Gateway XHD3000 - 30" Widescreen Extreme HD Display

Discussion in 'Displays' started by Tim-in-CA, Sep 15, 2007.

  1. Tim-in-CA

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    Hey Guys,

    I was at CEDIA in Denver last week and came across this gem in the Silicon Optix booth. This was the most AMAZING display I have ever seen. It GREATLY surpasses the Apple, Dell and HP 30" displays as it can not only take Dual-Link DVI (required for 2560x1600), but it can take single link DVI, VGA, HDMI, Component, Composite and S-video. And because Gateway is using the Silicon Optix Realta HQV processor the images look amazing!!!! The Realta processors are typically used in high-end outboard video processing boxes from Dennon and the like ... these typically cost thousands of $$$$ on their own!!! The demo I saw showed 6 monitors (all the same) each running a different demo. Really wish I taken photos to show these off so you’ll just have to close your eyes and imagine!!!

    Demo 1
    PC running Bioshock at 2560 x 1600. This looked awesome!! Gateway had it hooked up to one of their FX PCs with an NVidia 8800 card with all the eye candy turned on. Yummy … this one pulled me in!!​

    Demo 2
    PC running multiple apps at 2560 x 1600 … nothing special there until the demo guy turned on the HD PIP window …. They had an HD copy of Planet Earth running into the component input and showed that you could overlay a PIP window (up to full HD) onto the windows desktop. It really got cool when the mouse was moved into the PIP area on screen … the PIP then became auto transparent and you could see right thru the pip and work with the apps below. You could also grab the PIP window and drag it around anywhere on the screen and control the PIP with the keyboard and EzTune. I was told that Gateway's 22 and 24W monitors can do this as well (never knew!!) … Humm, working and playing at the same time sounds good to me!​

    Demo 3
    They had a 360 hooked up to component and was playing an HD-DVD movie – Charlie and the Chocolate Factory … the upconversion to 1600p and video processing looked impressive. Johnny Depp looks pretty freaky at this resolution … the Oompa Loompas are still creeping me out … but the movie did look pretty cool at this res! The blades of grass in the Augustus Gloop scene were very sharp and clear.​

    Demo 4
    Using a PS3 hooked up via HDMI, they had a self running demo of a racing game (not sure what it was as I don’t play PS3 --- maybe Ridge Racer??). This looked way cool too as the action was fast and the image still looked clear. This is where I cranked up the audio … the effects of the cars and background music was loud and clear!!​

    Demo 5
    They were showing a Cars DVD … at first I thought I was looking at and HD copy of Cars until the demo guy showed me that he was using a cheap-ass DVD player going analog in to the monitor at 480i. The video processing made the image look near-HD. You really had to get close to see any artifacts. Certainly you could easily enjoy all of your SD movies on this puppie.​

    Demo 6
    They had a notebook hooked up via VGA input. This showed that you could hook up any old PC or laptop and still use the monitor (try that Apple / Dell / HP!!!) Unfortunately, you can only max out at 1920 x 1200 as VGA can’t support 2560 x 1600. But the image and scaling looked great. I’d definitely see being able to use this monitor with a lower end PC that did not have kick-ass graphics cards and playing games at lower res and letting the monitor do all the scaling work. I was also demoed that you could put the screen into 1:1 mode so for the die-hards out there, you can stop the monitor from doing any scaling of your PC graphics output.​

    The guy from Gateway I spoke to told me that this would be available on Oct 7 and would list for $1699. This is an AMAZING deal as you can use this display not only for you PC, but your notebook or low-end PC, XBox 360 / PS3, DVD players, etc.

