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Gawd
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Hey everyone.
I've went through quite a few monitors lately. Two AOC AG251FG monitors and two Dell U2417H.
I wanted to give a fair chance to decent ips and fair chance to newest and greatest gsync 240hz technology after owning amva 60hz montior for about 2 years.
In short - Dell ips completely failed on all fronts. Grey blacks (poor contrast) caused by massive corner bleeding from only one corner but radiating to 1/3rd of the panel in yellow. I've tried 2 units in few months apart and both suffered from dark scenes crippling blb... and whites were pink but that's another story. IPS glow was not such a big issue as with old ips though. In general - I felt I can do better pixel response time and image quality wise at least when it comes to media consumption and dark scenes/netflix shows and games like Dark souls etc.
Now... AG251FG was freaking awesome. 240hz and motion clarity were very very good. I was running it at 240hz gsync mode and 2 units I had, had pretty bad clouding patches in the middle and all around the bezel glow. Totally Like edge-lit glowing and that is on 0 (ZERO!) % of brightness. Pics are overexposed but it was harder to capture on pic so i had to overexpose. In reality, it was easily visible in most situation. Not only in dark room.
That's the reason I've returned them. It was visible in any dark scene and even on colors too. I couldn't accept it for monitor this expensive. 240hz was nice but I am not a pro player.
2 Weeks ago I've decided to try some "middle" ground solution and got LG 24GM79G. Typical 23.8" 144hz monitor. And here the interesting part starts.... I've "discovered" that the monitor looks GREAT and completely different in 60hz compared to targeted by this monitor 144hz mode.
At 60hz, the gamma is about 2.2 in the middle, contrast is exceptionally solid. I mean it's VA like perceived. This is one of the best looking solid black screens I've seen on a monitor. Great uniformity, no blb, no issues whatsoever except requiring to tinker with osd settings. That means setting brightness to 5% (120cd), gamma to mode4 and contrast from 70 to 60 because it was crushing whites. But after that it's a solid monitor.
The problems start when I switch to 100/120/144hz modes. The gamma and contrast get gradually worse. I have black screen as a wallpaper for testing purposes (and I kinda like it this way) and when changing the refresh rate, the screen gets brighter and less uniform with each step. At 144hz gamma is at 1.8, Black is greyish, clouding is made visible and blb on the left edge appears. That is a huge disappointment to me. Not only that but the strobing mode makes things even worse at any hz.
Here are pics of 60hz vs 144hz. Same settings (0% brightness, strobing off, nvidia set to full rgb). Keep in mind, it is difficult to capture.
Now my question is - Do all 23.8 monitors do that? do 24.5 monitors do that? Do 27" monitors do that? If not, then are they locked in the better looking (60hz) mode or are constantly in "degraded/overclocked" state for the lack of a better word?
It looks like if this 144hz monitor was created with 60hz in mind and achieves 144hz by overclocking and essentially forcing panel to do it and that's why it looks so much more washed out and so on.
Can anyone else test this? Not sure if I should keep looking for other monitors or be happy that I've found a good looking 60hz monitor with optional poor looking high refresh rate... I mean I use it on console to and 60hz was one of my targeted usages but I was hoping for 120hz pc gameplay... but I am using only 60hz because it looks so much better.
I've went through quite a few monitors lately. Two AOC AG251FG monitors and two Dell U2417H.
I wanted to give a fair chance to decent ips and fair chance to newest and greatest gsync 240hz technology after owning amva 60hz montior for about 2 years.
In short - Dell ips completely failed on all fronts. Grey blacks (poor contrast) caused by massive corner bleeding from only one corner but radiating to 1/3rd of the panel in yellow. I've tried 2 units in few months apart and both suffered from dark scenes crippling blb... and whites were pink but that's another story. IPS glow was not such a big issue as with old ips though. In general - I felt I can do better pixel response time and image quality wise at least when it comes to media consumption and dark scenes/netflix shows and games like Dark souls etc.
Now... AG251FG was freaking awesome. 240hz and motion clarity were very very good. I was running it at 240hz gsync mode and 2 units I had, had pretty bad clouding patches in the middle and all around the bezel glow. Totally Like edge-lit glowing and that is on 0 (ZERO!) % of brightness. Pics are overexposed but it was harder to capture on pic so i had to overexpose. In reality, it was easily visible in most situation. Not only in dark room.
That's the reason I've returned them. It was visible in any dark scene and even on colors too. I couldn't accept it for monitor this expensive. 240hz was nice but I am not a pro player.
2 Weeks ago I've decided to try some "middle" ground solution and got LG 24GM79G. Typical 23.8" 144hz monitor. And here the interesting part starts.... I've "discovered" that the monitor looks GREAT and completely different in 60hz compared to targeted by this monitor 144hz mode.
At 60hz, the gamma is about 2.2 in the middle, contrast is exceptionally solid. I mean it's VA like perceived. This is one of the best looking solid black screens I've seen on a monitor. Great uniformity, no blb, no issues whatsoever except requiring to tinker with osd settings. That means setting brightness to 5% (120cd), gamma to mode4 and contrast from 70 to 60 because it was crushing whites. But after that it's a solid monitor.
The problems start when I switch to 100/120/144hz modes. The gamma and contrast get gradually worse. I have black screen as a wallpaper for testing purposes (and I kinda like it this way) and when changing the refresh rate, the screen gets brighter and less uniform with each step. At 144hz gamma is at 1.8, Black is greyish, clouding is made visible and blb on the left edge appears. That is a huge disappointment to me. Not only that but the strobing mode makes things even worse at any hz.
Here are pics of 60hz vs 144hz. Same settings (0% brightness, strobing off, nvidia set to full rgb). Keep in mind, it is difficult to capture.
Now my question is - Do all 23.8 monitors do that? do 24.5 monitors do that? Do 27" monitors do that? If not, then are they locked in the better looking (60hz) mode or are constantly in "degraded/overclocked" state for the lack of a better word?
It looks like if this 144hz monitor was created with 60hz in mind and achieves 144hz by overclocking and essentially forcing panel to do it and that's why it looks so much more washed out and so on.
Can anyone else test this? Not sure if I should keep looking for other monitors or be happy that I've found a good looking 60hz monitor with optional poor looking high refresh rate... I mean I use it on console to and 60hz was one of my targeted usages but I was hoping for 120hz pc gameplay... but I am using only 60hz because it looks so much better.
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