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Discussion in 'Video Cards' started by Stoly, Jun 3, 2015.
You're living in the past, babygirl.
I miss Aureal too.
Oh yes...Nvidia doesn't do this ever....not at all....
It is simple , PS4 and Xbox1 have an AMD APU without it it will not work. You keep ignoring this and you are stating that Sony and MS don't need AMD , then what are they going to use in their PS4 and Xbox1?
So when AMD goes bankrupt tomorrow a "contract" appears which says well thank you AMD well take your chips for free now (does not really sound plausible when your partners are racking in the money, does it?).
And this non stop nonsense you keep writing calling me a good politician , I find that very offensive.
You can not stick to the facts , AMD APU in both consoles , no AMD APU in both consoles and it will not work.
If you have something to say about it show me 5 examples of products where Sony and Microsoft can get comparable performance from and without having to redo the whole SDK.
They could have gone to another vendor or made it themselves, they probably are taking advantage of AMD and the situation AMD has been in since the ATi buyout.
err yeah have you heard of contract provisions before.
Actually in a situation like this with IP's tied to hardware, There can be a clause based on bankrupcy that MS and Sony and Nintendo pays AMD a certain amount of money and they buy the chip, if they don't already have the out right rights.
I think you don't understand why or how such things happen because you don't know how hard these companies well any company protects their interests.
You should take offense I should too because when someone who starts of with comments about consoles markets being billions of dollars and starts pulling other sh*t out that didn't belong in the original argument. Its means to undermine an argument by discrediting facts with fallacies.
yeah ok lol I have been showing you facts even against your strawman statements..... I have not seen you provide even one link or good hypothesis based on financial situation so far. All my comments are counter to your statements, I didn't make any new arguments on my own.
LOL, just go one generation up in Intel CPU's and the one gen up with the GPU's, ya know what when the PS4 and Xbox one was released next gen cards were already available. Also the SDK would have been done after the OS and and actual hardware was done, so you can't really put the SDK as the egg and the rest as the chicken. And my original statement with the 5 years of console life, I was taking about next gen consoles, MS and Sony already have what they want from AMD that was the design of the chip, they don't need anything more from them because by contract AMD is tied to them as they are to AMD. There has to be bankrupt provisions from both sides in a contract when licensing and IP rights are involved. Its standard practice.
another way is that...
But this is a risk neither MS or Sony would take, I wouldn't if I was using someone else's IP's, I know when the company I worked for licensed the Cry engine we had bankruptcy clauses on both sides,
Did you folks see this chart? legit?
yes it might be legit.
Doubtful. These "benchmarks" always come out a couple/few weeks prior to the official reviews and are more often than not way off.
The picture underneath coincides with a real benchmark on futuremark's site, they or their source probably has the card.
10% faster than an overclocked 980. Are they planning on selling it for $400? Also Crossfire seems to be broken as usual (no ultra bench).
Faster than 980Ti.
CF scales better than Titan X SLI.
Where does it say that CF is broken?
Come back to reality.
I am quite curious how will you react if the new cards curbstomp Nvidias lineup?
Did you notice that CF had only 1 test completed and not 2? My guess is drivers as always.
SLI doesn't work for shit either. Single card solutions are far more functional.
don't feed the troll
Expect to hear about heat, power consumption, noise (air cooled edition), price. And if everything else fails, drivers.
Has it occurred to you VC couldn't find any leaks in Futuremark's database?
If a post is so stupid it doesn't deserve a response, then you really don't need to respond to it...
I will sell my skyrocketing AMD stock and buy into Burlington Coat Factory because Hell
would have to be freezing over
Even a successful GPU launch won't save AMDs stock. My 2.50 shares ain't going nowhere anytime soon. Lets hope for Zen!
damnit got a good deal for a Gigabyte G1 980ti...must...resist
lol.. the 980ti and TitanX are also 10% faster than an OC'd 980, how much do they sell for again?
