Games crash at splash screen with 8120.

[lasserith]

Well I figured that maybe there was a hope for it since some of the guys are able to play those games in a crippled state. The Saint's Row demo is free so I figured it wouldn't hurt to see if it did it with other user's systems. I really wanted to try the DOTA 2 Beta but if it's just going to crash most likely, it's pointless to accept the invite.

Never bought a piece of "high end" hardware and been more depressed in my life.

Erm not sure how in bad taste this is but if you got two friend invites with that I would love you forever if I could get one.

 

[cageymaru]

Erm not sure how in bad taste this is but if you got two friend invites with that I would love you forever if I could get one.

Ha ha they just contacted me with one. Sorry and that's not in bad taste. I would have asked myself.

 

[statikregimen]

I just ran "Saint Row The Third Initiation Station" for well over an hour - designed an entire character (hot punk rock chick...lol). No crash, but framerates & overall performance was crap. 20fps and the controls were very "jerky", making it difficult to fine tune things.... This continues to mimic the issues where, while I don't BSOD, my performance is terrible.

EDIT: Shogun 2 is installing (finally)...I'm anxious to see if I'll get the BSOD in that one, or if it will be more of the same...So far, the big difference between people with BSOD vs people with the performance issue is motherboard...And what's the biggest difference from one brand to another? BIOS.

 

[tangoseal]

Man I bet AMD is going to recall all these chips. Issue new ones and they will actually freaking rock with the next revision. I bet they are being slave whipped while working on the next revision to the BDZR.

 

[statikregimen]

Man I bet AMD is going to recall all these chips. Issue new ones and they will actually freaking rock with the next revision. I bet they are being slave whipped while working on the next revision to the BDZR.

I'm not sure they could afford to do that...More likely they'll try to sweep these under the rug. But if the next revision is WAY improved, and bugs fully fixed, then I'll give them some more money. My current chip would be perfect in my music PC, for running loads of VSTs

 

[statikregimen]

This makes me want to smash my head through a glass window: http://www.hardwareheaven.com/hardw...ack-edition-processor-launch-review-hh-5.html

They close the thread because of dipshits, but had evidently experienced problems and worked out a solution... I will pursue this lead a little and see if I can get them to talk...However, it seems a little odd that they didn't mention something like this in their actual review.... -_-

 

[statikregimen]

woo! MSI's new BIOS for 990fxa-gd80 is here *fighers crossed* : http://www.msi.com/product/mb/990FXA-GD80.html#/?div=BIOS

UPDATE: Didn't fix DX:HR...I'll check others after I (evidently have to) relearn how to overclock............

UPDATE2: They've thrown me a curve ball. CPU voltage now only go up to 1.365v...wtf MSI?? Either I've gone stupid or they effed up -_-

UPDATE3: Ok, yea I'm calling the new bios f.u.b.a.r...I tried everything I could think of, but CPU voltage was suddenly locked to 1.365 or below, which isn't stable for my OC (tested just to make sure they hadn't like... mislabeled them in previous versions or anything). It didn't seem to affect performance at all, didn't see any new features and certainly didn't fix any of the gaming problems. I've rolled back to the previous version *sighs*

 

[Michaelius]

Hmm isn't 1,365 below turbo Vcore voltage ?

 

[cageymaru]

Hmm isn't 1,365 below turbo Vcore voltage ?

Yes. Turbo is 1.4125v. Disable Turbo in the new bios and see if you can go higher. Just a try.

 

[cageymaru]

Well it's nice to know that Kyle and the guys had the exact same problems as I did with Bulldozer. At least I'm not alone.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

woo! MSI's new BIOS for 990fxa-gd80 is here *fighers crossed* : http://www.msi.com/product/mb/990FXA-GD80.html#/?div=BIOS

UPDATE: Didn't fix DX:HR...I'll check others after I (evidently have to) relearn how to overclock............

