Games that ruined gaming

PrincessFrosty said:
For example if valve announced HL3 right now, and said OK there's going to be 2 versions

1) HL3 Blue Box $50 - Using basic source engine it's built multi-platform and works on Xbox/PS3/PC, it comes with graphics approximately equal to HL2 and no real improvements in any technology, has match making as standard, P2P multiplayer system, and ALL the nasty shit that console ports come with as standard.

2) HL3 Green box $60 - PC exclusive, comes with new advanced source engine DX11 graphics, new technology like physics, AI, animation blended with ragdolls, 3D vision support, native multi monitor support, proper mouse control, proper FOV, tweaked difficulty settings, smarter and more demanding AI, in game benchmarking tool, proper server browser, advanced graphics options such shaders, larger draw distance, more physics objects, better shadow system, a plethora of AA/AF controls, modding tools etc etc.

Which would you buy?
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Ahahahahaha.
 
Final Fantasy VII. I can't enjoy other RPG's now because I want it to be as good as FF7.
 
moteasah said:
WoW ruined gaming? I think what you're all trying to say is "WoW has made any developer trying to make an MMO try extra hard now to not put out a shitty game"

Wth is it with the community here who hate amazing things. Apple. WoW. Hell, Blizzard in general. CoD. People are so made that the company keeps making these rehashed versions. How about you get the people buying them to stop, then bitch at the developers. It's YOU EXACT people who keep buying the game.
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Most of us on here hate Apple for all the smug, pretentious "It Just Works" (so long as you don’t try to interface it with REAL computers) steaming pile of underpowered & overpriced hardware all wrapped up in a Fischer-Price-for-the-cerebrally-challenged package. :mad:

As for games that ruined gaming- Small DLC that nickel & dime us via lazy money grubbing developers & publishers that aren’t interested in added value patches w/ features. Games that use micro-transactions that take front & center over the actual dammed game (manconomy in TF2 is a fugging annoying example, sooo tired of people just sitting in the starting area being hat trader losers and not helping the team win!) :(
 
This thread is ridiculous. Nothing has killed gaming more than elite PC nerds who continue to view gaming as something that is done from their mom's basement were they dwell.

It seems that you all are so broke from buying your PC hardware that you some how believe that enlitles you to steak at the price of a big mac. You want a developer to dump millions into a game, then sell it for pennies, and then support it forever, then give you the source code or modding tools so you can make your own content....FUCK THAT, they happen to be in business to make money... something that is beyond the realm of comprehesion for some on this forum. The majority of the gaming market is still focused on kids-teens who's parents buy them things, you just have a jaded view, it happens to all of us. I can play only a handful of games that I thought were awesome back (the ones I play the most of the 2d side scrollers like Mega Man and SMB) in the day now, I just grew up, the focus of the industry hasn't changed. Which is make money with the methods the MASS market will accept and that is consoles, micro transactions, and DLC. If the market didn't like it, it would kill it.

There is nothing wrong with gaming... other than the bias for the things you grew up playing. I happen to thing Super Mario Brother 3 is the greatest game ever made... somebody 10 years younger... not so much.
 
XvMMvX said:
This thread is ridiculous. Nothing has killed gaming more than elite PC nerds who continue to view gaming as something that is done from their mom's basement were they dwell.

It seems that you all are so broke from buying your PC hardware that you some how believe that enlitles you to steak at the price of a big mac. You want a developer to dump millions into a game, then sell it for pennies, and then support it forever, then give you the source code or modding tools so you can make your own content....FUCK THAT, they happen to be in business to make money... something that is beyond the realm of comprehesion for some on this forum. The majority of the gaming market is still focused on kids-teens who's parents buy them things, you just have a jaded view, it happens to all of us. I can play only a handful of games that I thought were awesome back (the ones I play the most of the 2d side scrollers like Mega Man and SMB) in the day now, I just grew up, the focus of the industry hasn't changed. Which is make money with the methods the MASS market will accept and that is consoles, micro transactions, and DLC. If the market didn't like it, it would kill it.

