this is tothegardentool, I love that game, still play actually. Anyhow, for all reasons like this, this is why I simply buy at wallmart. The other day I went into EBgames to pick up WindWaker b/c walmart didn't have a copy and I bought a new version. Well, the dude was trying to push me into buying a used copy and I said no, b/c the new one was only $2 more. I'll be damned when I got home and looked at the disc if it didn't have smudges and a few scratched on it. Nothing I could do at this point, b/c I had taken it home already... Why people hate walmart so much, I'll never know