UPDATE2: They've thrown me a curve ball. CPU voltage now only go up to 1.365v...wtf MSI?? Either I've gone stupid or they effed up -_-

UPDATE3: Ok, yea I'm calling the new bios f.u.b.a.r...I tried everything I could think of, but CPU voltage was suddenly locked to 1.365 or below, which isn't stable for my OC (tested just to make sure they hadn't like... mislabeled them in previous versions or anything). It didn't seem to affect performance at all, didn't see any new features and certainly didn't fix any of the gaming problems. I've rolled back to the previous version *sighs*

I actually just updated from an older bios version (11.2) to 11.6 last night.

Since I don't have a BD yet, I have had no need for the newer BIOS.

The new BIOS - IMHO - is a complete clusterfuck.

• It went from a nice traditional BIOS to some graphical BS that takes longer to navigate.
  
• The new bios could no longer load by overclocking profile, and I couldn't see what the old settings were, so now I have to start my tweaking from scratch.
  
• I use smart fan control to keep fans quiet at idle. I used to have the target temp set to the lowest setting (35C). Now the lowest setting is 40C, and the fans don't even spin up much when it goes above the target temp. My CPU went up to the high 50s under load, and still the fans were only running at 50%. And my system crashed as a result. Speedfan doesn't seem to work on this mobo, so now I have to turn the fans all the way up all the time which REALLY pisses me off.

I'm returning back down to 11.2 for now I think. This new BIOS just sucks.

 

[savantu]

Well it's nice to know that Kyle and the guys had the exact same problems as I did with Bulldozer. At least I'm not alone.

I find your entire BD experience as a journey into masochistic practices.

 

[cageymaru]

I find your entire BD experience as a journey into masochistic practices.

I concur!

 

[statikregimen]

Yes. Turbo is 1.4125v. Disable Turbo in the new bios and see if you can go higher. Just a try.

Tried it...Also, disabled all power management features and everything...cleared cmos a few times, disabling and enabling various things/rebooting/power cycling combinations to see if I could trigger whatever was hiding those voltages, and nothing.

I actually just updated from an older bios version (11.2) to 11.6 last night.

Since I don't have a BD yet, I have had no need for the newer BIOS.

The new BIOS - IMHO - is a complete clusterfuck.

• It went from a nice traditional BIOS to some graphical BS that takes longer to navigate.
  
• The new bios could no longer load by overclocking profile, and I couldn't see what the old settings were, so now I have to start my tweaking from scratch.
  
• I use smart fan control to keep fans quiet at idle. I used to have the target temp set to the lowest setting (35C). Now the lowest setting is 40C, and the fans don't even spin up much when it goes above the target temp. My CPU went up to the high 50s under load, and still the fans were only running at 50%. And my system crashed as a result. Speedfan doesn't seem to work on this mobo, so now I have to turn the fans all the way up all the time which REALLY pisses me off.

I'm returning back down to 11.2 for now I think. This new BIOS just sucks.

That's how the it was supposed to look, in the first place....The 11.4-current graphical bios is equally as easy to navigate; you just gotta get used to it. Plus, 99% of motherboards from here on out are going to have graphical bioses like that. Idk about smartfan, tho...its working great for me =/

Well it's nice to know that Kyle and the guys had the exact same problems as I did with Bulldozer. At least I'm not alone.

That's it. I'm buying an Intel.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

woo! MSI's new BIOS for 990fxa-gd80 is here *fighers crossed* : http://www.msi.com/product/mb/990FXA-GD80.html#/?div=BIOS

UPDATE: Didn't fix DX:HR...I'll check others after I (evidently have to) relearn how to overclock............

UPDATE2: They've thrown me a curve ball. CPU voltage now only go up to 1.365v...wtf MSI?? Either I've gone stupid or they effed up -_-

UPDATE3: Ok, yea I'm calling the new bios f.u.b.a.r...I tried everything I could think of, but CPU voltage was suddenly locked to 1.365 or below, which isn't stable for my OC (tested just to make sure they hadn't like... mislabeled them in previous versions or anything). It didn't seem to affect performance at all, didn't see any new features and certainly didn't fix any of the gaming problems. I've rolled back to the previous version *sighs*

Worth noting.

11.6 BIOS has been removed from MSI's webpage

 

[statikregimen]

Worth noting.

