Gary Explains why Qualcomm Get Whipped by Apple

grtitan said:
Thanks the maker that is not comparing to some intel cpus, which also got trashed.

brb, grabbing some pop corn and securing my door for the angry mob that is coming for that comment! :)
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Yes, people with a PC or a Mac care so much about a benchmark that is shit on x86. How's the A11 doing in 3DMark Time Spy?

BloodyIron said:
What's to stop Apple from astro-turfing/"optimising" the CPU/GPU for geekbench exactly? We've seen that before...
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And we see it again now.
 
I found this very entertaining , benchmarks scores are through the roof when Apple is compared to Qualcomm then he explains that Apple uses stupid amounts of cache :). In other words using cache is preferred on benchmarks (this is actually awesome we known that for a couple of decades).

What is not discussed is how much of a battery drain this is. I mean larger cache does not go without using power another factor is operating system if your cpu is faster but uses a good deal of power where is the benefit beside a benchmark ?
 
wicktr0n_ said:
Here's a personal use case scenario: As a photography hobbyist, I find using the current generation iPad Pro (A10X) a dream come true in conjunction with Mobile Lightroom/Photoshop, especially when traveling. I can make about 90% of the edits I would make in desktop Lightroom/Photoshop, and it feels as fast, if not faster than a laptop does at doing those tasks.
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I don't have any lag in lightroom either though. I just reinstalled it lightroom on my phone and its a lot better now feature wise then when i last tried to use it on mobile. To be clear, i am not asking them to sit on their hands -- i obviously want more performance, better battery life, etc etc -- but I made huge upgrades the last two years in phones and have not seen a lick of difference in day to day performance.
 
Guys come on lets not act like a Nexus 7 is still fast. My phone with a snapdragon 410 is faster then my Nexus 7, lets not stretch the facts. I am happy to know the details behind Apple's chip, thanks.
 
mt2e said:
Guys come on lets not act like a Nexus 7 is still fast. My phone with a snapdragon 410 is faster then my Nexus 7, lets not stretch the facts. I am happy to know the details behind Apple's chip, thanks.
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I am 100% honest when I say I don't notice the difference in every day use.

What do you do that the performance stands out to you?

My 2013 Nexus 7 is mostly relegated to just GPS duty using Waze these days, but on the rare occasion I use it for web browsing or email, it really doesn't feel any slower than anything else I use.

In what circumstances do you notice a difference?
 
Pieter3dnow said:
I found this very entertaining , benchmarks scores are through the roof when Apple is compared to Qualcomm then he explains that Apple uses stupid amounts of cache :). In other words using cache is preferred on benchmarks (this is actually awesome we known that for a couple of decades).

What is not discussed is how much of a battery drain this is. I mean larger cache does not go without using power another factor is operating system if your cpu is faster but uses a good deal of power where is the benefit beside a benchmark ?
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This.
My colleagues and friends who have iPhones do fuck all with the performance, but they are basically wired to a PC or power outlet because of the high battery drain. My boss has to run around all day, therefore even her new iPhone runs out of juice at least once a day.
Do all the stuff on a $1k phone (which probably has the most restrictions compared to any competitor) which I could do on a $250-300 one, with shorter battery life. Where do I sign up?

As long as people buy Apple stuff, because it is branded Apple these performance comparisons are pointless. Regardless of which is faster and how fast the fastest is. We are way past the enthusiast level and can't even remember where the practical level is.
I'm all for progress, but I will not buy a Cray for chatting online. Even if it has Apple or whatever else printed on it.
 
NIZMOZ said:
Still doesn't perform any faster against it's competition. Benchmark scores are nothing these days. Real world tests have shown it be as fast as the 7 plus, and sometimes slower. Note 8 still beats it with a slower benchmarked processor.

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-iphone-8-a11-bionic-samsung-galaxy-note-8-speed-test-2017-9
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So you link an article that notes that historically Iphones have won this benchmark over and over, but the 8 finally doesn't, not because of CPU, but because apple moved to slower animations than touchwiz? That's like.. the shittiest argument ever.
 
raz-0 said:
So you link an article that notes that historically Iphones have won this benchmark over and over, but the 8 finally doesn't, not because of CPU, but because apple moved to slower animations than touchwiz? That's like.. the shittiest argument ever.
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Well, animations are the first thing I turn off in any OS. Does iOS have that options? If yes, your point is valid. If not, that is a legitimate thing to benchmark and score as it is far more impactfull on everyday performance than photo processing or whatever.
 