There is nothing wrong with gaming... other than the bias for the things you grew up playing. I happen to thing Super Mario Brother 3 is the greatest game ever made... somebody 10 years younger... not so much.
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The majority of gamers are in their 30's, and that is usually the group that spends money the most carelessly on things they like. The problem is that most games ARE made for kids-teens. You can probably see why some people get a little tired of it.
 
LeninGHOLA said:
The majority of gamers are in their 30's, and that is usually the group that spends money the most carelessly on things they like. The problem is that most games ARE made for kids-teens. You can probably see why some people get a little tired of it.
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The majority of gamers here are in their 30s perhaps, but no way that's true in the general population. I'd guess the average age of gamers in general is somewhere between 15-20.
 
XvMMvX said:
This thread is ridiculous. Nothing has killed gaming more than elite PC nerds who continue to view gaming as something that is done from their mom's basement were they dwell.

It seems that you all are so broke from buying your PC hardware that you some how believe that enlitles you to steak at the price of a big mac. You want a developer to dump millions into a game, then sell it for pennies, and then support it forever, then give you the source code or modding tools so you can make your own content....FUCK THAT, they happen to be in business to make money... something that is beyond the realm of comprehesion for some on this forum. The majority of the gaming market is still focused on kids-teens who's parents buy them things, you just have a jaded view, it happens to all of us. I can play only a handful of games that I thought were awesome back (the ones I play the most of the 2d side scrollers like Mega Man and SMB) in the day now, I just grew up, the focus of the industry hasn't changed. Which is make money with the methods the MASS market will accept and that is consoles, micro transactions, and DLC. If the market didn't like it, it would kill it.

There is nothing wrong with gaming... other than the bias for the things you grew up playing. I happen to thing Super Mario Brother 3 is the greatest game ever made... somebody 10 years younger... not so much.
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*Shudders at the thought of young gamers reminiscing 10 years from now about Call of Duty and Halo*
 
I agree Halo started all the CoD bullcrap. I'm also going to say Halo/Call of Duty/Battlefield are the unholy trinity.

I can't really think of many other games that killed gaming. WoW maybe, but I enjoyed playing it until it got too easy.

I'd have to Say Halodutyfield ruined an entire genre.
 
SDyar said:
Final Fantasy VII. I can't enjoy other RPG's now because I want it to be as good as FF7.
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FF9 & 10 were both better then 7. Final Fantasy 9 sort of jumps the shark at the end though. FFVII just made RPGs more mainstream.
 
Superfly3176 said:
FF9 & 10 were both better then 7. Final Fantasy 9 sort of jumps the shark at the end though. FFVII just made RPGs more mainstream.
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FFX has a moderate case of rail-riding and lacks the immense, open feel of FF7. FF9 was amazing, for the most part, though.
 
Superfly3176 said:
FF9 & 10 were both better then 7. Final Fantasy 9 sort of jumps the shark at the end though. FFVII just made RPGs more mainstream.
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CEpeep said:
FFX has a moderate case of rail-riding and lacks the immense, open feel of FF7. FF9 was amazing, for the most part, though.
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FF7 was just trying desperately to fill the huge shoes that FF6 left:


FF6
SteamPunk Theme
Espers
Kefka
Is a clown –clowns are freaky scary & he is bat-shit crazy like what you read about.
By the end of the game he had:
• Succeeded in destroying the known world
• Had become a god by draining the 3 entities that make magic and made them his bitches
• Made a ghastly tower of wreckage which he sat atop firing a beam (light of judgment) at will that could split continents and flash-fry entire towns
• People were so lost and hopeless they started to worship him
• Had murdered men, women and children through the entire game by poisoning, ruining the world, and destroying towns

FF7
Rip off - Midgar
Rip off - Materia
Sepiroth:
Is a whiney little bitch who misses his mom.
Never really managed to feel like he was fiendishly evil like earlier FF villains.
By the end of the game he had:
• Missed his mom
• Killed 1 flower girl while she way praying
• Tried to destroy the world but used the slowest crappyest world ending spell ever seen that got its ass handed to it while the heroes stood around hoping it would work out.
• The rest of the whackjob plot was full of holes and seemingly written by non other than Fuckels Mc Retard who had nasal cancer from snorting too much coke
• The extremely weak plot and annoying characters were glazed over by the FMV that everyone pooped themselves over … graphics making up for a sub par game??? Again??

