GIGABYTE AORUS FV43U 43 inch 4k 144 HDR1000 QLED monitor

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Same panel as the ASUS XG43UQ, I'd bet. No mention of FALD on either monitor, which means you should probably continue waiting for the 42" OLED. At that price for a PC monitor I highly doubt it has a FALD backlight.
 

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LG Display (the panel manufacturer, not the tv manufacturer) said in Jan that they are planning to start producing 42 inch OLED panel from H2 this year. Not sure who is going to make a TV out of it yet.
 

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Not to start a flame war but when will people realize that OLED is a dead end technology. After all these many years, it still cannot overcome 2 of it's major weakness.

1) Image retention is still a problem despite all the varies attempt to reduce it's impact (pixel shifting and such). But in a PC monitor and console gaming environment when you always have static windows or game UI in the same position, Burn in is going to be a major concern.

2) Brightness, even the latest CX cannot break 1000 nits. At the time when media are regularly using 1000+ nits. Dynamic image adjustments tech like Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ does help but they're still more of a cheat when you compare it to QLED that routinely hit above 1500 nit with some units hitting over 2000 nits.

Now lets talk about it's only advantage. True black. While True black was great when compared to fix brightness fluorescent edge lit backlight back in the days when black on a LCD mostly just means some shade of grey. Today's LCD TV with fully adjustable LED backlight and newer panel technologies can get a lot closer to True black. Especially those with a FALD. About the only time you can tell the difference is in a totally dark room or when blooming is a factor but usually you need a static or a very slow motion to make them really noticeable (end credits is a prime example) and the more zone they have, the less noticeable it is. With the introduction of Mini LED, we'll looking at 1000s of zone vs todays' low hundreds of zones on a high end TV and when Micro LED (pixel by pixel) reach consumer pricing level (give it 3-5 years). The day of OLED will finally be over.

If you're considering a CX48. I would point you to the new Samsung QN90A which will be available at 50" w/mini LED backlight and should hit above 1500 nits easy.
 

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Not to start a flame war but when will people realize that OLED is a dead end technology. After all these many years, it still cannot overcome 2 of it's major weakness.

1) Image retention is still a problem despite all the varies attempt to reduce it's impact (pixel shifting and such). But in a PC monitor and console gaming environment when you always have static windows or game UI in the same position, Burn in is going to be a major concern.

2) Brightness, even the latest CX cannot break 1000 nits. At the time when media are regularly using 1000+ nits. Dynamic image adjustments tech like Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ does help but they're still more of a cheat when you compare it to QLED that routinely hit above 1500 nit with some units hitting over 2000 nits.

Now lets talk about it's only advantage. True black. While True black was great when compared to fix brightness fluorescent edge lit backlight back in the days when black on a LCD mostly just means some shade of grey. Today's LCD TV with fully adjustable LED backlight and newer panel technologies can get a lot closer to True black. Especially those with a FALD. About the only time you can tell the difference is in a totally dark room or when blooming is a factor but usually you need a static or a very slow motion to make them really noticeable (end credits is a prime example) and the more zone they have, the less noticeable it is. With the introduction of Mini LED, we'll looking at 1000s of zone vs todays' low hundreds of zones on a high end TV and when Micro LED (pixel by pixel) reach consumer pricing level (give it 3-5 years). The day of OLED will finally be over.

If you're considering a CX48. I would point you to the new Samsung QN90A which will be available at 50" w/mini LED and should hit above 1500 nits easy.
I don't care about not brightness and crap. I have a c9 and in a very dark room and the picture blows away anything else I seen. Those inky blacks really do make the difference. blooming and halo effect annoys the shit out me with LCDs. I got nearly 3000 hours and haven't seen any kind of image retention. By the time it becomes a factor it will more then likely be time to upgrade anyway.
 

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I don't care about not brightness and crap. I have a c9 and in a very dark room and the picture blows away anything else I seen. Those inky blacks really do make the difference. blooming and halo effect annoys the shit out me with LCDs. I got nearly 3000 hours and haven't seen any kind of image retention. By the time it becomes a factor it will more then likely be time to upgrade anyway.
But what everything else have you seen? Have you used any of the newer high end QLED? Are you watching any HDR 4K contents where you feel like you need to go grab your sunglasses when looking at a bright sunny sky? if not, you can stay in the dark age.
 

