23,000 surprise the following year when the town charged him for the privilege of hooking up his abode to the new town sewer line.

Expensive lesson for him.
 

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Well water is so much better to drink.
It really depends upon where you are located, my in laws who have a farm for instance do not have very good well water. Fine for watering crops but horrible for drinking due to all the crap that other farmers have been using (they are organic, other farmers not so much), once they lived within a mile of a large cattle farm... I didn't even want to brush my teeth with that water :D
 

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Oh yeah, the actual article. 10:1 says the reason there's low hookup for the poor is because they're poor and don't understand finances beyond the initial purchase, and/or they have a cell phone that gets internet so they're happy enough with that.
 

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I choose to live in an area that had no town sewer or water, a friend of mine popped $150,000 large for a condo at the peak of the market years ago and got a $23,000 surprise the following year when the town charged him for the privilege of hooking up his abode to the new town sewer line.

Expensive lesson for him.

The problem if I recall correctly is it was one of those town center type homes. The problem is normally based on silly things like zoning. There was a recent area which basically they decided that only 75 users should pay for the entire new sewer plant versus the town at large. Why because they were in a new zone in which the plant was built for and a majority of homes decided to put in tanks versus being hooked up.
 

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I'm pretty sure you'd be the first person to die if a hypothetical zombie outbreak were to occur in your city of residence.

Some people actually like living away from stuck up assholes in the city.

Everyone has their own preferences. If people like living in the boonies, they should!

Personally, I am a well established indoorsman. I try to avoid sun exposure at any cost, hate the beach, I go out to restaurants and bars at night in the city, and when I work out it is indoors in my gym. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to go on a camping trip.

I spent enough time as a scout as a kid that I could survive for a short period of time in the event of a Katrina-like disaster, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

While the concept of zombies is kind of retarded (though it makes for great fiction) in the case of a real, civilization ending catastrophe resulting in needing survival skills for the rest of your life, I'm honestly not sure I'd WANT to survive.

Everything I value about life is tied up in the virtues of civil society, technology and urban life. Without it I'd have nothing to live for.

Everyone's definition of "stuck up" is different. Usually people find me a rather down-to-earth kind of guy. I definitely don't have a silver spoon up my butt. While my income is well above average, I also live in a high cost of living market. At work, I with my 4 year engineering degree am one of the least accomplished in an environment of multiple masters degrees and PhD's. I rent my home and drive a 6 year old Volvo with 85k miles I bought only last year.

That being said, there are certain things I value, which certain people may consider stuck up (though I'd think they are wrong), and they very heavily influence where I would choose to live.

Some of those are:
  • I prefer intellectual pursuits over anything physical. I highly value education, and usually don't get along with people who don't have a 4 year degree.
  • Similarly, the military is not my thing, and I usually just don't get along with those who have military experience.
  • I generally have no interest in sports at all. I absolutely hate contact sports, including football, and feel any sports involving fighting (boxing, UFC, etc.) ought to be illegal. I also feel institutions of academic learning should be banned from associating with sports teams. The very concept of college sports just makes me cringe. Sports are a hobby, that should not be conflated with education.
  • To me data, evidence and scientific discovery ALWAYS trumps beliefs, values and gut feelings.
  • To me, finesse and doing more with less will ALWAYS trump brute force. I look down on all things that are wasteful, including trucks, SUV's and muscle cars.
  • I believe in civil liberties above all, and where those conflict with other considerations (security, economic prosperity, peoples traditional values), I feel civil liberties should always win, as they are the basis of our freedom. This is the true meaning of freedom not being free.
  • I could not be more against the personal ownership of firearms or other weaponry.
  • To me, motorcycles are stupidity, and just asking to be an organ donor.
  • The needs of the many trump the needs of the few.
  • I don't believe in conspiracy theories, horoscopes, zodiac signs, ghosts, spirits, reincarnation, an afterlife, god, jesus, Santa, the easter bunny or the tooth fairy.
  • Despite the above, I was raised as a christian, and feel the gospels in the new testament illustrate a good way to live your life and make the world a better place, including humility, loving thy neighbor and turning the other cheek. The old testament and non-gospel parts of the bible I find abhorrent at times.

Anyway, I could go on. This is how I feel about the world, and I choose to live among like minded people.

Boston isn't perfect, but thus far it's the best I've found. There's just something about the energy of living in an intellectual bubble within an intellectual bubble, full of multiculturalism that makes life worth living.

To each their own.
 