11.6 BIOS has been removed from MSI's webpage

I'm still seeing it listed w/ same release date. Maybe they fixed it... I'll check the md5 sums in a bit, but first quick update on Shogun 2: It runs, with insanely low FPS, continuing my trend of "works...sort of" vs BSOD most people are getting. However, it did eventually crash to desktop while loading the first campaign level.

That's about as far as I'm going on that for now...I'ma see what's up with 11.6 bios, but most likely, gonna put my 1100t back in and start shopping for Intel/Nvidia hardware.

UPDATE: nah, looks like the BIOS is the same. Wonder why they had taken it down...

 

[cdr_74_premium]

cageymaru, are you really sure your CPU isn't defective?

I had a chip (Intel P4 Prescott) that wouldn't run stable unless underclocked. Had to return it and get a new one. It was overheating at stock speed, and it wasn't a cooling problem, seeing that I used the OEM HSF.

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

UPDATE: nah, looks like the BIOS is the same. Wonder why they had taken it down...

Not sure. I went to the download page last night after work to get the 11.2 BIOS file so I could downgrade mine back to where it worked properly, and I saw that 11.6 wasn't there.

Odd that it is back with no changes...

 

[djstarfox]

I will try that after I get home. I'll google it, but if you're kind enough to post how you did it I'd appreciate it.

start msconfig.exe
goto Boot tab
click 'Advanced Options'
check 'Number of Processors'
make sure the drop down says 1
OK everything
reboot

 

[cageymaru]

cageymaru, are you really sure your CPU isn't defective?

I had a chip (Intel P4 Prescott) that wouldn't run stable unless underclocked. Had to return it and get a new one. It was overheating at stock speed, and it wasn't a cooling problem, seeing that I used the OEM HSF.

It's extremely stable as long as I only use 95% of the programs on my PC. For one example I have 210 Steam games. If it is just a game sold by Steam and not a SteamWorks game it works flawlessly. I don't think I've had a hiccup out of a non SteamWorks game ever. I'm close to 30 hours in BF3 with 0 crashes, hangs, glitches, etc.

But if I fire up those few games in the OP I can't get to the loading screen for them before my computer restarts. If I flash to a earlier bios, 0705, the computer will run them just like Statik's computer. But the entire system is unstable and I can't run anything for over 5 minutes before the computer hangs.

I can run stability tests all day with the 0810 bios and never crash. I can't make it crash unless I take it to above 4500 on stock voltage. It's very stable! But if I use the 0705 bios I can't get a full minute of a run in before it hangs the system. And the 0705 is the only bios that allows me to boot the 'bad" games in the OP.

Basically there are motherboards that are using the 95% stable bios and some that use the "don't crash but everything runs crappy" bios. Even in the Sli review, Kyle and them have the exact same problem as me. So it's not a phenomenon exclusive to my system.

If you are using the MSI 990FX board, the bios will run your pc fine but in a slow state on those titles. If you run an Asus Sabertooth 990FX you get a choice of either BSOD or crappy performance that's liable to BSOD.

I'm going to send my chip back to AMD since NewEgg can only send me another chip. I want to wait for a new stepping to come out before I do so. These first run chips have nasty bugs.

 

[cageymaru]

Oh I want to add that doing video encoding, Cinebench, winrar, playing videos, etc all work flawlessly. I have 0 complaints about doing run of the mill things on my PC. I don't know if that signifies stable to others, but it seems it is. As long as I don't touch those SteamWorks titles. Dungeon Siege 3 is a SteamWorks title that doesn't sync with the Steam Cloud. It runs flawlessly. Dawn of War 3 Retribution is a SteamWorks title that has full Steam Cloud support. I can't get to the loading screen before my PC restarts. Just trying to show what the difference is between a working game and a nonworking game.

 

[statikregimen]

Oh I want to add that doing video encoding, Cinebench, winrar, playing videos, etc all work flawlessly. I have 0 complaints about doing run of the mill things on my PC. I don't know if that signifies stable to others, but it seems it is. As long as I don't touch those SteamWorks titles. Dungeon Siege 3 is a SteamWorks title that doesn't sync with the Steam Cloud. It runs flawlessly. Dawn of War 3 Retribution is a SteamWorks title that has full Steam Cloud support. I can't get to the loading screen before my PC restarts. Just trying to show what the difference is between a working game and a nonworking game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can turn cloud sync off, no? I'll try it later, when I get home....Wouldn't we feel silly if that's all it was

EDIT: nvm...i had a few extra minutes to try it and it changed nothing -.-

 

[cageymaru]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can turn cloud sync off, no? I'll try it later, when I get home....Wouldn't we feel silly if that's all it was

Never thought about it. I'll check and see. At least that's something new to Google lol. Deus Ex has full cloud support also because I was surprised to see my save game after a format.

