Gaming: The new standard, 1440 or still the old workhorse, 1080?

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That's not going to help because the issue is largely that 1080p simply has less pixels than 1440p or 4K to resolve fine detail.
Sure it will help. Before 1440+ monitors, all we had was AA and AS, such as AA, 2XAA, 4XAA , SSAA, MSAA, and anisotropic filtering, and so on.

I realize there isn't any exception for more pixels, however. Also, the desktop will have more space with 1440, and I do like that. Putting 1080 in a 32" monitor is kinda a waste of screen realesate, really.

I was just wondering how much better the 1440 will look vs 1080 on a 32" monitor when all of the texture filters and AA are turned on on the 1080?
 
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Been very happy with my Pixio 27" 1440p 144Hz IPS screen, when I bought it it was way cheaper than well known brands but just as good. I'd buy another, especially now that they do such a small bezel...
Hmmmm. Well, at least it isn't a "Flycow." hahahahaa

May I ask, how long have you had it? I read some reviews and people were saying it doesn't look like 3000 nit but more like 2000.

One thing I have noticed about this LG is it is REALLY bright. Look like a flare in my living room when I'm in the kitchen. However, I've used IP panels and their brightness is plenty bright.
 

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Just went from Sammy 4k 60hz to lg 1440p 144hz and I wouldn't go back. I got the 144hz panel for 450cad, that seems well within your budget? I wouldn't pay less for a shittier experience
 

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Just went from Sammy 4k 60hz to lg 1440p 144hz and I wouldn't go back. I got the 144hz panel for 450cad, that seems well within your budget? I wouldn't pay less for a shittier experience
Well, see, I got his LG 1080 144Hz monitor from Costco and used this years rewards on it. So it cost me $129.00. I can bring it back and they will give me a cash credit for the rewards, which is 100.00. Next year, my rewards is going to be around 130.00. Next year I'll have about $230.00 in reward money to buy a monitor. So $200.00 out of pocket is really my budget. If Costco gets a 144Hz 32" 1440 monitor in for around 400-450, I can do that (rewards). Otherwise, way out of my budget currently. IF Costco gets that panel you have, It would be a done deal for me.
 

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Hmmmm. Well, at least it isn't a "Flycow." hahahahaa

May I ask, how long have you had it? I read some reviews and people were saying it doesn't look like 3000 nit but more like 2000.

One thing I have noticed about this LG is it is REALLY bright. Look like a flare in my living room when I'm in the kitchen. However, I've used IP panels and their brightness is plenty bright.
4 yrs now. No idea what the nits are but it's plenty bright....this is the newer version of mine, I will be buying it next spring purely to lose the bezels:
https://www.pixiogaming.com/px277
 

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4 yrs now. No idea what the nits are but it's plenty bright....this is the newer version of mine, I will be buying it next spring purely to lose the bezels:
https://www.pixiogaming.com/px277
OK, that's a good long run. That $300.00 Pixio 1440 VA panel is looking mighty tasty right about now. I wish Costco would get it in. This LG was 229. If they cold get it for 280.0 I'd take this LG back right now. I'll have to check and see if I can convert the rewards into cash, then I can just buy it anywhere. Nits are just a measure of brightness, same as cd/m2 .

It doesn't say it is G sync compatible though, which the LG is. (Just compatible, not having the NVIDIA processor in it.)

Thanks for the information.
 
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I was also under the impression that a higher refresh rate will make teh desk top drag items less blurry when moving or dragging, but it doesn't. For instance, I thought I'd be able to drag my browser around and still have clear text in it. Nope. Same as 60Hz. Or, is that when you are in a game and you are looking left scanning that the image is more clear than 60Hz?
 

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I was also under the impression that a higher refresh rate will make teh desk top drag items less blurry when moving or dragging, but it doesn't. For instance, I thought I'd be able to drag my browser around and still have clear text in it. Nope. Same as 60Hz. Or, is that when you are in a game and you are looking left scanning that the image is more clear than 60Hz?
There currently is no display which will allow you to drag windows around your desktop and read the text while whipping things around.

