Games crash at splash screen with 8120.

statikregimen said:
I noticed that BF:BC2 seems to scale with multi-core CPUs pretty well, so not surprising that BC3 would follow suit. It utilized all 6 of my 1100t cores, with overall CPU usage at about 80-90% average and decent framerates. Now, on my 8120, it still uses all 8 cores and still holds around 80% average usage, and my framerates are even higher still - with my cfx, I get minimum of 120fps, avg 150fps and peak around 200!
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What were your minimum and average fps with the 1100T? These are EXACTLY the kinds of numbers I want to hear. How many more fps are you getting with the 8120 in the exact same system compared to the Phenom II system?
 
cageymaru said:
Well I have installed Win 7 64 so many times that I am sick of installing it trying to figure out what could be the culprit. The cpu's just have some bug that doesn't allow them to run certain games. Funny thing is that most of the games are ones that come free with AMD videocards.

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So you did do a clean install of Windows after you dropped in the FX chip or you didn't? Which one?
 
anubis44 said:
So you did do a clean install of Windows after you dropped in the FX chip or you didn't? Which one?
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LOL he just told he he had done it multiple times.

Stop looking for excuses - BD is just a piece of shity which doesn't even work properly.
 
anubis44 said:
So you did do a clean install of Windows after you dropped in the FX chip or you didn't? Which one?
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Yes I have multiple times. Clean install does nothing to make the offending games run even though they are endorsed by AMD to run on their videocards. Some people in the thread can install an older bios and get Deus Ex and others to run on one core. So we concluded that it's a problem in the bios that AMD recommended for the manufacturers to use at launch as it crashes those games 100% in most cases.

And I have run stress test after stress test and it passes them all. At this point I'll just wait for the next bios release and see if it rectifies the problem.
 
Would be nice if AMD said something official about it. Could at least say we are looking into the issue; hell just acknowledge the problem publicly.
 
would you rather they waste time telling you or poured everything they got into addressing the issue?
 
stealthy123 said:
would you rather they waste time telling you or poured everything they got into addressing the issue?
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it takes 20 seconds to twitter or post it a million other ways for people to see it and it takes no resources to tell us if they know about the problem and are fixing it.
 
anubis44 said:
What were your minimum and average fps with the 1100T? These are EXACTLY the kinds of numbers I want to hear. How many more fps are you getting with the 8120 in the exact same system compared to the Phenom II system?
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Just from memory, the 1100t was getting about 100 fps average, ~150 fps max and ~70 fps minimum. The game really loves the BD, it seems...Definitely showing the future potential of the chip for gaming, at least. However, even though they are rough figures from memory, I can say with complete confidence (based on a variety of games I've played), performance is just as good in games that do not support crossfire, and crossfire scaling is notably better, in games that do.

Take it all with a grain of salt, though, as I am overclocked to 4.5ghz, which puts single threaded performance about on par with the Thubane (if not slightly better). You pretty much have to go into a BD understanding that overclocking is mandatory. Frankly, just don't go this rout, if you're building new.

There is also a noticeable and significant difference, when forcing affinity through Windows task manager. For games/apps that are optimized for 2-4 cores, I set affinity to every other core and it works extremely well. A pain in the arse, yes, but until we get this magic windows scheduling patch I keep hearing about, its the best we can do.

Also, you can do this from a command line, to set affinity (w/o quotes, of course):

"start /AFFINITY 55 <application/parpameters>"

Where "55" is a hex mask of the cores to use...I think 0f means first 4 cores, but 55 definitely means cores 0,2,4 and 6.

I would presume one could then just make their own shortcuts to automatically launch with the proper affinity and not have to muck with it.
 
Is there anyone with a Bulldozer who ISN'T having these problems?

From what I've read so far there's only a couple threads on this scattered around various forums and they all link back to each other. If it were the case that EVERY single bulldozer sold so far was broken and exhibited these symptoms this would be much more public...

For instance, Deus Ex is a pretty popular game. Between time spent by reviewers before it was released and current owners Bulldozer should have been gotten many many hours of use by now, I have to wonder how many people played it perfectly fine and never said anything vs the people who are having this issue.