    Also, this thing had an awesome speaker bar with a total of 8 speakers inside. When I cranked it up, the audio still sounded GREAT and did not distort. With the included remote and using a set top box (from cable or satellite), you can turn this puppy into the ultimate office / BR / den TV too (no tuner is included but do you really need one anyway?!). The look of the display is also a big departure from their previous monitors that I have seen at Best Buy. They now have a black glossy bezel with real aluminum treatments and all aluminum stand. The touch controls also looked and worked much better - they are completely invisible when off and clear when on. Gateway is claiming that this is the world's first Quad HD (720p x 4 I guess) display and scales everything to 1600p ... I am definitely going to pick one of these up when it comes out ... If you are considering buying an Apple / Dell / HP 30 ... hold off a few more weeks and go to Gateway.com or Best Buy ... you will NOT regret getting this display.

    I picked up a flyer at the show and have arduously typed it in below with the specs ... have at it!!!! To learn more about HQV technology, I found this website as well … www.hqv.com

    Tim-in-CA

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    Gateway XHD3000 30-inch Extreme HD Display

    The new Gateway XHD3000 30-inch Extreme HD Display delivers advanced display technology for those who want a truly remarkable, cinema-quality experience. It features state-of-the-art technology that makes it uniquely suited for both entertainment and computing needs. With a stunning ultra-high-resolution 1600P wide screen image, this Quad-HD display is capable of over four times the resolution of standard 720P high-definition. The integrated Silicon Optix Realta HQV video processor takes video to an entirely new level of detail and clarity. The display also provides world-class convenience and usability as it can be easily connected to virtually any video device via its range of inputs including HDMI, dual-link and single-link DVI-D, VGA, component, s-video and composite interfaces, with1600P upsampling of all video sources.

    The Gateway XHD3000 takes a dramatic step forward in expanding Gateway’s award winning line of HD displays by incorporating several new features:

    Extreme HD Widescreen Performance
    The Silicon Optix Realta HQV “Hollywood Quality Video” powered by Teranex video processing chipset powers the Gateway XHD3000 with amazing 1600p HD video for optimal clarity, smoothness and accuracy with 16.7 million colors. The video processor performs one trillion operations per second for enhanced image quality and offers advanced capabilities, such as deinterlacing, film cadence detection, noise reduction, and detail enhancement for unparalleled image quality.​

    Universal Functionality
    Support for up to six simultaneous video inputs, such as desktop and notebook computers, Xbox 360, Sony PlayStation 3, Nintendo Wii, Blu-Ray, TiVo, DirecTV, HD-DVD and more.​

    Incredible Gateway DXP Audio
    Advanced 3D sound with 8 high-performance speakers, remote IR control capability and 2 headphone outputs. Eliminate clutter and use more valuable desk space with an integrated high-performance sound solution.​

    Sleek, Feature-Rich Design
    Contemporary design has small desk footprint, reduces clutter, manages wires and cords with integrated cable management and looks stylish with blue LED lights and brushed metal frame —ideal for any space-constrained environment. ​

    Affordable, Future-Proof Technology
    Experience cutting-edge display technology for an incredible value. HDCP, support for future widescreen applications, integrated EzTune software Microsoft Windows Vista capable, VESA compliant, easy swivel/tilt adjustments and HQV video processing.​

    Speakers
    To further boost the entertainment experience, the XHD3000’s dxp powered speaker system delivers incredibly rich, detailed sound using eight high-powered, low-profile neodymium transducers which contribute to the sound system’s ability to generate amazingly clean and high-volume sound with exceptional dynamic range.​

    Ports
    The Gateway XHD3000 includes discrete audio inputs for each video input and allows for automatic audio switching. If a more expansive audio experience is required, the XHD3000 has separate analog and digital audio outputs for connection to home theater systems.​


    Gateway XHD3000 Specifications

    • Resolution: 2560x1600
    • HD Video Support: 1600P Quad-HD
    • Video Inputs: Dual-link and Single-link DVI, VGA, HDMI, Component, S-Video, Composite
    • Device Support: All PC and CE devices
    • Video Processor: HQV
    • Brightness: 400 nits
    • Contrast: 1000:1
    • Response Time: 6 ms
    • Remote Control: Universal plus IR Blaster
    • Audio Support: Fully Integrated
    • Audio Outputs: Analog, Coaxial and SPDIF
    • Speakers: 8 Driver High-Performance Sound System (included)
    • Audio Inputs: One each for DVI, VGA, Component, Composite, S-Video
    • Retail Price: $1,699
     
  2. Stubwub

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    Why do I have the feeling this too could have inverse ghosting like the other Gateway models? I guess I cant trust Gateway anymore.. so I'm wary.
     