However, it should still be obviously smoother and clearer (but not readable), than a 60hz monitor. If its not, you likely have it configured incorrectly.
 

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Depends entirely on what you use your PC for, if you only game on it, 1080p is perfect for it, specially to get those 165 FPS in almost any game with a recent GPU.
 

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Sure it will help. Before 1440+ monitors, all we had was AA and AS, such as AA, 2XAA, 4XAA , SSAA, MSAA, and anisotropic filtering, and so on.

I realize there isn't any exception for more pixels, however. Also, the desktop will have more space with 1440, and I do like that. Putting 1080 in a 32" monitor is kinda a waste of screen realesate, really.

I was just wondering how much better the 1440 will look vs 1080 on a 32" monitor when all of the texture filters and AA are turned on on the 1080?

Again this comes down to resolving fine detail. At 1440p 32" you will see more detail in objects near and far because there is more pixels to represent them. Antialiasing will only help for jagged edges and while it is important too, it won't make up for the lack of resolution.
 

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Again this comes down to resolving fine detail. At 1440p 32" you will see more detail in objects near and far because there is more pixels to represent them. Antialiasing will only help for jagged edges and while it is important too, it won't make up for the lack of resolution.
Yeah, crystal clear on that one for sure. That's a huge deal too.
Again this comes down to resolving fine detail. At 1440p 32" you will see more detail in objects near and far because there is more pixels to represent them. Antialiasing will only help for jagged edges and while it is important too, it won't make up for the lack of resolution.
There currently is no display which will allow you to drag windows around your desktop and read the text while whipping things around.

However, it should still be obviously smoother and clearer (but not readable), than a 60hz monitor. If its not, you likely have it configured incorrectly.
I think you are right. It is better, but not clear.
 

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I was also under the impression that a higher refresh rate will make teh desk top drag items less blurry when moving or dragging, but it doesn't. For instance, I thought I'd be able to drag my browser around and still have clear text in it. Nope. Same as 60Hz. Or, is that when you are in a game and you are looking left scanning that the image is more clear than 60Hz?

You need to enable a special backlight mode to eliminate motion blur when dragging items or scrolling in a browser. Luckily your monitor has this feature! Head into Settings on your monitor and select the menu option called “Game Adjust”, and then turn the 1ms Motion Blur Reduction to ON. This will enable black frame insertion, basically driving the backlight like a CRT/Plasma, and mostly eliminates any blurring on objects when in motion. Note that this will only function in 120Hz, 144Hz, and 165Hz on your monitor. It also can’t be used at the same time as Gysnc or FreeSync, so you may like it turned on for crystal clear desktop but turned off for games where you can’t hold a solid 120/144/165Hz.
 

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Depends entirely on what you use your PC for, if you only game on it, 1080p is perfect for it, specially to get those 165 FPS in almost any game with a recent GPU.

I have to imagine the only reason people still think this way is they haven't experienced games at higher resolutions. I play at 3440x1440 and thinking about trying to game at 1080p again boggles the mind.
 

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Again this comes down to resolving fine detail. At 1440p 32" you will see more detail in objects near and far because there is more pixels to represent them. Antialiasing will only help for jagged edges and while it is important too, it won't make up for the lack of resolution.
You need to enable a special backlight mode to eliminate motion blur when dragging items or scrolling in a browser. Luckily your monitor has this feature! Head into Settings on your monitor and select the menu option called “Game Adjust”, and then turn the 1ms Motion Blur Reduction to ON. This will enable black frame insertion, basically driving the backlight like a CRT/Plasma, and mostly eliminates any blurring on objects when in motion. Note that this will only function in 120Hz, 144Hz, and 165Hz on your monitor. It also can’t be used at the same time as Gysnc or FreeSync, so you may like it turned on for crystal clear desktop but turned off for games where you can’t hold a solid 120/144/165Hz.
I had to also enable HDMI compatibility mode to get the 1MS and turn off Freesync. Didn't do anything. Still blurry when dragging and scrolling. Also I noticed it is now defaulting to 120Hz. Why not 144Hz?
 