The TLB bug was handled right away by AMD. It seems suspicious to me that there is something internally wrong with the bulldozer that causes this 100% of the time on every chip sold yet this issue hasn't been acknowledged by AMD or anyone outside of some internet forums yet. I don't have a bulldozer to see it for myself, but from a troubleshooting perspective I would be inclined to think there may be something else going on here if AMD hasn't said anything about it yet.
 
i haven't had any issues in the games i play.

Of coarse people keep mentioning games i don't have. I guess i could download some demos to see if i have the same trouble. All of the games i have tested so far i have received better fps vs my old 1055t at 3.7ghz. The games i have tested are Call of duty Modern warfare 2, supreme commander 2, witcher 2, battlefield 3, Civilization 5, supreme commander forged alliance, grid, need for speed shift 2, call of duty black ops, Fall Out New Vegas, Dungeon Siege 3, portal 2. While not the most extensive list out there, certainly quite a few games.

Other than that though, i have had no issues whats so ever. Only issue i've had so far is trying to get 5ghz manageable. I have yet to do this, I hate fan noise. Cpu clocks to 5ghz just fine, runs just fine at it, but even my 920 liquid cooler cannot handle it with low fan speeds.

I might just bite the bullet and get some killer water cooling system.
 
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Wildace said:
it takes 20 seconds to twitter or post it a million other ways for people to see it and it takes no resources to tell us if they know about the problem and are fixing it.
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nah it takes the guy who writes the twitter a week of bothering an engineer. Engineers aint talking on twitter.
 
ebduncan said:
Other than that though, i have had no issues whats so ever. Only issue i've had so far is trying to get 5ghz manageable. I have yet to do this, I hate fan noise. Cpu clocks to 5ghz just fine, runs just fine at it, but even my 920 liquid cooler cannot handle it with low fan speeds.

I might just bite the bullet and get some killer water cooling system.
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Must be nice to hit 5ghz at all... I can't get past 4.7ghz stable.

Anyway, I would personally spend the water cooling money on a nice new 1155 motherboard and Sandy Bridge... Then you'll perform at stock like the 8120 still can't achieve overclocked and fan noise wont be any issue at all.
 
ebduncan said:
i haven't had any issues in the games i play.

Of coarse people keep mentioning games i don't have. I guess i could download some demos to see if i have the same trouble. All of the games i have tested so far i have received better fps vs my old 1055t at 3.7ghz. The games i have tested are Call of duty Modern warfare 2, supreme commander 2, witcher 2, battlefield 3, Civilization 5, supreme commander forged alliance, grid, need for speed shift 2, call of duty black ops, Fall Out New Vegas, Dungeon Siege 3, portal 2. While not the most extensive list out there, certainly quite a few games.

Other than that though, i have had no issues whats so ever. Only issue i've had so far is trying to get 5ghz manageable. I have yet to do this, I hate fan noise. Cpu clocks to 5ghz just fine, runs just fine at it, but even my 920 liquid cooler cannot handle it with low fan speeds.

I might just bite the bullet and get some killer water cooling system.
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I own most of the games you mentioned with the exception of CoD, Supreme Commander Forged Alliance, Fall Out, and NFS. I'm going to install Supreme Commander 2 to test in a couple hours. Portal 2 will load to the menus and BSOD.

Everything else runs perfectly and so much better on BD than my 555 BE it doesn't even feel like the same PC. Battlefield 3 is just silky smooth like a babies bottom. If I die all I can cry about is latency as I have the perfect PC to showcase the game.

Dungeon Siege 3 with a powerful cpu just feels seamless. On my 555 BE I thought it was seamless, but my video cards were being held back by the slower cpu.

Witcher 2 with the 2.0 patch is ridiculously beautiful and smooth with the 8120 installed. I only ran the tutorial, but it's silky smooth also!

I wish you had Total War Shogun or Deus Ex to try. I don't know why Portal 2 runs for you'll and not me though; that is perplexing. I have downloaded Steam from scratch and I still can't get it to run. But then again some in the thread if they use different bios's they can get Deus Ex to run so maybe that is the difference.

Just hoping for a fix soon!
 