So I think what’s hurting gaming in general is the copy paste approach to ideas we are seeing. Every time a ‘new’ game comes out it has 10% new and 90% regurgitated tripe and if its an EA or Origin game then they expect you to take 5% of the new and shove it up your ass.
 
4. The average game player is 37 years old and has been playing games for 12 years.
5. The average age of the most frequent game purchaser is 41 years old.
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How exactly do they verifiy this, how do they know that they aren't purchasing games for their kids?

The proof is in the sales figures, the games that sell well are designed and marketed with the young kid (Mario) or mid-teen boys (COD).

It is obvious that somebody likes what they produce and it has nothing to do with being "mindless sheep" like some of you believe.
 
BiH115 said:
Ignoring Minecraft (it's painfully stupid), I liked GoW and I LOOOOOVED Neverwinter Nights numero uno.
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LeninGHOLA said:
Gears of War and Minecraft. NWN 1
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Amaroth said:
My last post and read of this thread do to people mentioning BF1942, MineCraft, Half-Life and Goldeneye as games that ruined gaming.
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Please explain how.

hardc0re said:
Games didn't ruin gaming... there's a few real life factors behind what's going on.

- consoles and the mainstream entertainment companies siphoned the creative talent from the talent pool.

- The recession decreased the likelihood of start-up game studios

- fear of the unknown (All AAA titles are sequels to popular franchises - GTA V, Max Payne 3, Diablo 3, Battlefield 3, Call of Duty XVIII, World of Warcraft Expansions) I don't recall any new popular moneymaking titles in 2011 and 2012 that beat out a sequel title.

- the growth of mainstream piracy
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Agreed. I would also add content that is removed or locked away in a game for the sake of being re-added through DLC packs or retailer-exclusive pre-order deals and this increasing trend in always-online DRM (though I guess that would fit under the growth of mainstream piracy).

Actually, I think that high speed Internet has brought almost as many caveats to gaming along with its benefits, and might be the root of the problem. Fewer and fewer games these days offer LAN or split-screen support, thus causing LAN parties or anything that involves meeting in the flesh to die off; it's ridiculously easy for anyone to pirate a game these days; strategy guides are a google search/youtube video away, which kills the incentive for developers to hide any cool easter eggs or cheats or secret pathways for part of the money generated from strategy book sales; what were once novella-sized manuals are now a pathetic sheet of paper with some basic controller/keyboard maps (Problem? Better ask someone on the developer's/publisher's forum or google); games that are tied to online accounts, which can be disabled or deleted if the account is banned/disabled/used on another computer; multiplayer games that happen to have a SP campaign tacked on at the last minute are more common than lengthy singleplayer games that happen to have a multiplayer mode tacked on; more and more games are coming out unfinished since 500+ MB patches and DLC packs are usually just a mouse click away.


If we have to point our fingers at certain games for ruining gaming then I would say anything that Ubisoft has pushed out of their butt in the past couple of years due to their always-online DRM scheme. Did the game fail to meet financial expectations? Piracy. Did it meet or surpass them? No sale lost, DRM's working. Also, almost all the games available for the Wii and to an extent, the (3)DS(i). Almost all the games in those libraries are either shovelware or remakes. Surprising how little innovation there is for an innovative platform.

EDIT: Also Crysis, BF2, and COD4. The former, for showing that a game can have impressive graphics and physics (when the hardware that can run it comes out) yet contain such abysmal gameplay. The latter two for kicking off the now overcrowded modern warfare genre (but thankfully for killing off the once overcrowded WW2 genre).
 
Russ said:
LOL. Keep dreaming. ;)

$60 and $80 respectively, minimum. A better example might be $60 base and $30 of DLC.
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Would it matter? People will pay $100+ for CE's if the quality is there, so why not $20 more for a better game? Why not $30?