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I've been holding off on getting a higher refresh rate monitor because of price, and the fact my gaming rig has been down for a while--and I am waiting for my main MMO to come back online Mortal Online 2.

A couple of days ago I saw this monitor in Costco for 229.00, and I have 100.00 in Costco rewards, so I bought it.
32'' UltraGear FHD 165Hz HDR10 Monitor with G-SYNC Compatibility
https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-32gn50t-b-led-monitor

With rewards, I got that monitor for $129.00


I'm still wondering if I should take it back, get the rewards money back, and wait until 2021 when I get another 120.00 in rewards money--and wait again for Costco to get a 32" 1440, 144Hz+ monitor in so I can use the 200.00 rewards on that instead of this 32" 1080 165hz model. I can't afford 500.00 for a monitor.

I'm out of resolution, but I know I will never purchase another monitor for gaming at less than 144Hz refresh. The LG above is 165Hz.

One reason I got 1080, besides being able to use that 165Hz refresh vs FPS, is because I thought 1440 would be a little small on a 32: monitor for gaming. The other reason is because of hardware needed to get higher frame rates at 1440.

So, what do you all think about refresh, size, and rez?
I have the LG 32 inch VA 1440p freesync non HDR one and I like it a lot.
Beautiful colors after Spyder calibration.
I use a five year old GPU and it runs everything I play at high FPS( above 75) at a mix of ultra and high. I paid 299 for it.
 

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I have the LG 32 inch VA 1440p freesync non HDR one and I like it a lot.
Beautiful colors after Spyder calibration.
I use a five year old GPU and it runs everything I play at high FPS( above 75) at a mix of ultra and high. I paid 299 for it.
299 for the LG 32" 1440? That's good.
 

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Not gonna believe this, but I now own an HP 1080 24": 144Hz monitor too. I got it sent to me from being a Vine Reviewer on Amazon. I'll sell it after the 6 month period is over. That should help me raise cash for the 32" 1440 I want. I wish they could send me a 32" 1440. Well, maybe someday!

It doesn't say it is HDR though and the contrast ratio sucks at 1000:1 (My LG is 3000:1). But it's an IPS panel. I think LG stole their game for less money and a bigger, HDR screen.

Here it is:
https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-x24i-gaming-monitor

meh, even if I don't sell it, it will be a nice backup monitor.
 

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I have to imagine the only reason people still think this way is they haven't experienced games at higher resolutions. I play at 3440x1440 and thinking about trying to game at 1080p again boggles the mind.
Well if you're gonna play at 4k then what's the point on getting a 165Hz monitor (which is the one OP mentioned) since you wouldn't get that frame rate even with a RTX 3090. If you're playing competitive frame rate is more important than visuals.
 

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Well if you're gonna play at 4k then what's the point on getting a 165Hz monitor (which is the one OP mentioned) since you wouldn't get that frame rate even with a RTX 3090. If you're playing competitive frame rate is more important than visuals.

I don't play competitive. I enjoy games that look like their from this decade.
 

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1080p is still the defacto standard right now. Everyone is using it it seems for the most part.

This is just the 2020 Steam Hardware Survey and they represent a large but not all counting of the general representation of what is what.

1440p make up only 7% of the users of steam, 4k is 2%, and 1080p is 65%

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1080p is still the defacto standard right now. Everyone is using it it seems for the most part.

This is just the 2020 Steam Hardware Survey and they represent a large but not all counting of the general representation of what is what.

1440p make up only 7% of the users of steam, 4k is 2%, and 1080p is 65%

Keep in mind, Desktop Resolution != Game Resolution. People might be using 1080p desktop since they don't want to deal with Windows scaling options, but might game in higher resolutions.