I installed Supreme Commander 2 from back up files and it ran perfectly also. I ran the first campaign to test it.
 
krakerman said:
Jesus.
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About what my nephews and I said the first time we fired it up on my PC. :) I got team killed by an engineer when he dropped the facade of a building on my head and that was the most amazing thing they had ever seen. Three of my nephews and I ooh'd and awe'd at how I died and the fourth was amazed that I didn't lag at all when it occurred.

They are considering trading in BF3 on PS3 for Uncharted and grabbing the PC version if the problems with other games are fixed soon. They laughed at my chug-a-lug 555 BE all during the BF3 open beta and are amazed by it on my 8120. They don't want to fall into the same trap that I am in with the nonworking games, as in general we buy the same multiplayer games to compete against each other.
 
what are people using to check temps?

asus AI and speedfan for me show the same temps but they are also insanely high temps...

while core temp shows unreasonably low temps...

i have an h100 and ive lapped my 8120 and im using prolimatech pk1 pea method.

atm im at 1.3v 4.3ghz 241mhz bus 18x multi AI suite/speedfan shows 64c max temp and core temp shows 43c ambient is 73f or about 23c

so either i have some temp play room still or im already past it..
 
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statikregimen said:
I think he was referring to the part about AMD mis-binning their chips. Its one thing to state that you got 2 bad chip in a row, but to say AMD is making that huge of a mistake,while not impossible, is a little extreme. It could possibly be misleading to people.
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Ok so it's just a case of people not being able to read then. He didn't state definitively that they were miss-binning the chips. He didn't say "AMD is mis-binning these CPUs." He said he was "really thinking" that they were and then gave anecdotal evidence to support the idea that that might be the case. He is obviously speculating at that point. It's his guess - what he "thinks" is happening.

I'm really thinking that AMD is miss-binning FX-6100's and FX-4100's as FX-8120s, as I've only heard of these issues with the 8120(which you CAN buy) as opposed to with the 8150 (which is more rare than the GTX590 and the Radeon 6990).
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Wildace said:
what are people using to check temps?

asus AI and speedfan for me show the same temps but they are also insanely high temps...

while core temp shows unreasonably low temps...

i have an h100 and ive lapped my 8120 and im using prolimatech pk1 pea method.

atm im at 1.3v 4.3ghz 241mhz bus 18x multi AI suite/speedfan shows 64c max temp and core temp shows 43c

so either i have some temp play room still or im already past it..
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Asus AI. I feel sorry for whatever is under the VCore-1 and VCore-2 heatsink. They are in a fiery hell when I run stability tests as they regularly exceed 70c. Idling right now they are at 54c idling.

My cpu temps idle at 38c since I cut Cool n' Quiet back on and scavenged some better fans from some old builds. This is at stock voltage. The thermostat is set at 85f in the house as my mother is 74 years old and loves heat. So take that into consideration also. :)

200 x 21.0 = 4200
1.28750v

I can run @ 200 x 22.0 using stock voltage, but that's right at the fringe for stock voltage. I have a H50 and it just can't take what I want to give it, so I'll wait until I get a H100 to see what I can really do.

Turbo is disabled in the bios as it runs my voltage to ridiculous shit for no discernible reason or benefit.
 
beto said:
Ok so it's just a case of people not being able to read then. He didn't state definitively that they were miss-binning the chips. He didn't say "AMD is mis-binning these CPUs." He said he was "really thinking" that they were and then gave anecdotal evidence to support the idea that that might be the case. He is obviously speculating at that point. It's his guess - what he "thinks" is happening.
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beto, man....Your blood pressure. Relax. Nobody is dead or dying and nobody is hurting anybody. Its just the interwebz :D

Wildace said:
what are people using to check temps?

asus AI and speedfan for me show the same temps but they are also insanely high temps...

while core temp shows unreasonably low temps...

i have an h100 and ive lapped my 8120 and im using prolimatech pk1 pea method.

atm im at 1.3v 4.3ghz 241mhz bus 18x multi AI suite/speedfan shows 64c max temp and core temp shows 43c ambient is 73f or about 23c

so either i have some temp play room still or im already past it..
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Yea, i've been noticing this lately....I use Coretemp and MSI Control Center...Coretemp's idle temps are unreasonable (below room temp, on air...EDIT: although, come to think of it, I think that started after I turned Cool n Quiet back on), but load seems rational and within 1-2C of Control Center. On the other hand, BIOS always seems unreasonably high, but it also did with my 1100t, and several other people saying the same thing with this motherboard (sig).