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Zarathustra[H];1041162626 said:
I look down on all things that are wasteful, including trucks, SUV's and muscle cars.

To each their own.

So states the individual with the following in their signature line;

Desktop: Silverstone RV03 Case, Intel Core i7-3930K@5.0Ghz, MainGear EPIC 180 cooler, ASUS P9X79 WS, 32GB DDR3-2000, 256GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD, Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD, Geforce GTX TITAN + GTX460 768MB (PhysX), PLP Triple head setup 1 Dell U3011, 2 Dell 2007FP

Laptop: HP EliteBook Folio 9470m, Core i5-3427U, 8GB Ram

HTPC1: Silverstone SG06, AMD A10-7850K, 8GB DDR3-1600, 128GB OCZ Agility2, Corsair H80i, 60" Panasonic TC-60PU54 Plasma

HTPC2: AMD E350, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 630 GT
Server: Dual Xeon L5640 (12cores, 24 threads), SuperMicro X8DTE, 96GB Registered DDR3-1333, 12 Drive RAIDz2 with 2 vdev's, running pfSense, FreeNAS, Ubuntu and Mythbuntu backend.

Lot of electric use there, seems somewhat wasteful.
 

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So states the individual with the following in their signature line;

Desktop: Silverstone RV03 Case, Intel Core i7-3930K@5.0Ghz, MainGear EPIC 180 cooler, ASUS P9X79 WS, 32GB DDR3-2000, 256GB OCZ Vertex 4 SSD, Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD, Geforce GTX TITAN + GTX460 768MB (PhysX), PLP Triple head setup 1 Dell U3011, 2 Dell 2007FP

Laptop: HP EliteBook Folio 9470m, Core i5-3427U, 8GB Ram

HTPC1: Silverstone SG06, AMD A10-7850K, 8GB DDR3-1600, 128GB OCZ Agility2, Corsair H80i, 60" Panasonic TC-60PU54 Plasma

HTPC2: AMD E350, 8 GB RAM, GeForce 630 GT
Server: Dual Xeon L5640 (12cores, 24 threads), SuperMicro X8DTE, 96GB Registered DDR3-1333, 12 Drive RAIDz2 with 2 vdev's, running pfSense, FreeNAS, Ubuntu and Mythbuntu backend.

Lot of electric use there, seems somewhat wasteful.

My electric bill is about $60 per month on average. A little lower in the winter, a little higher in the summer. How much is yours? :p
 

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Zarathustra[H];1041162743 said:
My electric bill is about $60 per month on average. A little lower in the winter, a little higher in the summer. How much is yours? :p

I find it ironic someone with four computers whining about other peoples hobbies.

Glass houses and all that.
 

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The "on welfare but still have the latest $120 Puma's" crowd is in actuality a tiny tiny minority of the poor.[/QUOTE]

You should visit Port Orchard, WA.
 

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Zarathustra[H];1041162626 said:
Some of those are:
  • I prefer intellectual pursuits over anything physical. I highly value education, and usually don't get along with people who don't have a 4 year degree.
  • Similarly, the military is not my thing, and I usually just don't get along with those who have military experience.
  • I generally have no interest in sports at all. I absolutely hate contact sports, including football, and feel any sports involving fighting (boxing, UFC, etc.) ought to be illegal. I also feel institutions of academic learning should be banned from associating with sports teams. The very concept of college sports just makes me cringe. Sports are a hobby, that should not be conflated with education.
  • To me data, evidence and scientific discovery ALWAYS trumps beliefs, values and gut feelings.
  • To me, finesse and doing more with less will ALWAYS trump brute force. I look down on all things that are wasteful, including trucks, SUV's and muscle cars.
  • I believe in civil liberties above all, and where those conflict with other considerations (security, economic prosperity, peoples traditional values), I feel civil liberties should always win, as they are the basis of our freedom. This is the true meaning of freedom not being free.
  • I could not be more against the personal ownership of firearms or other weaponry.
  • To me, motorcycles are stupidity, and just asking to be an organ donor.
  • The needs of the many trump the needs of the few.
  • I don't believe in conspiracy theories, horoscopes, zodiac signs, ghosts, spirits, reincarnation, an afterlife, god, jesus, Santa, the easter bunny or the tooth fairy.
  • Despite the above, I was raised as a christian, and feel the gospels in the new testament illustrate a good way to live your life and make the world a better place, including humility, loving thy neighbor and turning the other cheek. The old testament and non-gospel parts of the bible I find abhorrent at times.

