GN: RDNA3 explained in detail.

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RDNA3 looks to dominate Nv's 4000 series on price/performance but there are a few big undecideds.
How big of an impact will RT hold this gen? AMD has improved but still a ways behind and if the buying public says a big price bump is justified for better RT then it is moot.
Can AMD even produce enough cards to make a market denting impact even if they are the price/performance king. If so then they could mostly be gobbled up by scalpers?
The 4090 is such a beast but in being so is very unapproachable to the masses. Super enthusiast PC master racists gobbled them up and will continue to do so. It was a lot to push for a halo product.
 

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RDNA3 looks to dominate Nv's 4000 series on price/performance but there are a few big undecideds.
How big of an impact will RT hold this gen? AMD has improved but still a ways behind and if the buying public says a big price bump is justified for better RT then it is moot.
Can AMD even produce enough cards to make a market denting impact even if they are the price/performance king. If so then they could mostly be gobbled up by scalpers?
The 4090 is such a beast but in being so is very unapproachable to the masses. Super enthusiast PC master racists gobbled them up and will continue to do so. It was a lot to push for a halo product.
That's to be determined on how RDNA 3 will perform in reality due to the chiplet design. My guess is it will excel in some games, others will see mediocre performance improvements (I suppose why AMD has such a large range of improvement in their slides).

We really need the old [H] back to do actual in-game testing as I don't think averages and lowest percentile bar charts i.e. what every reviewer does nowadays, will tell the whole story.

And I don't really see the 4090 (and certainly not the 4080) being "gobbled up". It's weeks after launch and they are still readily available most places. Way too expensive for people's blood, regardless of the performance uplift.
 
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And I don't really see the 4090 (and certainly not the 4080) being "gobbled up". It's weeks after launch and they are still readily available most places. Way too expensive for people's blood, regardless of the performance uplift.

If you can find a 4090 so easy get me one, I've been watching stock trackers and checking sites for a month straight and haven't even seen one in stock that wasn't 2-3x MSRP.
 

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If you can find a 4090 so easy get me one, I've been watching stock trackers and checking sites for a month straight and haven't even seen one in stock that wasn't 2-3x MSRP.
Nearly every vendor here in the UK and EU have both the 4090 and 4080 in stock and not far off MSRP. It's just no one wants them here due to the cost (and better things to spend money on).
 

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Nearly every vendor here in the UK and EU have both the 4090 and 4080 in stock and not far off MSRP. It's just no one wants them here due to the cost (and better things to spend money on).

I wish I could find one. I've had one on backorder for 3 weeks or so but they don't know when they'll get more, and if they come into stock anywhere else they're sold out in about 60 seconds, most of the time you can't even get them in your cart.
 

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Nearly every vendor here in the UK and EU have both the 4090 and 4080 in stock and not far off MSRP. It's just no one wants them here due to the cost (and better things to spend money on).
Here in the Netherlands they are either not in stock, or are priced how scalpers would by the stores themselves.
 
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I wish I could find one. I've had one on backorder for 3 weeks or so but they don't know when they'll get more, and if they come into stock anywhere else they're sold out in about 60 seconds, most of the time you can't even get them in your cart.
From what I saw most cards haven't been restocked since October. That did not include MC inventory but I'm sure they aren't getting many either.
 

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From what I saw most cards haven't been restocked since October. That did not include MC inventory but I'm sure they aren't getting many either.
And they won't be restocked until January from my understanding. nV and AIBs put the entirety of their initial stock in the channel so they could move as many cards as possible before they need to lower prices next year and/or recession kicks in full force and the market regresses.
 
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NVIDIA copycatting chiplets in 3,2,1...
Just as much as AMD is, of course. For those unaware, AMD did not invent chiplets, let alone MCM.

I present to you the IBM z10:

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IBM released this thing back in 2008, before AMD face planted hard with bulldozer. :LOL:
 

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If you can find a 4090 so easy get me one, I've been watching stock trackers and checking sites for a month straight and haven't even seen one in stock that wasn't 2-3x MSRP.
I was just in a store which was getting some of them in today - probably not in your country, though. The poster just before you said what I thought - ppl will pass on it based on the high price. The rich ppl will buy it, regardless of what it's priced at. He's correct, imho.
 

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I was just in a store which was getting some of them in today - probably not in your country, though. The poster just before you said what I thought - ppl will pass on it based on the high price. The rich ppl will buy it, regardless of what it's priced at. He's correct, imho.

Yeah from what I understand the US has not gotten any new 4090 stock since mid october.
 

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AMD diD NoT InVeNt cHipLeTs, LeT aLoNe McM.
The only key difference from chiplets to MCMs to today is cost reduction... AMD pull it out by implementing their own design and tech. also, Pentium Pro was really the first "consumer level" MCM "processor+cache"...
 
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So you're just going to reiterate what I said. AMD themselves were copycatting, and if you are okay with that, you should be okay with Nvidia doing it, and your post doesn't give that impression.

Also, this isn't reddit, I would appreciate if you don't quote me the way you edited it.
 
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The only key difference from chiplets to MCMs to today is cost reduction... AMD pull it out by implementing their own design and tech. also, Pentium Pro was really the first "consumer level" MCM "processor+cache"...
AMD has done a lot of catching up but they still have a lot ore catching up to do.. they are extremely more competitive now.. I remember having the 4870x2 that was my last radeon card.

Hey samiiross I had PMed you regarding the nucix7 and your thoughts did you get my pm ? It seems your the only one on here that has one...
 

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Just as much as AMD is, of course. For those unaware, AMD did not invent chiplets, let alone MCM.

I present to you the IBM z10:

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IBM released this thing back in 2008, before AMD face planted hard with bulldozer. :LOL:

Being first at something really doesn't matter, unless it's a widely sold and successful product. IBM did quite a few firsts but not all of them did them any good. IBM used to have some of the best engineers though.
 

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Now that wafer costs are going through the roof, somebody is going to implement my idea of making chips/chiplets hexagonal, since it is the most efficient area/volume form outside of curves
 
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