 

[cageymaru]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you can turn cloud sync off, no? I'll try it later, when I get home....Wouldn't we feel silly if that's all it was

EDIT: nvm...i had a few extra minutes to try it and it changed nothing -.-

Ha ha yea it crashed hard.

 

[cageymaru]

Going to go and write down all my memory timings, strengths, etc. Going to try and force the 0705 to play nice. Be back in an hour or so. This is one of those times I wish I didn't let my ex keep my darn camera.

 

[cageymaru]

Well leaving it to run the AMD OverDrive stability test for an hour. Or until it locks up.

 

[cold&damp]

<describes installing windows 7>

LOL
You should post this somewhere as a guide to using BD

 

[cageymaru]

Well I've been playing Civ 5 since I last posted 6 hours ago. I beat it on the huge map with all options maxed and MSAA on 2x. It basically ran like the [H] review with some serious slowdowns. Well complete stops almost when you click end turn. Fraps would go from 120 fps to 1 to 40 to 60 to 1. So inconsistent!

I left Deux Ex:HR running. By playing with the 0705 bios and messing with the memory timings I'm getting 75 fps standing outside of Jensen's office. I have Triple Buffering off, Anti-aliasing on FXAA High, and Vsync off. Everything else is maxed out. For the Asus Sabertooth motherboard it seems that 0705 and custom memory timings is the way to go. Well if it doesn't crash...

Going to leave the game just sitting there in hopes that if it's going to cause an error it will tonight. At least this is more promising than before!

Oh it ran OverDrive for an hour without dropping a core or hiccuping. Running at 4200 speed on stock voltages. Which seems to be 1.236v according to AI Suite II.

Night all!

 

[statikregimen]

Well, I guess it's good news that the issue is likely curable by the BIOS, but how freaking long can it possibly take them to figure this out and fix the problem?

 

[Wildace]

Well, I guess it's good news that the issue is likely curable by the BIOS, but how freaking long can it possibly take them to figure this out and fix the problem?

they have 10 days to fix it or i might be dissapointed on the 15th when i cant play saints 3..

assuming its broke just like initiation station

 

[cageymaru]

they have 10 days to fix it or i might be dissapointed on the 15th when i cant play saints 3..

assuming its broke just like initiation station

I had to take the old bios and input the new memory timings, strengths, etc into it. Have you tried that? I'm assuming that whomever made your motherboard updated the bios just before Bulldozer. After that I got my system stable it seems. Well a lot more stable than before! I need to run a battery of tests and one of my nephews robbed me of my USB thumb drive for school. List your gear and maybe we can work out what you need to get stable.

 

[tvdang7]

I am too lazy to read all the pages , sorry but any solution to the problem yet? Is it the cpu's fault?

 

[statikregimen]

No definite solution yet (nor any official word from AMD about it, that I know of, other than "they are aware of the problem and looking into it"). OP seems to have had some success by rolling back the bios on his Asus Sabertooth (right?) but nothing that works for everybody, universally.

I for one, am actively shopping for Intel/nvidia stuff now and just gonna use this rig for in my studio... It's pretty much worthless for anything else, at this point.

 

[cageymaru]

What I had to do for my Asus Sabertooth 990FX was use the 0705 bios and the memory timings from the 0810 bios. That got my memory close enough to what my processor needed to run properly.

Let me add that I haven't had the opportunity to properly stress test my system because some family members borrowed a few items of mine. But so far the system seems to work better. I wish the nearest electronics store wasn't an hour away. I would be able to tell you if it passed all stress testing.

 

[cageymaru]

Did you try messing with the ram Statikregimen? I had to redo all the drive strengths and more to get it to run.