raz-0 said:
So you link an article that notes that historically Iphones have won this benchmark over and over, but the 8 finally doesn't, not because of CPU, but because apple moved to slower animations than touchwiz? That's like.. the shittiest argument ever.
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What is the point of winning synthetic benchmarks if your phone is actually slower then the one it replaced? The point I have been trying to make, is each of my phones have had huge improvements in "synthetic benchmarks" but i fail to see any tangible real world benefit. For example, on a PC when you go from a platter drive to an SSD its a huge difference. I am not seeing any tangible difference in performance from each generation jump of these phones.
 
buttons said:
What is the point of winning synthetic benchmarks if your phone is actually slower then the one it replaced? The point I have been trying to make, is each of my phones have had huge improvements in "synthetic benchmarks" but i fail to see any tangible real world benefit. For example, on a PC when you go from a platter drive to an SSD its a huge difference. I am not seeing any tangible difference in performance from each generation jump of these phones.
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Not everyone uses their phone the way you do. Not much changes for the mundane tasks, but when you fire up some content creation software, it comes to life.
 
EricVB said:
These benchmarks are optimized for short burst speeds which the phones do very well on. A intel cpu is optimized for long term speed. Huge difference.
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It's funny how brand fanbois always make that comment when their favorite is beaten.

It was mentioned by the geekbench creator that because of the lack of proper cooling, the desktop/laptops will always beat the phone cpu's on the long run of such benchmarks and or usages.

Me personally, always add that I would love to see a proper desktop version of these chips, since, unlike fanbois, I like to see technology advance and see what it can do and bring and it doesnt have to be only from "my worshiped corporation".


mt2e said:
Guys come on lets not act like a Nexus 7 is still fast. My phone with a snapdragon 410 is faster then my Nexus 7, lets not stretch the facts. I am happy to know the details behind Apple's chip, thanks.
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I had a Nexus 6, 9 and 10 and only the Nexus 6 is fast enough right now. Mind you, only on curtains things, others, it lags like crazy, so I'm not sure that a Nexus 7 is that fast.
 
alxlwson said:
Not everyone uses their phone the way you do. Not much changes for the mundane tasks, but when you fire up some content creation software, it comes to life.
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I understand that, but i am still waiting for someone to show me an app or use case scenario where upgrading made a big difference. Something repeatable that i could try on my old phone and new phone to see a tangible difference. What do you mean by "Content creation" are people installing adobe premiere and editing 4k movies on their phones? Its bad enough on a 29" 21:9 monitor... cant imagine doing that on a 4.7" screen.

I did some raw image .dng edits in lightroom but it wasnt laggy or slow.
 
wicktr0n_ said:
Here's a personal use case scenario: As a photography hobbyist, I find using the current generation iPad Pro (A10X) a dream come true in conjunction with Mobile Lightroom/Photoshop, especially when traveling. I can make about 90% of the edits I would make in desktop Lightroom/Photoshop, and it feels as fast, if not faster than a laptop does at doing those tasks.
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I am getting tired of editing pics on my laptop. Its slow and inconvenient. That's why sometimes I avoid using the camera because editing is pain in the ass. Maybe I should consider the Pro. How do you transfer the photos to it?
 
buttons said:
I understand that, but i am still waiting for someone to show me an app or use case scenario where upgrading made a big difference. Something repeatable that i could try on my old phone and new phone to see a tangible difference. What do you mean by "Content creation" are people installing adobe premiere and editing 4k movies on their phones? Its bad enough on a 29" 21:9 monitor... cant imagine doing that on a 4.7" screen.

I did some raw image .dng edits in lightroom but it wasnt laggy or slow.
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Easy one. Do a 4k encode. Use the same video on both phones. Encode to YouTube 4k presets using your choice of app. The difference is freaking wild.
 
hmz said:
I am getting tired of editing pics on my laptop. Its slow and inconvenient. That's why sometimes I avoid using the camera because editing is pain in the ass. Maybe I should consider the Pro. How do you transfer the photos to it?
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SD to Lightning adapter.

Here's a YouTube vid of Tony Northrup using iPad for editing:
 
I don't take closed-source benchmarks too seriously. You really have no idea what you're dealing with in terms of optimizations, etc.

You can't make a good comparison of different hardware unless they're running on the same software stack. Here we're talking about different code bases built with different compilers running on different OSes in completely different app frameworks. Sounds like a good hardware test, right?
 
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