If valve could make HL3 amazing for PC people would pay for it, we need some bloody perspective in this industry, games are uniformly crap these days and we need something to stand out to remind us things can be done better, even if we need to pay more for it.
 
XvMMvX said:
How exactly do they verifiy this, how do they know that they aren't purchasing games for their kids?

The proof is in the sales figures, the games that sell well are designed and marketed with the young kid (Mario) or mid-teen boys (COD).

It is obvious that somebody likes what they produce and it has nothing to do with being "mindless sheep" like some of you believe.
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Seems pretty clear to me by being split by "player" and "purchaser"......purchaser including the parents buying for kids.
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Godmachine said:
COD has done more damage than any game in recent memory. WoW? Please , WoW actually managed to advance MMO's ..something everyone seemingly forgets whenever this kind of topic comes up. MMO's are always shadows of previous generation MMO's with different window dressing , hard to align that with "Games that ruined gaming".
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WoW advanced MMOs? Are you kidding? Ever since WoW every MMO has become the same generic piece of crap. WoW did to MMO's what CoD did to FPS's.

And the saddest part is that they both started out VERY VERY good.
 
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CEpeep said:
This. Goldeneye didn't have better design than any other game at the time (in fact, it was vastly inferior in terms of textures, AI and difficulty curve) but it had decent multiplayer level design and it was extremely accessible. (Controls were simple and it had lots of "gimmicky" game modes to help balance out the advantage from being an experienced player.) It's basically the Mario Kart of FPS games. Not an amazing racing game (which had been present in arcades for years) but a good time on the couch with your friends. If making games more accessible is what ruins them, you need more friends.
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Goldeneye was probably the first console FPS that was worth a damn.
 
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Monkey34 said:
Sorry to tell you bro, but here's some stats....
http://www.theesa.com/facts/index.asp
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I don't think those stats are talking about the same sorts of games we're discussing here. If you included facebook games, solitaire, etc, then yeah maybe, but talking about your FPS's your TPS's your RPG's your action games and stuff that is mostly discussed on [H]... no, I do not beleive those stats in the slightest. Also as has been mentioned, it probably includes "purchaser" rather than just "gamer" stats.

42% of gamers are women? 29% of those over 50 are gamers? Yeah, I could call my Mum a gamer because she regularly plays Freecell, or my Dad a gamer because he occasionally does an online Sudoku, or my sisters who are in their 30's are gamers because they play maybe 20 minutes of puzzle games on their phones each week :D But certainly not a gamer that is being targetted by EA/Ubisoft/Activision to buy the latest and greatest $60 PC and console games (unless you count mothers buying it for their snot nosed little shi... I mean children :p).
 
Firepac said:
WoW advanced MMOs? Are you kidding? Ever since WoW every MMO has become the same generic piece of crap. WoW did to MMO's what CoD did to FPS's.

And the saddest part is that they both started out VERY VERY good.
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You can make that case for every MMO starting with one of the first EQ.

Blaming WoW for MMO's becoming generic makes about as much sense as blaming Seinfeld for making all sitcoms generic pieces of crap.
 
Wasn't aware gaming was ruined.

If you'll excuse me, I'm gonna go back to playing games now.

kthxbye
 
IMO gaming is ruined by gamers. People wanted something fresh and new - there was Beyond Good and Evil - it was great game, but people whined its not generic. People wanted better graphics - they got Crisis. So then they whined its too taxing on computers, so EA made Crysis 2 and people...whined it's not looking great as first part.

People whine that MMOs are too generic, but on the other hand no one wants to play something that stands out from crowd.

Kotor and Mass Effect hits consoles, Halo gets released on X, Demon Soul on PS3 - pc gamers demand those games on their machines, but then they whine that there are too many console ports.

And to see what evolution games passed since "my golden age" of gaming look at DNF it's exactly duke nukes but with better engine. And it plainly sucks. So I'm back to TOR, Majesty and new Soulcalibir, while waiting for D3 :)

Oh, and if anyone whines about milking franchises and evil EA... I'll just mention one old studio - Sierra and its n series of quests :p
 
These are all stupid and petty reasons. They haven't ruined games, I'm sure if you petitioned them they'd stop.
 
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