some of us actually want the Fury to succeed because we would prefer to fork over our hard earned cash to a company that isn't hell bent on proprietary tech and squeezing every last cent from their customer base, but AMD is making it extremely difficult right now. This is the last straw for alot of us if this launch turns out to be another Bulldozer. AMD could easily squash all these negative rumors and put an end to these type of threads if they only released some sort of performance leaks instead of more of the same bold claims without any 'real' data to back it up.
It if was faster and we knew Nvidia was going to release the Ti, they could have leaked a slide with performance numbers that shows it can beat a Titan X.
Right there, AMD would have placed a hold on Ti sales. But they didn't, so all of the people that had their money ready has purchased a Ti.
Now AMD will only have the price sensitive crowd to buy their product, crying about if it was $50-100 cheaper they would buy it, but now they rather wait for some unannounced future card.
Nvidia knows how to separate it's fans form their money.
Yup. My last 2 GPUs were NVidia, and while I am in no way disappointed in them, I would rather spend my next purchase with a company I think is doing more for gaming and PCs... Unless AMD completely tanks it, I will likely be grabbing a 390x soon.
again, this is YOUR opinion. No one has the slighest idea what their strategy is, except them.
when you run a muli-billion dollar compnay, it might mean something.
Yea and if a sub multi-billion dollar company beats Nvidia and regains the performance crown what are you going to say then? Can't even beat a company with no money that is going out of business. Shameful and embarrassing for Nvidia don't you think?At their current stock price AMD has a market cap of less than 2 billion, so they are no longer a "multi-billion" company.
At their current stock price AMD has a market cap of less than 2 billion, so they are no longer a "multi-billion" company.
The silence is deafening. 980ti launches and not even a leaked benchmark. I'm racking my brain and can't think of one good reason why AMD would hold out another 2 weeks unless the Fury is a flop. Maybe if the 980ti wasn't actually being sold in stores at the moment then the extra 2 weeks of suspense buildup might make sense, but why give your competitor an open field without any attempt to persuade them to double think their purchase.
What if the performance is better or equal to Titan x but the added cost of HBM doesn't allow AMD to price it competitively and the pricing of the 980ti caught them flat footed?
I don't think this surprised AMD. At least it shouldn't have. Most of [H] knew what was coming. Now they could be a pickle where their price/perf doesn't make sense but it shouldn't be surprising.
Update June 1, 2015 @ 7am: We got this one really wrong, we had several sets of specs sent to us with the clocks and a few other bits and we jumped to a conclusion that was wrong. There was a GM204 based GTX980Ti on the roadmaps last fall that Nvidia did not release for competitive reasons, and we assumed this was it. We were wrong, sorry about that. SemiAccurate needs at least two sources before publishing and while we had them this time, we screwed up badly on the bits that were not on the spec sheets. In penance I will be walking all over Taipei in the blistering heat and humidity until I learn. It may take a while.
What makes more sense from Nvidia's perspective? Either:
a.) If they feel that the 980Ti isn't competitive with AMD's top-tier card, they release it ASAP in an attempt to sell as many as possible before it's too late.
b.) If they are confident that the 980Ti is clearly superior, they wait until just a few days before AMD launches their card to COMPLETELY upstage the Radeon.
I realize that some people are ready to buy something, and there is money to be made, but if I'm Nvidia, and I feel I've got the upper-hand, it sure seems like waiting until just before AMD is ready to launch would be the way to go.
I'm not interested in buying either, but if Nvidia knows it really does have the better card this time around it seems a little odd to me that they would release it now.
No shit, I care about frames/dollar, whatever can get me my desired minimum framerate at 3K resolution for the least of my hard earned money while being quiet.look. If it wont beat a 980ti... price it at 399 and ill go buy it over a 980ti lol
Depending how it OC's you're better off with a 980.No shit, I care about frames/dollar, whatever can get me my desired minimum framerate at 3K resolution for the least of my hard earned money while being quiet.
If the card is 10% slower than a 980Ti but 25% cheaper, its a no brainer IMO.
But we don't know for sure if HBM memory is a game changer, where you can do more with less.Any flagship card has to have 6-8gigs minimum now. The push towards 4k gaming is changing the hardware requirements upwards.
I don't understand why people cant just wait a month then make an informed decision. Haven't been team green sense the GTX 8800 but this might be the year, glad I didnt lock myself on one side with a monitor purchase... which is bull btw
This is no surprise. AMD can't get drivers to perform now ... what makes you think the next gen cards are going to be any better ?
-blind faith? Their new GM going to perform some gpu driver miracles ?... this I got to see .
^wow like Nvidia never has driver issues.... they are the only ones in the HISTORY of video cards that released a driver that caused fans to turn off and cards to burn up in the process....
I could believe this, what price point will AMD offer it.
And amd is the only company that severly ignores pci-e specs in the making of the glorious 295X2 that can potentially burn your house down. Ignorance is bliss, letting connectors that are rated for 85 degree centigrade running at 90 won't be a problem at all. Running a 550W cards using 375W rated connector is just fine.
What driver issues? Are you talking about broken multiple card drivers? They are broken on both Nvidia and AMD when talking SLi and CrossfireX. Unless you're a fanboy you would know this. That's why real world users from both camps tell you to buy the fastest single card you can afford and be happy.
Single card works great on AMD unless you're talking about a GameWorks game. Then you have to wait a few days for AMD to workaround Nvidia's proprietary crap. If Nvidia didn't encrypt the libraries then AMD users could get superior performance to the complimentary Nvidia card from day one. GameWorks is Nvidia's way of staying relevant.
If you're talking about something else then you need to elaborate more.
Do you even read the link I posted and the link you posted? The connectors are rated for 85 deg C and fully loaded the Titan Z's connectors temp. is below that while the 295X2's is above that. That's pretty difficult to explain right? Since the Titan Z consumes almost a hundred watts less.
And you're wrong. The other two pins are not ground. One of them is 12v sense which help the card detect if someone like you decide to plug a 6 pin into an 8 pin and call it a day since the 2 extra pins are just bollocks.
Yes, perfomance wise, Titan Z is inferior to 295X2, there are no arguments on that. And I said almost a hundred watts not 100w so here you go: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...6869-nvidia-titan-z-performance-review-3.htmlPlease show me one review with the TitanZ pulling 100w less.
You are correct about that extra two pins not being grounds, I apologize. There is some incorrect documentation/diagrams floating around out there.
Edit- There is a reason Nvidia didn't send out Titan Z to reviewers...
When an engineer build something, he would build it for the worst case scenario, of course within reason. I see Furmark as a reasonable stress testing to measure worst case scenario of cooling system and power supply.Furmark is a bullshit test and I wouldn't accurately rate anything based on that.
Yes, perfomance wise, Titan Z is inferior to 295X2, there are no arguments on that. And I said almost a hundred watts not 100w so here you go: http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...6869-nvidia-titan-z-performance-review-3.html
Please re read my post above since I added the official specs and the Titan Z met the PCI-E specs on TDP.
That's why Nvidia throttles Furmark, right?When an engineer build something, he would build it for the worst case scenario, of course within reason. I see Furmark as a reasonable stress testing to measure worst case scenario of cooling system and power supply.