Speedfan doesn't show any temps that make sense as a CPU temp, so guessing its not compatible with something. I pretty much just go with coretemp for day to day, since it can display in LCDSirreal on my G15 keyboard, but when stresstesting, I use MSI Control Center for verification. I figure, if two apps show the same thing, its as good as I can do. If it dies tomorrow, then f**** it - time for an Intel build.
 
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statikregimen said:
beto, man....Your blood pressure. Relax. Nobody is dead or dying and nobody is hurting anybody. Its just the interwebz :D
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Dude, you need to chill. Seriously, getting all worked up like that about someone else's post isn't good for you. Your momz would want you to chill bro.
 
beto said:
Dude, you need to chill. Seriously, getting all worked up like that about someone else's post isn't good for you. Your momz would want you to chill bro.
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lol...wut? I was just making a joke, because it seemed like you were getting awfully worked up over nothing :p
 
Michaelius said:
LOL he just told he he had done it multiple times.

Stop looking for excuses - BD is just a piece of shity which doesn't even work properly.
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Yes, exactly. When I asked him if he had installed it after putting in the new chip, he said he's reinstalled windows several times, and he's sick of doing it. But he didn't say he'd ever installed it AFTER putting the new chip in. That's not an answer to my question.
 
anubis44 said:
Yes, exactly. When I asked him if he had installed it after putting in the new chip, he said he's reinstalled windows several times, and he's sick of doing it. But he didn't say he'd ever installed it AFTER putting the new chip in. That's not an answer to my question.
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Ok. Let me explain set by step for those who have never installed Win 7 64 before.

First you need to load the most current bios with the old chip still in the system unless you want to do it in DOS. At this point the old Win 7 64 installation is still on my hard drive. At the end I am prompted to restart windows. Insert Win 7 64 disc into cd-rom at this point. Make sure that you click restart then.

Hold the power button so that the system actually shuts down instead of restarts. This is important because you don't want to pull the old cpu out with the computer running! Unplug the main power wire going into the wall.

Pull the motherboard's power wires and other wires off the board to keep from running the chance of shorting something out. Make sure you are wearing your antistatic wrist device! Unscrew the mounting system on the motherboard to make room for the H50's mounting system. Install the H50 mounting system and install the motherboard back into the case.

Swap out the cpus at this time. Use a 5mm drop of paste on the new cpu. Install the H50. Connect all wiring back to the motherboard.

Since you left the Win 7 64 disc in the cd-rom you feel smarter than 90% of other people. Start the PC, and you'll be prompted to set up the bios. Voila it shows an AMD 8120 and the new bios version! Check the speeds, disable Turbo, check memory speeds and timings. Set boot device priority. F10 to save and restart!

This time choose to boot off the Win 7 64 disc. This is important! When the disc starts to load, eventually you will be prompted to choose which device to install Win 7 64 on. Delete the partition and format the hard drive. This gives you an empty hard drive! Heck you can delete all hard drives in your system from this screen! Format and choose the hard drive to install Win 7 64 to. Very good opportunity name your PC something cool while you're doing this!

Watch paint dry or just start eating paint chips as your system installs Win 7 64 and restarts over and over. Dread downloading 207 Steam games that may or may not work with this new cpu! After awhile the system will start but can't access the internet, so you need to insert the driver cd that came with your motherboard. Install all of those except the bios as you did that earlier! You will be prompted to restart many times; this is just a test to see if you can handle the Bulldozer!!!!

Install 5 million Win 7 updates. Register Win 7 and you get to do 2.5 million more in SP1! Make sure you have an antivirus installed as the internet is full of trolls and noobs that want to infect your PC with shit. Install all new updated device drivers and you're ready for the next step!

Run a metric shit ton of stability tests as you download 20Gb Steam games. I mean stress that baby out for hours as you download the same fucking game that you know isn't going to work. Why does it have to be the damn 20Gb game? Why oh why!!!