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Not to start a flame war but when will people realize that OLED is a dead end technology. After all these many years, it still cannot overcome 2 of it's major weakness.

1) Image retention is still a problem despite all the varies attempt to reduce it's impact (pixel shifting and such). But in a PC monitor and console gaming environment when you always have static windows or game UI in the same position, Burn in is going to be a major concern.

2) Brightness, even the latest CX cannot break 1000 nits. At the time when media are regularly using 1000+ nits. Dynamic image adjustments tech like Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ does help but they're still more of a cheat when you compare it to QLED that routinely hit above 1500 nit with some units hitting over 2000 nits.

Now lets talk about it's only advantage. True black. While True black was great when compared to fix brightness fluorescent edge lit backlight back in the days when black on a LCD mostly just means some shade of grey. Today's LCD TV with fully adjustable LED backlight and newer panel technologies can get a lot closer to True black. Especially those with a FALD. About the only time you can tell the difference is in a totally dark room or when blooming is a factor but usually you need a static or a very slow motion to make them really noticeable (end credits is a prime example) and the more zone they have, the less noticeable it is. With the introduction of Mini LED, we'll looking at 1000s of zone vs todays' low hundreds of zones on a high end TV and when Micro LED (pixel by pixel) reach consumer pricing level (give it 3-5 years). The day of OLED will finally be over.

If you're considering a CX48. I would point you to the new Samsung QN90A which will be available at 50" w/mini LED backlight and should hit above 1500 nits easy.
1. The picture quality, contrast, and per-pixel illumination overcomes the 600 nit limitation on my C8 when compared to my PG27UQ that can hit 1000 nits.

2. My C8 is primarily used for console gaming and I have had sessions lasting 5 hours or more. After 3 years there is no sign of burn-in or retention.

The QN90A only has 576 dimming zones. That is 4 times the area per zone compared to my PG27UQ. The mini-LED array does help with contrast while the FALD is on, but blooming can still be an issue especially at the upper nit range. Being a VA panel it also will still have issues with black crush, color saturation, and viewing angles.
 

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But what everything else have you seen? Have you used any of the newer high end QLED? Are you watching any HDR 4K contents where you feel like you need to go grab your sunglasses when looking at a bright sunny sky? if not, you can stay in the dark age.
Dark ages wut? I don't need a tv to melt my eye balls while watching. Obviously you never seen a OLED if you are call it dark age.
 

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Not to start a flame war but when will people realize that OLED is a dead end technology. After all these many years, it still cannot overcome 2 of it's major weakness.

1) Image retention is still a problem despite all the varies attempt to reduce it's impact (pixel shifting and such). But in a PC monitor and console gaming environment when you always have static windows or game UI in the same position, Burn in is going to be a major concern.

2) Brightness, even the latest CX cannot break 1000 nits. At the time when media are regularly using 1000+ nits. Dynamic image adjustments tech like Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ does help but they're still more of a cheat when you compare it to QLED that routinely hit above 1500 nit with some units hitting over 2000 nits.

Now lets talk about it's only advantage. True black. While True black was great when compared to fix brightness fluorescent edge lit backlight back in the days when black on a LCD mostly just means some shade of grey. Today's LCD TV with fully adjustable LED backlight and newer panel technologies can get a lot closer to True black. Especially those with a FALD. About the only time you can tell the difference is in a totally dark room or when blooming is a factor but usually you need a static or a very slow motion to make them really noticeable (end credits is a prime example) and the more zone they have, the less noticeable it is. With the introduction of Mini LED, we'll looking at 1000s of zone vs todays' low hundreds of zones on a high end TV and when Micro LED (pixel by pixel) reach consumer pricing level (give it 3-5 years). The day of OLED will finally be over.

If you're considering a CX48. I would point you to the new Samsung QN90A which will be available at 50" w/mini LED backlight and should hit above 1500 nits easy.


