Galaxy S5 way better than expected

mi7chy said:
S5's fingerprint stripe is more secure since the swiping action doesn't leave a whole fingerprint that can be lifted like on the 5S which renders it useless. Furthermore, all the other features combined like display quality and usable size, battery life, performance, 802.11ac, better and more stable OS, Google service integration, expandable storage, removable battery, Smark Dock, etc. puts the S5 further ahead.
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Those fingerprint claims have already been completely discredited, so please drop them so you don't look anymore foolish, alright?

As for the rest of it... well, I'd like to see what the GS5 is like in a real review, rather than just rattling off the spec sheet.
 
I'm pretty sure the fingerprint scanner is more about convenience than security. Which makes the iPhone's implementation a bit better because trying to swipe your thumb on a big phone like the GS5 is going to be pretty awkward with one hand. I'll be willing to bet that the accuracy/reliability of it is noticeably lower than the iPhone's too.
 
I agree, the iPhone has dedicated hardware for it and I don't think Samsung does.

My note 3 has an app for a finger print scanner.
 
mi7chy said:
Sticking your head in the dirt again to avoid reality. iPhone 5S compromised in two days after it went on sale by a hobby group so that makes it useless as a security device.

http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid
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We already went over this -- you clearly have bad memory, on top of bad logic. To summarize: the CCC's solution requires an ideal set of circumstances (a usable print, resources, time), and it believes all biometric security is flawed and a tool of oppression. In other words, if you accept the CCC's point of view without question, you must also boycott both the Galaxy S5 and (presumably) the Note 4. No exceptions.
 
MrCrispy said:
I hope it sells like hotcakes. Samsung is in big trouble thanks to biased US court system, idiot jurors, US govt and USPTO ready to lie and bail out Apple, and illegal patents and court cases filed by Apple.
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I hope it flies of the shelves too. My company has quite a few chips in there (worked on some of them) :D
 
mi7chy said:
Sticking your head in the dirt again to avoid reality. iPhone 5S compromised in two days after it went on sale by a hobby group so that makes it useless as a security device.

http://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2013/ccc-breaks-apple-touchid
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Aurelius said:
We already went over this -- you clearly have bad memory, on top of bad logic. To summarize: the CCC's solution requires an ideal set of circumstances (a usable print, resources, time), and it believes all biometric security is flawed and a tool of oppression. In other words, if you accept the CCC's point of view without question, you must also boycott both the Galaxy S5 and (presumably) the Note 4. No exceptions.
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Meh. Who cares.

Unless you're involved heavily in NDAs and know way too much about things no one else is supposed to know....no one gives a shit what info is inside your phone.

Most thieves just want the hardware and couldn't give a shit about your data.
 
Skripka said:
Meh. Who cares.

Unless you're involved heavily in NDAs and know way too much about things no one else is supposed to know....no one gives a shit what info is inside your phone.

Most thieves just want the hardware and couldn't give a shit about your data.
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There is a slight concern about privacy, but I think you've hit an important nail on the head. Mi7chy is trying to justify his hatred and insecurity about platform choices by making a boogeyman out of a non-issue. The iPhone 5s' reader is vulnerable in one unlikely and impractical scenario; therefore, according to him, it's "useless" and a gigantic danger to your information.

Get past the myths and hyperbole, and the simple reality is that having an easy-to-use fingerprint reader is handy for dissuading both street thieves and people who'd casually snoop on your phone (even if it's just a nosy friend). It gets people to secure their phones where they wouldn't have locked down anything in the past. Hopefully the Galaxy S5 has that effect as well, although it requires considerably more precision to work.
 
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I think because it's software based it's not nearly as finesse, but we will see. I'm glad it's finally catching on, both Motorola and Palm have tried to get biometric scanners in mobile devices for a while now.
 
aurelius doesn't like to debate facts but rather show his iTroll tendencies pumping iPhone and spreading FUD in a Galaxy S5 thread. When he's presented with facts he likes to run away and bury his head in the dirt blaming others for Apple hatred. What he doesn't mention is he's aware that I own several Apple products from as far back as the 80's plus I don't go pumping the S5 in iPhone 6 thread.

Anyhow, with security you have a choice of easier or more secure but not both. iPhone 5S might be a little easier but no company outside of Apple has adopted it so it's useless other than for purchasing apps and music on Apple. It's unlikely any other company will adopt it due to the fact that it's been easily compromised and they won't take the liability risk and insurance companies won't insure them so it'll likely end up as a niche at best with ~10% world marketshare.