After you download Total War: Shogun 2 install and test it out. Watch your PC BSOD within 5 seconds of hitting launch and restart your PC regardless of the fact you disabled the automatic restart. Open [H] forum and get asked over and over did you do a fresh install of Win 7 64 because AMD is Jesus and has never released a buggy bios or bad line of code!
 
Hope this helps someone in the thread!

Did more testing for kicks as I'm a glutton for punishment. Installed Asus bios 0705 and all of the games load! But they random BSOD the PC for no reason. Just running around in a game and poof restart. But I do get to see them which is a plus! 50 fps in the DoW II Retribution benchmark with everything maxxed without doing any tweaks.

But then I tried to watch some flash and more BSOD. And BF3 runs kinda crappy; definitely not as smooth (BSOD also). So it's back to 0810 where I can't play the bad games, but 0 errors elsewhere.

I think it's definitely a bios thing. And I noticed that different motherboard manufacturers don't seem to adhere to AMD's release schedule. So that's probably why some can "play" those games and others "can't".

Going to look more into the settings variance between the two bios. Maybe there's a setting on 0705 that will magically make it stable. I know that 0705 is missing many of the stability settings that would allow you to OC Bulldozer chips that 0810 has such as the ability to disable APM. At this point I'd take slower speeds with working games over smooth BF3 without those games.


Oh and I did not reinstall windows after I flashed the bios.

Edit:

Glancing at the bios for 0705 I notice that it has my memory set completely wrong. But it's 4am and I don't feel like messing with it tonight. Will experiment with getting those settings to match 0810 which works and passes stability tests. The memory settings for the 555BE + 0705 bios are nearly the same as 8120 + 0810 bios as best I can remember. FX 8120 + 0705 bios = some weird hodgepodge of settings. Probably why they upgraded it to 0810.

Another thing of note is that Steam makes me register my PC again after I flash the bios because my hardware changed. That's going from 0810 to 0705.
 
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After you download Total War: Shogun 2 install and test it out. Watch your PC BSOD within 5 seconds of hitting launch and restart your PC regardless of the fact you disabled the automatic restart. Open [H] forum and get asked over and over did you do a fresh install of Win 7 64 because AMD is Jesus and has never released a buggy bios or bad line of code!
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lol!! I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that, or it would be sprayed all over my monitor :D
 
statikregimen said:
lol!! I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything when I read that, or it would be sprayed all over my monitor :D
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I was in such a sarcastic mood last night; glad you got a kick out of it. I checked my memory this morning and it's set to Asus recommended settings by default in the 0810 bios. I'l going to flash back to the 0705 after some BF3 and try the Asus recommended settings there. Hopefully it has all the memory settings accessible.
 
On my motherboard, I have to set "DRAM Timing Mode" to either Linked or Unlinked (basically, linked means both modules are set the same, so I'm only presented with one set of timings; unlinked means I can set timings for each module individually) to unlock the "Advanced Dram Configuration" options (where I can set timings and other things). You sure its not something silly like that you overlooked?
 
statikregimen said:
On my motherboard, I have to set "DRAM Timing Mode" to either Linked or Unlinked (basically, linked means both modules are set the same, so I'm only presented with one set of timings; unlinked means I can set timings for each module individually) to unlock the "Advanced Dram Configuration" options (where I can set timings and other things). You sure its not something silly like that you overlooked?
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I'll check that out. Got a question for you. Can you get Saint Row The Third Initiation Station to load? I get the same BSOD before the game can launch. It's a free demo on the front of the Steam Page. I got an invite to the DOTA 2 beta but I'm going to turn it down as there is a 90% chance for it not to load.

Has anyone done a RMA with AMD? Do they cross ship? I still have a working 555 BE so all won't be lost, but I'd rather have access to the new chip before I send this one in. I hate going backwards.

Thanks!
 
cageymaru said:
I'll check that out. Got a question for you. Can you get Saint Row The Third Initiation Station to load? I get the same BSOD before the game can launch. It's a free demo on the front of the Steam Page. I got an invite to the DOTA 2 beta but I'm going to turn it down as there is a 90% chance for it not to load.

Has anyone done a RMA with AMD? Do they cross ship? I still have a working 555 BE so all won't be lost, but I'd rather have access to the new chip before I send this one in. I hate going backwards.