But yes, the majority of people don't have high-end GPUs, and are going to game in 1080p.
 

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Well if you're gonna play at 4k then what's the point on getting a 165Hz monitor (which is the one OP mentioned) since you wouldn't get that frame rate even with a RTX 3090. If you're playing competitive frame rate is more important than visuals.
He's not playing at 4K, but 1440, so can't you get high frame rates with that? Mainly IN play MMOs, like EVE and Mortal Online, which is coming out with Mortal Online 2 soon. I don't play competitively. I think the 1440 would fit me better. I like the extra screen real estate.
 

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Not gonna believe this, but I now own an HP 1080 24": 144Hz monitor too. I got it sent to me from being a Vine Reviewer on Amazon. I'll sell it after the 6 month period is over. That should help me raise cash for the 32" 1440 I want. I wish they could send me a 32" 1440. Well, maybe someday!

It doesn't say it is HDR though and the contrast ratio sucks at 1000:1 (My LG is 3000:1). But it's an IPS panel. I think LG stole their game for less money and a bigger, HDR screen.

Here it is:
https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-x24i-gaming-monitor

meh, even if I don't sell it, it will be a nice backup monitor.
I think I might take this Costco LG 32 1080 back soon, get the credit for it, and use that HP 24" I'm getting for free until I see a 1440 I can buy.
 
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I think I might take this Costco LG 32 1080 back soon, get the credit for it, and use that HP 24" I'm getting for free until I see a 1440 I can buy.

Look at Acer refurb store on eBay or their own site for an XF270HU. They routinely have them for around $250-300. They are 27” 1440p 144hz IPS freesync panels that work with gsync compatible mode as well. I own 2 of them and they are fantastic.
 

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Look at Acer refurb store on eBay or their own site for an XF270HU. They routinely have them for around $250-300. They are 27” 1440p 144hz IPS freesync panels that work with gsync compatible mode as well. I own 2 of them and they are fantastic.
I'm gonna have to have the 32" panel from here out, if I buy one to keep for an extended time.
 

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There currently is no display which will allow you to drag windows around your desktop and read the text while whipping things around.
Not entirely true
LG CX OLED with max BFI setting can do this. And Supposedly the Asus Swift 360Hz PG259QN can as well but I haven't tested this myself.

And being honest, this is probably the only thing the max BFI setting is useful for unfortunately....
 

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I run 1440p 27" @ 144Hz and find it's the sweet spot, for my desk anyway, and my 1080 Ti runs most games on high, some even ultra. This is not too expensive, and works great for a twitch fps'er like me...
It should. That card still goes for over 600 fucking bucks.
 

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I boxed the LG back up last night after seeing that HP 24" IPS panel. I know I can get the colors almost identical with my Color Monkey calibration (if they still have software for it, since I bought it is 2013 and haven't used it since then) because I had an ASUS VA panel I had to calibrate. After that, if was identical in color to my IPS, or so close you really could not see a difference.

Anyway, the HP 24" IPS just looks so much more vibrant. And. . .sooooooo smalll--cry. Well, I'm going to take the LG back and get my money back and then keep looking for a 32" 1440 panel.
 

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Until RTX can go past 60fps on the highest end card at 1080p, I can't see 1440p/4k being the standard anymore. I am going from an Acer X34 to the PG259QN 360hz.. because if RTX is being slapped around these cards and it's the latest and greatest tech-- I want to be one of the first to experience it in full. I love 1440p but thanks to RTX the standard is so far away it's not even funny. I honestly wish they just kept GTX on the cards and left RTX for when it can be utilized past 60fps at 1080p.
 