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On the other hand, Samsung's solution has the trust and is approved by the FIDO alliance for open international online authentication standard. Members of the FIDO alliance include PayPal, the first service to use this fingerprint technology, along with other heavyweights such as Mastercard, Discover, Google, RSA, Microsoft, Netflix and more.

https://fidoalliance.org/membership/members

https://fidoalliance.org/news/item/the-fido-alliance-announces-first-authentication-deployment-paypal-samsung

Advice for aurelius. Leave FUD and emotion out of the discussions.
 
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Ad hominem attacks are the tools of the weak. Show some class when making an argument.

Looking at your post:
1. People will use biometrics when it's easy and accessible, not because the FIDO alliance that few actual users track tells them to. Laptops have had fingerprint scanners for ages, and few users and enterprises use them. Not because they aren't safe, but because they are not easy.

2. Samsung is just part of the Android market, and an even smaller percentage of that uses fingerprinting technology. Apple's solution is as accessible as Apple's for all manufacturers to use, so I don't understand the point of your graph.

3. Apple seems to be a lot closer to 20% than 10%, and your use of a cute little "~" doesn't excuse your biasing of the data.
 
Exactly. Mi7chy, you don't seem to understand: my issue is that your facts... well, typically aren't. You cherry pick what you want to believe, and exaggerate if reality doesn't line up with your agenda (as Paradoxex just proved earlier). Owning Apple gear doesn't mean you don't have an axe to grind... you clearly do.

Also, the iPhone 5s is the main reason the GS5 even has a fingerprint reader, so yes, it's entirely relevant to the discussion. And even if it wasn't the inspiration, it's going to be the obvious point of comparison for just about everyone.
 
this new improved screen...
it's getting me excited for note 4 rather than s5
 
Aurelius said:
Also, the iPhone 5s is the main reason the GS5 even has a fingerprint reader
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Wrong unless you want to overlook the HP iPaq H5400 with fingerprint from ~2002. Even though iPhone 5S had over a decade to get it right it still gets compromised in just two days after all the prerelease hype. Furthermore, there's zero industry adoption for Apple's proprietary solution so it's no comparison.

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Nvm. Not getting involved here anymore.
 
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mi7chy said:
Wrong unless you want to overlook the HP iPaq H5400 with fingerprint from ~2002. Even though iPhone 5S had over a decade to get it right it still gets compromised in just two days after all the prerelease hype. Furthermore, there's zero industry adoption for Apple's proprietary solution so it's no comparison.
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Selective reading again. I'm not saying that there were never fingerprint readers in phones before now -- I'm saying that the GS5's reader is a direct response.

Also, zero industry adoption? Right now, there's several dozen million iPhones in people's hands that support Touch ID, and that number is likely to get a lot larger when more iOS devices come onboard. That easily gives it more influence than options from every manufacturer that isn't Samsung... and right now, the GS5 is barely available in South Korea, with no real third-party support. The official April 11th launch will change the sales numbers, of course, but it's presuming a lot to say that the standards the GS5 are using will get a lot of traction. I prefer real-world numbers over theoreticals.

Anyway, can we please focus on the GS5? The first big-name reviews are about to hit this week, so I'm interested in how well the phone works in practice.
 
Just like 64-bit ARMv8 the industry is headed in that direction anyway with an international open standard for fingerprint. Apple jumped the gun on both when they're not prime. Samsung just doesn't create the FIDO consortium and influence Synaptics to create the fingerprint technology, test and release to production relatively overnight in response when it's not even a FIDO member. That sounds as silly as claiming HP released a x86-64 device in response to Dell when in reality the industry was moving in that direction anyway.

iPhone 5S, the only model with Touch ID, accounts for only 10 to 20% of all iPhones according to Fiksu and Mixpanel. So, that's 10-20% of ~10% worldwide marketshare. Name one industry recognized company outside of Apple that's using it for online transaction authentication? Zero.