Man that's a lot of stuff to not like about you, plus you're a massive hypocrite. You want to ban contact sports, muscle cars, motorcycles, and guns but you believe strongly in civil liberties.
 

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Zarathustra[H];1041162626 said:
Everyone has their own preferences. If people like living in the boonies, they should!

Personally, I am a well established indoorsman. I try to avoid sun exposure at any cost, hate the beach, I go out to restaurants and bars at night in the city, and when I work out it is indoors in my gym. You couldn't pay me a million dollars to go on a camping trip.

I spent enough time as a scout as a kid that I could survive for a short period of time in the event of a Katrina-like disaster, but I wouldn't be happy about it.

While the concept of zombies is kind of retarded (though it makes for great fiction) in the case of a real, civilization ending catastrophe resulting in needing survival skills for the rest of your life, I'm honestly not sure I'd WANT to survive.

Everything I value about life is tied up in the virtues of civil society, technology and urban life. Without it I'd have nothing to live for.

Everyone's definition of "stuck up" is different. Usually people find me a rather down-to-earth kind of guy. I definitely don't have a silver spoon up my butt. While my income is well above average, I also live in a high cost of living market. At work, I with my 4 year engineering degree am one of the least accomplished in an environment of multiple masters degrees and PhD's. I rent my home and drive a 6 year old Volvo with 85k miles I bought only last year.

That being said, there are certain things I value, which certain people may consider stuck up (though I'd think they are wrong), and they very heavily influence where I would choose to live.

Some of those are:
  • I prefer intellectual pursuits over anything physical. I highly value education, and usually don't get along with people who don't have a 4 year degree.
  • Similarly, the military is not my thing, and I usually just don't get along with those who have military experience.
  • I generally have no interest in sports at all. I absolutely hate contact sports, including football, and feel any sports involving fighting (boxing, UFC, etc.) ought to be illegal. I also feel institutions of academic learning should be banned from associating with sports teams. The very concept of college sports just makes me cringe. Sports are a hobby, that should not be conflated with education.
  • To me data, evidence and scientific discovery ALWAYS trumps beliefs, values and gut feelings.
  • To me, finesse and doing more with less will ALWAYS trump brute force. I look down on all things that are wasteful, including trucks, SUV's and muscle cars.
  • I believe in civil liberties above all, and where those conflict with other considerations (security, economic prosperity, peoples traditional values), I feel civil liberties should always win, as they are the basis of our freedom. This is the true meaning of freedom not being free.
  • I could not be more against the personal ownership of firearms or other weaponry.
  • To me, motorcycles are stupidity, and just asking to be an organ donor.
  • The needs of the many trump the needs of the few.
  • I don't believe in conspiracy theories, horoscopes, zodiac signs, ghosts, spirits, reincarnation, an afterlife, god, jesus, Santa, the easter bunny or the tooth fairy.
  • Despite the above, I was raised as a christian, and feel the gospels in the new testament illustrate a good way to live your life and make the world a better place, including humility, loving thy neighbor and turning the other cheek. The old testament and non-gospel parts of the bible I find abhorrent at times.

Anyway, I could go on. This is how I feel about the world, and I choose to live among like minded people.

Boston isn't perfect, but thus far it's the best I've found. There's just something about the energy of living in an intellectual bubble within an intellectual bubble, full of multiculturalism that makes life worth living.

To each their own.

As was stated earlier, you're a big hypocrite. I'm not sure it was possible for my eyes to roll any further to the back of my head after reading that. But, like you said...to each is own.
 

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Man that's a lot of stuff to not like about you, plus you're a massive hypocrite. You want to ban contact sports, muscle cars, motorcycles, and guns but you believe strongly in civil liberties.

Civil liberties and a libertarian world view are not the same thing.

Civil liberties are personal guarantees and freedoms that the government cannot abridge, either by law or by judicial interpretation. Though the scope of the term differs amongst various countries, some examples of civil liberties include the freedom from torture and death, the right to liberty and security, freedom of conscience, freedom of press, freedom of religion, freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, freedom of speech, the right to privacy, the right to equal treatment and due process and the right to a fair trial and the right to life.

There is no link what so ever between wanting to limit things that cause actual damage to society, and believing that people should have a fair trial, and to express themselves.

It's kind of a disgrace that we funnel kids into sports that are not only damaging to their health, but also foster more aggressiveness and an "us vs. them" mentality, like contact sports do.
 
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