You are kidding yourself if you think MicroLED will be at consumer level pricing in 3-5 years. Try 10-15. We are all waiting for MicroLED, some of would rather wait with OLED in the mean time.

 

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Dark ages wut? I don't need a tv to melt my eye balls while watching. Obviously you never seen a OLED if you are call it dark age.
Does going outside on a sunny day melt your eyeballs? Can you watch your OLED in a brightly lit room? At least I don't have to turn my living room into a dark room to enjoy my TV during daytime.
 
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You are kidding yourself if you think MicroLED will be at consumer level pricing in 3-5 years. Try 10-15. We are all waiting for MicroLED, some of would rather wait with OLED in the mean time.


That only proves that even LG know that they have reach the end of the road with OLED and start working on the next thing. As to pricing, I came from using $3000 projection TV in the late 70s when a 2500 sq ft house went for $90000 in the heart of silicon valley so I guess consumer pricing may means different thing to you and me.
 

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That only proves that even LG know that they have reach the end of the road with OLED and start working on the next thing. As to pricing, I came from using $3000 projection TV in the late 70s when a 2500 sq ft house went for $90000 in the heart of silicon valley so I guess consumer pricing may means different thing to you and me.

You've yet to address the other problem, one that even OLED owners atm have issue with and that is SIZE. JOLED is already making monitor sized OLED's for actual monitors and everyone will actually be able to buy them in the coming years. When will I be able to buy a 32" MicroLED monitor and not some giant 55"+ TV?
 

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Anyways back to the FV43U. Any reviews of this thing? I know that is a big ask, as this thing just got released in only one country.

Really great to see this released, can't wait to see the comparisons between this and LG's 43" /48" OLED.
FINALLY we are starting to get 43" 16:9 options!
 

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You've yet to address the other problem, one that even OLED owners atm have issue with and that is SIZE. JOLED is already making monitor sized OLED's for actual monitors and everyone will actually be able to buy them in the coming years. When will I be able to buy a 32" MicroLED monitor and not some giant 55"+ TV?

Anyways back to the FV43U. Any reviews of this thing? I know that is a big ask, as this thing just got released in only one country.

Really great to see this released, can't wait to see the comparisons between this and LG's 43" /48" OLED.
FINALLY we are starting to get 43" 16:9 options!

I use the CG437K at home and have a 43" Vizio M at the office. I really do not see the black crush that some people talked about on day to day use. I guess it also depends on what kind of games/media you play. I'm older so I don't play a lot of action games. The most action oriented games I'm currently playing are Armored Warfare, Mech Warrior 5, Project Wingman and FFVIX and none of them really push the black. There's some light bleed on the edges on both if you have a dark scene. I'm pretty happy with both but may end up upgrading the office one to one of this or the ASUS PG43UQ once I start spending more time in the office again or I may end up getting a 50" QN90A as the price are very close (just need to see if I can rearrange things to use a 50").
 

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You've yet to address the other problem, one that even OLED owners atm have issue with and that is SIZE. JOLED is already making monitor sized OLED's for actual monitors and everyone will actually be able to buy them in the coming years. When will I be able to buy a 32" MicroLED monitor and not some giant 55"+ TV?

I'm currently perfectly happy with my CG437K and at my age, I'll only goes to a larger one in the future so I'll probably be happy with a mini LED as my next. Also, Samsung already announcement Micro LED ranging from 78" to 110" for this year or early next. I'm sure I can live with mini-LED till they they produce one in the size I want.
 

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I'm currently perfectly happy with my CG437K and at my age, I'll only goes to a larger one in the future so I'll probably be happy with a mini LED as my next. Also, Samsung already announcement Micro LED ranging from 78" to 110" for this year or early next. I'm sure I can live with mini-LED till they they produce one in the size I want.

You didn't even answer the question at all. I asked about monitor sized MicroLED and instead you tell me that you are happy with a CG437K LUL. But that's fine I already know the answer anyways. MicroLED will remain a pipe dream at least for this decade when it comes to monitor sizes. Maybe in the 2030s it will be a reality.
 