On the other hand, FIDO members that make phones include Google, Microsoft (Nokia), LG, Lenovo, Blackberry and non-members Samsung and perhaps others.
 
mi7chy said:
Just like 64-bit ARMv8 the industry is headed in that direction anyway with an international open standard for fingerprint. Apple jumped the gun on both when they're not prime. Samsung just doesn't create the FIDO consortium and influence Synaptics to create the fingerprint technology, test and release to production relatively overnight in response when it's not even a FIDO member. That sounds as silly as claiming HP released a x86-64 device in response to Dell when in reality the industry was moving in that direction anyway.

iPhone 5S, the only model with Touch ID, accounts for only 10 to 20% of all iPhones according to Fiksu and Mixpanel. So, that's 10-20% of ~10% worldwide marketshare. Name one industry recognized company outside of Apple that's using it for online transaction authentication? Zero.

On the other hand, FIDO members that make phones include Google, Microsoft (Nokia), LG, Lenovo, Blackberry and non-members Samsung and perhaps others.
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This strikes me as a bit of an "apart from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?" response.

Apple is the only one using Touch ID, of course, and that inherently limits its scope. However, Apple is one of the world's most successful companies. iTunes is the world's largest downloadable media store. Even if 'just' 10-20% of iPhones (out of 500 million-plus) are iPhone 5s units, that still means that it has both a large influence and the potential for a lot more.

FIDO is important, but it would require the adoption of Apple or Samsung to gain significant traction. I'm reminded of the problems with NFC payment. Google got behind it, carriers got behind it, a few OEMs got behind it... but it hasn't gained widespread use outside of countries that were already big on contactless payment, like Japan. It's not enough for companies to join a standards group and pat each other on the back for a job well done; the technology and its partners have to be big enough that the public is both likely to see the technology and want to use it.
 
mi7chy said:
better and more stable OS, Google service integration, expandable storage, removable battery, Smark Dock, etc. puts the S5 further ahead.
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err... Sounds like another shill who has been hiding for a while...
 
The S5 pictures looks similar to the ones the note 3 takes, which are pretty awesome shots.
 
Every time I read about camera comparisons I really ask myself whether I am just the odd one out in not actually using my phone camera much. I just checked my Lumia 800 and in 2 years I took 163 pictures, most of which are pictures of server service tags, rack locations, or cabling. I have maybe 20-30 non-work related pics on there.

The Lumia 800 camera is shit for anything other than well lit outdoor shots, so maybe if the camera would be better I'd be taking more pics, but probably not. If anything I need a phone that does macro shots well where you can actually read service tags.

This makes me wonder whether the obsession with camera megapix and image quality is just a matter of folks liking the thought that they have a good camera but in reality it just doesn't matter at all.
 
Yeah, I never understood it either. Everyone always said the iPhone 5 has a great camera(when it came out), and I thought it was pretty "meh" when I used it to take pictures in Europe. It's not a feature that seems very meaningful, since you will still require a dedicated camera to take any good pictures.
 
xIronCrossx said:
Yeah, I never understood it either. Everyone always said the iPhone 5 has a great camera(when it came out), and I thought it was pretty "meh" when I used it to take pictures in Europe. It's not a feature that seems very meaningful, since you will still require a dedicated camera to take any good pictures.
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Depends on what the camera is used for. My pictures get up loaded to my pc when I'm hooked up to Wi-Fi, I also use them a lot for local viewing.

I don't really care that my phones camera is 13mp, but this 13mp camera sure does take some pretty Damn good pictures.
 
Trimlock said:
Depends on what the camera is used for. My pictures get up loaded to my pc when I'm hooked up to Wi-Fi, I also use them a lot for local viewing.

I don't really care that my phones camera is 13mp, but this 13mp camera sure does take some pretty Damn good pictures.
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Yup...last time I went touristing I needed to pack light and only packed the camera that was built into my Note2. For being a shitty camera in a smartphone...it takes damn good photos if you know how to compose a an image.

Also a hell of a lot less hassle to carry around than a DSLR for casual photos.
 
Skripka said:
Yup...last time I went touristing I needed to pack light and only packed the camera that was built into my Note2. For being a shitty camera in a smartphone...it takes damn good photos if you know how to compose a an image.

Also a hell of a lot less hassle to carry around than a DSLR for casual photos.
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Yea, the DSLR almost never gets packed anymore.
 
99.9% of people will take better pictures with a smartphone vs DSLR, even if they learnt all the settings on their cameras.
 
Love my galaxy s4, if the s5 is really good I may upgrade?

Personally I prefer android phones to iphones, more control and options with android than with ifuns.