Thanks!
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I feel the need to ask this : what exactly are you trying to do with all these changes ? Get the CPU to work with all games ?

There is a bug in the CPU which is triggered by some games like Shogun. You can't fix that, it's up to AMD to fix either through microcode update or a new revision. I feel that all your BIOS changes, win reinstalls whatever are futile, since it is the CPU to blame.
 
cageymaru said:
I'll check that out. Got a question for you. Can you get Saint Row The Third Initiation Station to load? I get the same BSOD before the game can launch. It's a free demo on the front of the Steam Page. I got an invite to the DOTA 2 beta but I'm going to turn it down as there is a 90% chance for it not to load.

Has anyone done a RMA with AMD? Do they cross ship? I still have a working 555 BE so all won't be lost, but I'd rather have access to the new chip before I send this one in. I hate going backwards.

Thanks!
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Yea, I'll check it out...

savantu said:
I feel the need to ask this : what exactly are you trying to do with all these changes ? Get the CPU to work with all games ?

There is a bug in the CPU which is triggered by some games like Shogun. You can't fix that, it's up to AMD to fix either through microcode update or a new revision. I feel that all your BIOS changes, win reinstalls whatever are futile, since it is the CPU to blame.
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AFAIK, it has not been officially stated by AMD that there is a bug in the CPU itself....Irregardless, a lot of times, the community of users finds solutions to these sorts of problems long before the manufacturer. We can't do f**k all while we wait anyway, so doesn't hurt to try.
 
statikregimen said:
Yea, I'll check it out...



AFAIK, it has not been officially stated by AMD that there is a bug in the CPU itself....Irregardless, a lot of times, the community of users finds solutions to these sorts of problems long before the manufacturer. We can't do f**k all while we wait anyway, so doesn't hurt to try.
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It is.

En effet, sur ce processeur le jeu plante au démarrage, bug que nous avons remonté à AMD. AMD a pu le reproduire et travaille à un correctif.
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Translation : AMD was able to reproduce the situation and is working on a fix.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/842-22/jeux-3d-total-war-shogun-2-starcraft-ii-anno-1404.html

Other sites have reported the same issue and contacted AMD.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/9

The processor deadlocks when running that code sequence => you can play however much you want with RAM, BIOS, boards, etc, it won't do anything. It's a CPU bug.
 
Well I figured that maybe there was a hope for it since some of the guys are able to play those games in a crippled state. The Saint's Row demo is free so I figured it wouldn't hurt to see if it did it with other user's systems. I really wanted to try the DOTA 2 Beta but if it's just going to crash most likely, it's pointless to accept the invite.

Never bought a piece of "high end" hardware and been more depressed in my life.
 
savantu said:
It is.



Translation : AMD was able to reproduce the situation and is working on a fix.

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/842-22/jeux-3d-total-war-shogun-2-starcraft-ii-anno-1404.html

Other sites have reported the same issue and contacted AMD.

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2011/10/12/amd-fx-8150-review/9

The processor deadlocks when running that code sequence => you can play however much you want with RAM, BIOS, boards, etc, it won't do anything. It's a CPU bug.
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I/we are aware of the fact that AMD is able to reproduce the issue, and acknowledged as such, but there is still no official AMD announcement that states, "Yes, we have found a bug in the CPU"....Right now, we are left at, "They are working on a fix for it". So, going by that, seems like a workaround is possible via software or BIOS, and if not, I'm sure they'll let us know, eventually. In the mean time, we tinker. As I said: what else do we have to do while we wait to hear what AMD aims to do about this?
 
Seeing that this seems to affect steam games....


...do the problems go away if you disable the steam overlay?
 
Zarathustra[H];1037967134 said:
Seeing that this seems to affect steam games....


...do the problems go away if you disable the steam overlay?
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tbh, I don't think I've tried that yet - I'll check it out...What's odd is that I don't get the BSOD in any of the games that I've been able to try, so far, that OP (and many others) are getting. I've found most people get BSOD, but only a few get my symptoms (insanely low performance).

I mean, I've had a few BSODs with this build, but 99-100% of them, I can easily trace back to either graphics driver crash or my SSD stalling.
 
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