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Until RTX can go past 60fps on the highest end card at 1080p, I can't see 1440p/4k being the standard anymore. I am going from an Acer X34 to the PG259QN 360hz.. because if RTX is being slapped around these cards and it's the latest and greatest tech-- I want to be one of the first to experience it in full. I love 1440p but thanks to RTX the standard is so far away it's not even funny. I honestly wish they just kept GTX on the cards and left RTX for when it can be utilized past 60fps at 1080p.
Can you explain what RTX is and how it is important and detrimental to 1440? I don't even know what it is.
 

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Until RTX can go past 60fps on the highest end card at 1080p, I can't see 1440p/4k being the standard anymore. I am going from an Acer X34 to the PG259QN 360hz.. because if RTX is being slapped around these cards and it's the latest and greatest tech-- I want to be one of the first to experience it in full. I love 1440p but thanks to RTX the standard is so far away it's not even funny. I honestly wish they just kept GTX on the cards and left RTX for when it can be utilized past 60fps at 1080p.

You seem to be under the impression that because the cards are capable of raytracing that its required to be on all the time and therefore somehow makes the card worse. This isn't true, at all. Having RTX in the name doesn't do anything.

Can you explain what RTX is and how it is important and detrimental to 1440? I don't even know what it is.

He's referring to the performance hit you get when you enable NVidia's RTX branded raytracing in games that support it.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/rtx/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_RTX

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_tracing_(graphics)
 

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I was also under the impression that a higher refresh rate will make teh desk top drag items less blurry when moving or dragging, but it doesn't. For instance, I thought I'd be able to drag my browser around and still have clear text in it. Nope. Same as 60Hz. Or, is that when you are in a game and you are looking left scanning that the image is more clear than 60Hz?
If you have a high refresh monitor, moving the mouse in Windows and dragging windows around is noticeably smoother.

Just make sure that your mouse can handle it. You'll need one with high polling rate (ideally 1000Hz) to get the best experience.
 

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If you have a high refresh monitor, moving the mouse in Windows and dragging windows around is noticeably smoother.

Just make sure that your mouse can handle it. You'll need one with high polling rate (ideally 1000Hz) to get the best experience.
Ah ok I was jsut using a normal Logitech mouse. I'll plug in my Logitech gaming mouse and see how it looks.
 

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Joe Biden: C'mon Man!

Even console plebs will be on 4K 120hz. You shouldn't even be thinking of anything less than 1440p 120hz in late 2020.
 

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1080p still isn't horrible. If you have the performance, you can use DSR/VSR 4K and it actually looks alright.

But if you are buying a new monitor, then I would say 1440p at least, and definitely high refresh.
 

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1440p was totally doable for me on a 55" .... I loved it for the 1.5 years I was @ 1440p with my 2080 Ti. And I was able to ultra / high settings on every game I played. I was never disappointed or could have asked for more.

Guessing on a smaller display like a 32" .... 1440p would be perfect.

If you're on a very tiny 24" or 27" .... honestly, stay at 1080p. At least I would.

To do 4K properly ... you need to spend the big money which is going to be out of reach for most. Properly? Yeah, 120hz which means a RTX 3090 and high-end parts to get there.

Guessing a 3070 will do 1440p perfectly. Or, a cheap 2080 ti for sure.

I am still seeing retarded prices for 2080 ti's where I live, $800 - $900. $750. Guys are hella salty still I guess.
 

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Joe Biden: C'mon Man!

Even console plebs will be on 4K 120hz. You shouldn't even be thinking of anything less than 1440p 120hz in late 2020.
I'm not. I took the LG back today and got $252 in cash that I deposited in my checking account. Right now I'm on that free Vine Reviews HP 144Hz 24" 1080 , and I can live with it until I find that sweet 1440 32" 165Hz IPS panel. But F-me in the B-hole, that 24" seems sooooo small. 32" for my PC is just right, especially since I sit exactly two feet in from of the panel. I actually have enough money to get a decent 32 1440 right now, but then I'm cash poor for a video card update. I'm just hoping my RX580 can run 1440 at low settings for now.
 
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