Just my personal opinion.
 
Phone cameras are pure trash. I think people are confusing photo quality with the experience of taking a photo.
 
EVIL-SCOTSMAN said:
Love my galaxy s4, if the s5 is really good I may upgrade?

Personally I prefer android phones to iphones, more control and options with android than with ifuns.

Just my personal opinion.
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If you're happy with your GS4, don't upgrade. You'll get to save that money for a GS6 when the time comes.
 
Megalith said:
Phone cameras are pure trash. I think people are confusing photo quality with the experience of taking a photo.
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Gotta disagree. You can take exceptional photos with a smartphone, if you know composition and get good lighting (smartphones typically falter quickest in low light). Besides, the point is to have something that can take pictures in situations where a big camera isn't practical or socially acceptable.
 
M8 has absolutely no lag and display washed ot? It might not be the most accurate but it is sharp as hell. I have tried it out and those 2 things just sound very bias, even though I would pick the s5, M8 has no performance lag. I just hate HTC for slapping the same ultrapixel camera. Not that I care for camera much on a phone, it's just the principle of slapping the same camera.
 
Megalith said:
Phone cameras are pure trash. I think people are confusing photo quality with the experience of taking a photo.
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It could go either way, I need a fast shutter speed (or processing speed) since my 2 year old can go from 0 to 90 in zero seconds. Some of my shots are terrible but if I have a moment my phone can capture some nice shots, where previous phones couldn't, includingmy wife's iPhone 5S.
 
MrCrispy said:
99.9% of people will take better pictures with a smartphone vs DSLR, even if they learnt all the settings on their cameras.
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The majority of them will add silly filters as well to make them "look good"
 
I'd rather get the S5 over the One M8, but with the U.S. Carriers + Samsung being Nazis, and no custom Recovery allowed, only basic rooting, which isn't even available yet, I have to pass on the S5.

And where is Samsung's GPE S5 ? HTC made a GPE One M8 right away at launch, and with the One M8 being so open, you can now flash the GPE ROM on a carrier bought version. S5 will take quite awhile to get a AOSP or Nexus type ROM.

I just can't support and buy the S5 if no ROM'ing coming, like my S4, it's a good phone, but sucks balls with no true ROM's, and not the SafeStrap stuff, that's not the same.

A stock out of the box Android phone from a carrier, sucks balls. They have so much bloatware and useless apps included, that slow down the phone, and effect battery life. You have to at least root a new Android phone to remove most of that garbage, plus install root only apps like AdAway, and Greenify, etc...

The One M8 is so tempting now, because as of this weekend S-Off has been achieved, you can root it, unlock it, install custom Recovery, and now the GPE ROM is out and working perfectly.
 
Zorachus said:
The One M8 is so tempting now, because as of this weekend S-Off has been achieved, you can root it, unlock it, install custom Recovery, and now the GPE ROM is out and working perfectly.
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you could do all that even without s-off on the HTC One. S-Off's only useful function on it is allowing radio programming, which 99.999999% aren't going to be doing due to the 4G radios being carrier specific.

HTC smartly moved all the necessary developer/customization options off the S-lock in the m7 days.
 
Battery life tests on the S5, compared to the One M8, and older S4.

http://anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/5

The One M8 is just slightly better, with a little bit longer battery life over the S5. But the S5 compared to last years S4 is a massive improvement in battery life. If you liked the S4, the S5 really is a pretty big improvement, with significantly better battery life, and way brighter screen, with better whites, and much better outdoor viewing on the S5 compared to the S4. And Touchwiz has been improved the most since the Galaxy S2.
 
Zorachus said:
Battery life tests on the S5, compared to the One M8, and older S4.

http://anandtech.com/show/7903/samsung-galaxy-s-5-review/5

The One M8 is just slightly better, with a little bit longer battery life over the S5. But the S5 compared to last years S4 is a massive improvement in battery life. If you liked the S4, the S5 really is a pretty big improvement, with significantly better battery life, and way brighter screen, with better whites, and much better outdoor viewing on the S5 compared to the S4. And Touchwiz has been improved the most since the Galaxy S2.
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I wonder what the touch latency is. Evidently, the One took the crown with 45ms touch latency, but they haven't tested the GS5 or Sony Z2 yet. Another victory over Apple! Android now needs more hardware optimization.
 
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