You shouldn't throw stones Prime1, specially when you live in giant green glass house
I really don't understand fanatics of tech companies that find it necessary to constantly rag on the competition. Without competition, none of the products you buy from your favorite company would exist. Competition drives innovation. Just be glad that AMD is still providing new products, and enjoy the lower prices on NVidia products as a result.
It's much easier to give in to confirmation bias rather than think objectively.
The best part about being decisively on the middle-ground, you get called an AMD fanboy and Nvidia fanboy on alternating days. Everybody hates you equally. I've been called an AMD and Nvidia fanboy, at the same time, in the same thread on Reddit.
It's just the PS4 vs XBO debate in video card form.
Blue vs green... Red vs green...
Everyone vs green
My AMD Lineup Prediction...
$700 - Fury X W/C - Full Fiji w/ 4GB HBM & W/C (beats Titan X @ big OC)
$650 - Fury X Air - Full Fiji w/ 4GB HBM (beats Titan X)
$500 - Fury 'Pro' - Cut Fiji w/ 4GB HBM (destroys 980, closer to 980ti)
$390 - r9 390x - Enhanced Hawaii/Granada w/ 8GB (980 competitor)
$330 - r9 390 - Cut Hawaii/Granada w/ 8GB (beats 970, closer to 980)
$250 - r9 380 - Full Tonga w/ 4GB (destroys 960, closer to 970)
$200 - r9 380 - Full Tonga w/ 2GB (destroys 960)
I expect 390x/390 will comprise of a Hawaii 'XTX' and a Hawaii XT (390x from XT to XTX, and 390 from Pro to XT). For example, I expect a 390(non-x) will beat a 290x and run similar specs... On goflo for better efficiency, allowing for a clock bump with lower power/thermals...
The 380 I expect to be a Full Tonga XT (over 285s Tonga Pro) with 2 or 4 GB like the m295x (not 3 or 6GB as is speculated to be needed to represent a Tonga XT)... Also on goflo, allowing for a clock bump with lower power/thermals...
And I still expect a Fiji VR card with 2 GPUs sometime in the future!
I wonder if a dual Fiji card would both require water cooling and if a single 120mm rad would be enough, or if it would expand to a larger size rad.
295X2 was a single 120mm radiator, so assuming Fiji is roughly the same power envelope they will likely keep it with a 120mm rad. Using a 240 would probably cost them sales from people who can't fit another radiator in their case.
No, Fiji uses less power than 295X2.
If you run a single 120 rad, chances are you will need dual fans to keep it cool. A single 120mm is sufficient for 295X2 but dual fiji is likely to consume more power than a single 295x2 so you will need a thick 120mm rad and 2 fans.
Do you just pull shit out of thin air and go with it? Its like people make shit up as they go and stick with it.
Fiji top end Nano/XT model tops out at 300 watts, 10w more than 290x while being 55% faster than a 290x from what we've seen. So if you do the math, a dual Fiji will come in at the same level as 295x2 while being almost 100% faster. 295 consumes 600watts of power give or take...
AMD Radeon Fury X rumored to be limited to just 30,000 units for 2015
Wasn't it you who posted an article from Extremetech in the 390X thread that said the HBM shortage was a myth?
In any case, according to Lisa Su the decision to go with HBM was made 18 months ago, and there are no "production or technology limitations".
With limited supply it could be equal to the 980 ti and still sell out at 850$ for all the freesync and amd fanboys.
You really believe there are anywhere near 30,000 fanbois left?
Why do you have to be a fan boy to purchase one?
bc if they sold it for $850 and it was equal to the 980 ti (for $650) then you'd have to be a little unhinged to pay $200 for nothing
I agree, but in that case 30,000 really wouldn't be limited supply would it?
Btw found TS's post about the Extremetech article:
So now we have contradictory rumors, as well as the CEO's statement that also directly contradicts the TT article lol
Too bad Freesync is such garbage. I might actually want to go back to AMD for cheap performance but G-sync and timely driver releases have me spoiled.