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That only proves that even LG know that they have reach the end of the road with OLED and start working on the next thing. As to pricing, I came from using $3000 projection TV in the late 70s when a 2500 sq ft house went for $90000 in the heart of silicon valley so I guess consumer pricing may means different thing to you and me.
Micro LED is likely not the next thing, or even a mass market thing, as the production is much more like silicon wafer lithography (insanely expensive) and less like "printing." The next thing is probably QNED. Electrically conducted self-emissive quantum dots. Looks like it can be produced more traditionally.

And not LG's QNED branding. That's just confusing and dubious.
 

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True blacks are not an OLED's only advantage. Viewing angles and pixel response are huge benefits that are overlooked.

A 43" VA's edges lose contrast when sitting dead center due to it's poor viewing angles + it's literally 10-20x slower depending on transition.

If I could show you the difference between a CG437K and CX while panning the camera in game you'd understand. IMO the CG437K is unusable in that regard.
 

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True blacks are not an OLED's only advantage. Viewing angles and pixel response are huge benefits that are overlooked.

A 43" VA's edges lose contrast when sitting dead center due to it's poor viewing angles + it's literally 10-20x slower depending on transition.

If I could show you the difference between a CG437K and CX while panning the camera in game you'd understand. IMO the CG437K is unusable in that regard.

Like viewing angle really matters on a PC monitor? And VA viewing angle have improved a lot in the last few years. My 65" KS9500 4 years back requires a curved screen but my new 75" Q90T is flat and have great viewing angle. As I said, the CG437K works perfectly with all the games I play. It's not that I have not used an OLED, I had a 55" C8 in the family room which I gladly replaced with the KS9500 ( (which is a older unit and not for the size difference but for a better viewing experience during daytime) when I got the Q90T for the living room.
 

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You didn't even answer the question at all. I asked about monitor sized MicroLED and instead you tell me that you are happy with a CG437K LUL. But that's fine I already know the answer anyways. MicroLED will remain a pipe dream at least for this decade when it comes to monitor sizes. Maybe in the 2030s it will be a reality.

What is "Monitor" Size? Seems people are perfectly happy using a 48" CX as a monitor. With Micro-LED launching with a 78" model this year. I don't think it will take till 2030 for a 49" unit to appear. I'll say by 2024 model year if not sooner (the next Samsung 49" superwide?) . Also, if you're talking about smaller panels, the following mini-LED HDR1000+ monitor (most will offer 1152 zones) will be release this year. over 1000 zones in a monitor that size, do you really need MicroLED?

ASUS PG32UQX : 32" IPS 4K 144Hz, Rec.2020 89.5%, HDR1400, Gsync Ultimate, MiniLED 1152 zones, DSC
ACER X32 : 32" IPS 4K 144Hz, Rec.2020 89.5%, HDR1400, Gsync Ultimate, MiniLED 1152 zones, DSC
Viewsonic XG321UG : 32" IPS 4K 144Hz, Rec.2020 89.5%, HDR1400, Gsync Ultimate, MiniLED 1152 zones, DSC
ASUS PG27UQX : 27” IPS 4K 144Hz, DCI-P3 97%, HDR1000, Gsync Ultimate, MiniLED 576 zones
ASUS PA32UCG : 32” IPS 4K 120Hz, DCI-P3 97%, HDR1600, Dolby Vision, Freesync, MiniLED 1152 zones, OCO, HDMI 2.1
ASUS PA32UCX-P
: 32” IPS 4K 60Hz, DCI-P3 99%, HDR1000, 1200nits, Dolby Vision, Freesync, MiniLED 1152 zones, OCO
ASUS PA27UCX-P : 27” IPS 4K 60Hz, DCI-P3 99%, HDR1000, 1200nits, Dolby Vision, Freesync, MiniLED 1152 zones, OCO
DELL UP3221Q : 31.5” IPS 4K 60Hz, DCI-P3, HDR1000, MiniLED 2000 zones
 
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What is "Monitor" Size, If people is willing to use a 48" CX as a monitor, with Micro-LED launching with a 78" model this year. I don't think it will take till 2030 for a 49" unit to appear. I'll say by 2024 model year if not sooner.

Lol...2024 ok I'll remember that. See you in 3 years.
 