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  4. Tim-in-CA

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    I looked at it from left and right maybe 70 deg or so and didn't notice any off axis viewing issues. I was told that the panel is PVA type so it must mean that it is Samsung. As for ghosting, I played Bioshock a bit and didn't notice any ghosting issues.
     
  5. deeplove

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    Dual-link and Single-link DVI, VGA, HDMI, Component, S-Video, Composite and Audio Inputs.

    I do like that. That's a shit load plus the audio inputs is a plus. And a remote? Nice.They really must be aiming for that Multi-Purpose Monitor. Interesting to see.
     
  6. joemama

    joemama [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Sounds awesome...but I'm with stubwub on this one. The gateway 24" looked to be the 24" to slay all the other 24's until it was actually released and people started using them.;)
     
  7. Tim-in-CA

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    I have a Gateway 24 and never had a problem with it. I game, surf and use it as a small HD TV in my office ... Looking forward to upgrading to the 30. Time to clear out the clutter on my desk!!! :eek:
     
  8. Furious Salesman

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    This sounds way too good to be true.... but I hope it is.
     
  9. JohnleMVP

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    I'm sure its a good pc monitor, but for all the media stuff I don't see it being that great.

    How good is HD content 720p to 1080p going to look scaled up to 1600p on an LCD? I'm guessing blurry or pixelated.
     
  10. Tim-in-CA

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    Absolutely not ... as I said in my original post, HD and SD content looked fantastic scaled to native panel res (2560 x 1600). This is because Gateway is using the Silicon Optix Realta HQV processor. Check out www.hqv.com ... this chip is VERY powerful.
     
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    Well if it works thats good. I'd want something like that as an external box for my monitors.
     
  12. kuyaglen

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    When I first learned of the inverse Ghosting on my gateway 24 I was a bit dissapointed I was also dissappointed in the side angle colors being weaker when looking directly straight on. But as time went by and the gateway 24" thread got larger and larger those issues become more of a footnote than anything disparaging to me.

    Though I hope the initial "Ohhs & Ahhs" from Tim-in-CA does not play into his impression his detail of the inputs and pip features along with the 480i dvd input image makes me start saving up.

    Hopefully there will be plenty of reviews come Oct 7th and plenty of stock in Portland Oregon (no sales tax) for PDXLan 10.5 in early November!

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  13. Happy Hopping

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    Gateway stock was at $90 back in 2000, now they are at $1.8 (no split), co. w/ that kind of management and they can turn belly up at anytime, I simply can't take that chance.
     
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    You buy your monitors based on the companies stock? :confused: plus they were just bought by Acer, I don't see them going "belly up"
     
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    I believe he's concerned with warranty/exchange/return should the company cease to exist.

    I personally don't need all those features. All the audio stuff is stereo so I don't need any of that. I don't need any of the video post-processing since I watch everything through the computer. I do want all the video inputs for occasional console gaming, a simple scaler, and color adjustments in the OSD. So if you take out all the stuff I don't need and sell it for ~$150 more than Dell I'm more likely to buy it. Although I'm guessing that expensive chip is probably the only one that can handle 2560x1600. C'mon Dell it's time for 3008wfp.
     
  16. joemama

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    I don't know if Acer buying them is such a good thing...a while back I had their "top of the line" Ferrari F-20 monitor....and while the PQ was good it was still very bare bones for inputs and features...especially compared to the Dell 2007WFP that i bought later for about $50 less. I'm not saying Acer is bad per se...just that they tend to stay on the budget end of the spectrum with their monitors.
     