 

[Wildace]

i have a CHV and 8120 and the prev driver i had before the bulldozer release driver doesnt boot at all with a bulldozer cpu

i also have a 955BE but i dont feel like reinstalling it since its already package up and waiting for someone to decide to buy it off me.

 

[statikregimen]

yes, my modules are 2000mhz rated, with XMP tables (for Intel), so to get them to run at rated speeds on an AMD platform, I have to manually set them... And as a result of overclocking, and trying to downclock/overclock the RAM, I've tried enough combinations to say, with reasonable confidence, that it didn't affect the gaming problems in any way

 

[cageymaru]

i have a CHV and 8120 and the prev driver i had before the bulldozer release driver doesnt boot at all with a bulldozer cpu

i also have a 955BE but i dont feel like reinstalling it since its already package up and waiting for someone to decide to buy it off me.

I will try and get a picture of my bios settings so you'll can see the settings I ended up with. Asus put out a total of 3 bios for my motherboard. The initial launch bios didn't work at all with my 8120, the 0705 memory settings are so far off the system wouldn't stay up 5 minutes before BSOD, and the 0810 that has the system rock solid but won't play the games in the 1st post.

I ended up scavenging the memory setting from the 0810 and inputting them into the 0705. That seemed to get 0705 stable enough to run most of the games in the 1st post. I will quick test more in a few minutes.

For your CHV I would go back to the Official Asus Motherboard post and ask Raja for bios settings for your memory. It can't hurt to ask and it can at least confirm or deny that your memory settings are wrong in the bios.

I think there are at least 2 bios for your board that are BD compatible right? Raja linked a beta bios for the CHV in the thread. And there is at least one official bios that works for BD on the Asus download page.

There is also a 0705 bios for your board. If you don't mind reinstalling the 955BE you can take a try on this. With the 8120 in write down your 0813 bios settings for the memory timings, strength, etc. Mine were all on one page basically. Flash to the 0705 bios. Manually input the settings into the 0705 bios.

If 0705 for the CHV isn't BD compatible, install the 955BE so you can get back to windows. Flash back to 0813 and there's no harm no foul. Or the newer 9911 bios. If at some point you have to install the 955BE write down it's bios settings for the memory. Mine were close to the 0810 for my Sabertooth.

Let me know how it works out for you.

Oh and what I mean about compatible for BD in relation to the 0705 bios, can you get to the bios screen when you have your 8120 in? If so you can change the memory settings to the 0813 settings. If not then you need to use the 955BE to flash to a newer bios. Considering that the 0813 bios just came out on 10/7/2011, the 0705 should boot the 8120. I wouldn't try the 0404 or 0506. They are probably incompatible I would suspect as Raja said, "AMD changed the AGESA on us so the microcode that was in 0402 only works on ES processors (the delays of this launch have been really challenging for all involved)."

 

[cageymaru]

yes, my modules are 2000mhz rated, with XMP tables (for Intel), so to get them to run at rated speeds on an AMD platform, I have to manually set them... And as a result of overclocking, and trying to downclock/overclock the RAM, I've tried enough combinations to say, with reasonable confidence, that it didn't affect the gaming problems in any way

I'm using this memory. My Asus has the memory in it's tested and confirmed working list for my Asus Sabertooth 990FX. I had to roll back to the bios that was released in September for my motherboard and use the prelaunch bios memory settings to properly set up my memory.

If MSI did the same and you just happen to have a chip you can swap to if your older bios isn't BD compatible, try flashing to an older bios and doing what I did. Of course I would write down your current settings as they seem to work reasonably well for you.

I think AMD hasn't figured out how to properly setup the memory on these boards and it's showing up as incompatible applications. I'm one of those weird people that if you tell them to dig a ditch, you better come tell me when to stop because I will take it to an extreme and dig a canal. Otherwise I would have given up long ago on this, and bought something else.

 

[cageymaru]

Oh and WildAce I watched this video when I OC'd my processor for the first time. I set my bios up like this before I even start trying to adjust anything. When I run at 4.6Ghz, one of my cores seems to run way slower than the others in Cinebench. So I just scale back to 4200 since it doesn't matter to me to be at the edge of madness.

Of course I have fine tuned my settings since then.