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Micro LED is not coming to monitors any time soon, by all accounts. Back on topic the FV43U is apparently VESA HDR 1000 certified and that has required a FALD backlight on every other VESA HDR 1000 monitor - I thought it was a requirement. it also is priced like an advanced backlight monitor (other 43” monitors are much cheaper), I will be keeping an eye on this one.
 
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Micro LED is not coming to monitors any time soon, by all accounts. Back on topic the FV43U is apparently VESA HDR 1000 certified and that has required a FALD backlight on every other VESA HDR 1000 monitor - I thought it was a requirement. it also is priced like an advanced backlight monitor (other 43” monitors are much cheaper), I will be keeping an eye on this one.

Nope. Vesa HDR1000 does not require FALD. Even edge lit monitors like the Samsung ultrawide can get HDR1000 certified with only 10 edge lit zones. https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/samsung_c49rg90.htm#hdr

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Nope. Vesa HDR1000 does not require FALD. Even edge lit monitors like the Samsung ultrawide can get HDR1000 certified with only 10 edge lit zones. https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/samsung_c49rg90.htm#hdr

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Which is rather disappointing. Most manufacturers do not freely advertise their local dimming specs and I think VESA really missed the mark or bowed to financial pressure by not including local dimming requirements in the newest revision of DisplayHDR. It's a disservice to consumers.
 

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Product page confirms it doesn't use any local dimming at all. Not even edge lighting. Into the trash it goes.

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It may still be a decent monitor without local dimming, assuming the price is ok and you never turn on HDR.
 

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I am super interested in seeing how the heck they got a 1000 nit brightness with a direct backlit display.
 

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It might be also just incorrect specs, often happens when new products get added. I would expect it to be something miserable like 8 zone backlight. Afaik the DisplayHDR1000 spec does require some form of local dimming, just does not specificy how good it should be.
 

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It might be also just incorrect specs, often happens when new products get added. I would expect it to be something miserable like 8 zone backlight. Afaik the DisplayHDR1000 spec does require some form of local dimming, just does not specificy how good it should be.
DisplayHDR simply requires "active" dimming, which doesn't necessarily mean local dimming. Full-frame dimming like my old 49" Samsung does would be considered DisplayHDR 400 by those standards.
 

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I'm surprised there's a 43" VA panel that actually exist. 43" is usually IPS territory. Keeping an eye on this one for sure!
 
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That only proves that even LG know that they have reach the end of the road with OLED and start working on the next thing. As to pricing, I came from using $3000 projection TV in the late 70s when a 2500 sq ft house went for $90000 in the heart of silicon valley so I guess consumer pricing may means different thing to you and me.

Consumer prices were high in the 1970s because most manufacturing was made either in Japan or in the West. High labor costs = high cost of production. Now most pieces of the supply chain have been outsourced to countries with much lower cost of living.

As far as your house, there just wasn't much demand for housing in the 60s and 70s. Natural population growth had mostly cratered in the US by the 1960s, back when the US was taking about 50k immigrants a year. The US now takes in around 2-3 million a year. Big difference in housing demand. The average house in the US could be bought with about 2.5 years of median wages in 1960s-1980s. Today it's more like 10+ years median wages.

Supply and demand determines pricing. And big booms in immigration started in the 1990s after Clinton passed the H1-B program. Obviously people who bought housing in Silicon Valley in the 60s to the 80s are reaping huge returns on that investment now.
 
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I'm surprised there's a 43" VA panel that actually exist. 43" is usually IPS territory. Keeping an eye on this one for sure!
All the 43" monitors I know of that have launched in the past 7 years have all been VA. The only I can think of that was IPS was the Philips BDM4350UC, which was a terrible monitor. I think there may have been a Viewsonic monitor that used the same panel.
 
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Do any of you guys care about dead pixels on large gaming displays? Or is it mostly a matter of "meh, good enough if it works?"
 

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Do any of you guys care about dead pixels on large gaming displays? Or is it mostly a matter of "meh, good enough if it works?"
Just as much as on smaller displays. It really depends on where the dead pixel is. On the edge and not a bright subpixel, I could live with it. In the center, not so much.
 
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