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    You would have to assume that this monitor was developed WAY before the Acer acquisition (which hasn't even been consumated yet!!). I think that after the merger, Acer products will remain the same and Gateway will continue to have more advanced features. Per all the stuff I have read on-line, Acer bought Gateway to increase unit share to get ahead of Lenovo. Hopefully the 30 is the first in a line of advanced displays for Gateway.
     
  18. joemama

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    Don't get me wrong..even though I most likely won't spend $1600 on a desktop monitor, I still hope this one is everything you say it is and then some. I also hope it does well in the marketplace in spite of the high price...the current trend seems to be low cost over quality and features.
     
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    how does this compare to the Dell 30"? I was also wondering if you could use like a directv receiver with HDMI to view TV also with the monitor. Seems a bit too expensive, hopefully gateway sells them with some discount.
     
  20. Tim-in-CA

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    There is NO comparison between the Gateway 30 and the Dell / Apple / HP / Samsung 30W displays. They only have dual-link DVI as their only input (you can't connect anything other than a PC with a dual-link graphics card). The Gateway 30 on the other hand has all the inputs (Dual/Single Link DVI, HDMI, VGA, Component, Composite, S-Video) with audio input for each (HDMI being the exception as it already has audio in it). In looking at the manual (pointed to in a previous post), you can even connect your home stereo to the monitor to bypass the included speakers (although, the included speaker bar did sound GREAT in my opinion). During the demo, they had Playstation hooked up via HDMI so you definitely could connect your DirecTV receiver to this as well. The included remote was universal so you could reprogram it to control your box. Also, I was told that the monitor also has an IR Blaster port on the back and ships with the IR Blaster cable / emitter. This way, you could hide your DirecTV (or other IR receiving device) and any IR commands received by the Gateway 30 will be retransmitted out the IR blaster cable. The other 30's are really no match for this display ... I'm saving up right now :) (Mac-n-Cheese anyone? :p)

    On the subject of expensive, this really is NOT expensive if you are in the market for a 2560x1600 30W display or want a PC monitor and an LCD TV. The other 30's are really only single purposed but the Gateway 30 lets you connect anything you want to it and video processes / scales the image to look great!!
     
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    well there is the roundabout way of getting an HD tuner that has HDMI or video/audio composite with Dell 30" although having a monitor like Gateway keeps things simple as all in one and more features that tuners can't provide.

    I hope gateway doesnt sell them for retail but have some coupons or sales. I'll buy it for 1300 or so, but 1700 is a bit over my budget for a monitor since I won't be using all of its features to its full potential.
     
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    This really sounds too good to be true... you know what they say. :/
     
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    I don't know of ANY WAY to use an external HD tuner box and have it output WQXGA (2560x1600) into the Dell 30 ... the Dell can only take this as it has no scalar in the display. In my opinion, I can see using this display in my office as the one and only uber-monitor. I can hook up my PC, HD Cable and XBox 360 all into one GIANT display and have them ALL look great. Currently use a Gateway 24 for my main display and although it's good, I still want a bigger piece of glass to watch TV on. No room for an extra TV in my office.
     
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    I saw the display with my very own eyes .... it really does look great.
     
  25. Happy Hopping

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    Who on earth need a LCD to do video processing and scaling when the computer do all that for you. That has never become a necessary because computer CPU/GPU keep increasing in processing power, whereas the LCD (if there is a video processing unit) processing power stays the same.
     
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    Samsung is only 1250. 3 Samsung is equal to 2 Gateway. Another demo of poor management by Gateway
     
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    What Samsung? Does it have high res and work as HDTV? I'm just looking for a 30 inch that has 2560X1600 with less then 8 ms and HDMI or video composite connection don't need more stuff like its own processor, speakers, or many more connections.
     
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    Doesn't the Samsung have a LED backlight, or am I thinking of a future model?

    What do you mean 3 Samsung = 2 Gateway? :confused:
     
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    I would guess he's talking about price in the sense that you could buy 3 of the Samsungs for the price of 2 Gateways :confused:
     
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    Tim, do you have some kind of connection with Gateway, say like being an employee?

    Every single one of your posts is a Gateway thread, and in some you seem very knowledgable about Gateway products.

    The 30" monitor you posted about seems badass, but I'd like to understand if you have a bias.
     
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    No connection with Gateway here ... I just happen to have owned two previous Gateway displays (21" and 24") and have been happy with them. I wanted to pass on the info on the 30 because I came across it at CEDIA and thought that people would want to get a pre-release take on the display. I really only have time to post on products that I own or want ... until now, I never really wanted a 30W display because of the limitations of the current generation technology from Dell, HP, Apple ... the Gateway 30 really made me stand up and take notice that this really could be the uber-monitor I have been looking for.

    I also came across a blurb about the 30W on the internet. http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/91607gateway/ ... Seems others are also seeing this as the ultimate PC / TV display as well.
     
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    Yea, but you would not be able to connect anything other than a PC with a Dual-Link DVI connection to the Samsungs .... no such restrictions with the Gateway 30 ... This display really is for those that want one display that can do it all ... maximum PC desktop resolution and video / CE capabilites as well ...
     
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    Like I said earlier..I really do hope this monitor is the bees knees and puts pressure on the makers of other 30" desktops to get their act together. On the other hand..you can't blame myself and others in this thread for being sceptical...many of us have been waiting and anticipating the holy grail of desktop monitors for a long time now and nobody has given us the "perfect" display without issues or drawbacks.;)
     
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    Well said. I hope this monitor is everything it claims to be, but there have been plenty of other monitors that have looked very promising initially but turned out to be disappointing once people really got a chance to evaluate them. It's pointless to argue about whether an upcoming monitor will or won't be great -- let's just wait and see.
     
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    That's a PANEL gamut improvement only. The brighness drops as well to 300nits and you STILL can't connect anything other than Dual-Link DVI to these panels.
     
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    I'd wait & see what the real quality of this display is after some more in depth testing has been carried out, to echo what has already been said: it looks really interesting on paper, but it is a low cost Gateway product and may prove to be very disappointing.

    Colour gamut means nothing if the display can't actually display the correct colours when appropriate (search the threads complaining about cartoon colours, pink whites & red/orange push etc) 300nits or 400nits - basing your buying decsion based on specs like these is foolish. They really tell you nothing about image quality.

    I think 'yrchachad' is referring to these LG-Philips panels that aren't yet in any available products:
    http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/news_archive/7.htm#lg.philips_07
    note that the LM300WQ5 is 370nits anyway (not that it matters particularly)

    How do you know? Have you got some special inside knowledge into the product development at all the other display manufacturers? The scaling you've been talking about is a low cost off the shelf processor seperate from the panel driver electronics, it's hardly Lumagen Radiance territory. Any display maker can go this route with their next 30" model if that's what they decided.

    Also I'd wait & see what this does to the input lag too. Dell/HP are low lag because there is no pre processing/scaling going on.

    If you connect consoles, HD-DVD etc to one of these 30" monitors I wouldn't expect the IQ to be anything more than adequate, I think if that's the priority it'll still be a tough decision to take one of these gateways over a 32"-37" 1080p TV.


    I'm being a bit harsh, but really I'd think very carefully before dropping $1600 on one of these - same price as the HD2441W and that didn't turn out to be quite so great
     
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    To all ... my suggestion (like others) is take a wait and see attitude and wait for the reviewers to start chiming in.
     
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    It sounds like it could be awesome!
     
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    True, but as the processing chips drop in price, the monitors "low res" performance will improve dramatically, and being that 720p to 2560 is a fair hike, we can also assume that "all" HD will look pretty good, especially if paired with the new 9 series Nvidia{I'm making the assumption that the scaling on these new GPU's will be up to the task}.

    I've always been warry of HDTV/DVD performance at 2560, but between the HQV chip and new GPU's, we might have a proper outcome........of course the beauty of that hi-res is that you can sit closer, but naturally you'd want minimal scaling artefacts.