Pieter3dnow
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I never seen a [H] videocard review where the score was lowered or not gotten out of spite. So why would [H] start doing it now ?
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From ATI to AMD back to ATI? A Journey in Futility @ [H]
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I never seen a [H] videocard review where the score was lowered or not gotten out of spite. So why would [H] start doing it now ?
Lunas
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I had to double check if this was a megalith post...
Amd has plenty of harpoons as it were.
Polaris faked benches are placing the mid range cards at 1080 speeds... Keep in mind 1080 is supposed to be a flag ship top end card from nvidia If the benches are close where will the 490 and 490x sit what about the fury 2
Zen is currently being spoken as 2 times as fast at the 8350 so it sits zen right in position to tea bag intel's top cpu if zen can match the 1500$ intel parts with 300-600 $ zen parts we will have the herald of the old amd coming back to stomp some face...
Amd has plenty of harpoons as it were.
Polaris faked benches are placing the mid range cards at 1080 speeds... Keep in mind 1080 is supposed to be a flag ship top end card from nvidia If the benches are close where will the 490 and 490x sit what about the fury 2
Zen is currently being spoken as 2 times as fast at the 8350 so it sits zen right in position to tea bag intel's top cpu if zen can match the 1500$ intel parts with 300-600 $ zen parts we will have the herald of the old amd coming back to stomp some face...
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If the performance was there and price correctly. Correct me if I am wrong, but as I recalled there is no Polaris with HBM, only GDDR5 and GDDR5X, so those cards will be big.
Think I used this quote before
its not about the plan its about execution of that plan, the risks it entails to get to fruition. Make this down, MANY parts of their plan have already failed because they weren't able to execute last year.
The rest of the crap you have stated looks like you are the one that is taking it personally.
You are correct. The Polaris architecture only has GDDR5 and GDDR5X support. The Vega architecture is HBM2.
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The "good old days" were expensive too. Sure, we didn't pay a grand each for a top end CPU and video card, but CD-RW drives, hard drives, RAM, sound, NIC, etc. all ran hundreds of dollars per component. My 286-25Mhz AMD system was $3000 and 386s were already out. My first 10baseT NIC was $350. This hobby has always been expensive.
You be surprise how often that can happened, Time Warner acquiring AOL, Google acquiring Motorola, Microsoft acquiring Nokia, you get my gist.
Singularity_Survivor
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Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
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Would not be surprised if AMD/ATi ceased to exist or got bought up by another company, been expecting it for years now.
Pity, competition is a great thing as many here have noted. The sad reality of this high tech world is less not more competition as the price of entry is just to high for most.
Pity, competition is a great thing as many here have noted. The sad reality of this high tech world is less not more competition as the price of entry is just to high for most.
That is real, Stock price and price fluctuation does not signify health of a company at all. Look at Enron lol.
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Here what I got to say anout all of this
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Why it gotta be like this ?
DeeJayBump
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But here's the thing: AMD GPU performance compared to Intel GPU performance is KNOWN, NOW. Hundreds of tech sites/outlets/etc have tested, and measured AMD GPU tech, and outside of Iris Pro, ALL AGREE WITH DATA to corroborate that, that AMD's GPU performance is superior, again outside of Iris Pro offerings. So, we in the tech world already know that it would serve Intel in the product lines/CPUs below the Iris Pro offerings (possibly those, who knows what the licensing will include) to put AMD GPUs in them.
THAT'S why Kyle's assertion that this is a bad move for Intel is laughable jibberish that doesn't even pass the smell test, like the rest of this "article," IMO.
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I trust Kyle's access to insiders more than my own. It's not like anything he wrote is based on first time speculation but rather a subjective view based on historically how it's been. I think all of us probably hopes that amd turns it around. But amds track record the last half decade hasn't exactly been top tier.
My personal take on it is amd probably is shitting their pants at the 1080 released specs. Just a gut feeling. But that much power at 225 watts. Oh my.
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Hint use Code Translator
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I think it's a bad move because of what you already mention. Intel already has a working product that is comparable. Not like they have nothing and need something. Iris pro is pretty not that bad and it's there. If it wasnt it would be another story.
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Amen to that. And like a fucking idiot I choose computers and Photography. No wonder I don't drink or do drugs. Can't do shit without money.
Just pop it into a translator, it wasn't worth the effort. Here ya go, misspellings and all.
"I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO NEXT YEAR WINNING RESULTS AND DOSEN'T MATTER IF IT GOOD OR BAD GRENN OE RED IT JUST HAS TO FIT MY BUDGET FOR BEST BANG FOR BUCK WITH BEING A SPACE HEATER LOL."
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I think it's time you stopped crying like a little bitch.
Kyle gave you an out on the convo, yet you were too stupid to take it...
shspvr
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Yup guest it that rigth it Morse Code
I certainly dont think it sounds ridiculous, go look at AMD balance sheet and income statement and tell me how it looks to you. The reason AMD stock price is at where it is right now is because they beat street estimate and painting a rosy picture for 2nd half of 2016, whether it will pan out remains to be seen.
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Iris Pro is TOO EXPENSIVE to put into tablets, phones, midrange offerings, etc. And since those product segments are where the bulk of the profits are, THAT is where it would benefit Intel to include AMD GPU IP.
So what if AMD has the best iGPU compare to Intel iGPU, how has that exactly work out for AMD in the mobile arena? People can keep touting AMD has better iGPU, but at the end of the day, Intel still outsells AMD by a very large margin.
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You are correct, just applying a formula that had been presented to me. Just a rule of thumb, no science there at all.
The demo was showing the equivalent of a GTX 950, right?
Ah, I see. Trying to skim through this huge thread, it reminds me of the intense debates car guys have over super cars when 99.9% of the ones discussing it will never own one. In the grand scheme of things the 1070 and 1080 starter prices are more manageable for more people than that of course, but how many people are actually dropping that much cash?
I'm sitting on an ancient 9600GT (a fan-less variant with a big heatsink), but want to get something faster and more efficient. I think I have only one game in my Steam library that I picked up in a bundle that I can't play due to it requiring a Direct X version newer than what my card supports. Other than that the 9600 still runs what I have somewhat decently. The process shrink is why I'm holding off on picking up an upgrade. I like my computer to be as quite and efficient as possible.
I'd rather have an Nvidia card because I've always had better luck overall with them, but if AMD does get something GTX 950 or faster and in line with claimed efficiency for a nice price out first, I'll go with them. Looking at high-end cards with the 300watts+ consumption on load is kind of comical to me. I don't need to be consuming 5+ incandescent lightbulbs worth of power to play a video game.
I get the whole idea that AMD likely dropped the ball on ultra-highend cards. If they get the mid-range efficient stuff out quicker than Nvidia, that's what I'm going for. I'd assume a lot of people in my situation will do the same.
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None of these "deals" are lucrative enough to make AMD profitable, never mind to allow AMD to spend considerable amounts of money on R&D. On the other hand NVIDIA has excellent software engineers, as well as hardware engineers. And good software engineers are needed for more than just drivers. AMD has neither at this point. So yes, AMD is not out of the woods just because they sell dirt cheap GPUs to Apple and licenses their GPU IP to Intel. Apple has shown that they don't really give a shit about the professional market, they just want the cheapest GPU solution.
Check this out if you want to see how terrible AMD GPUs are inside the cylinder Mac Pro 6,1 (they burned out about ten Mac Pros during video editing because their quality AMD GPUs kept dying on them):
“Deadpool” Edited with Adobe Premiere [u] | Larry Jordan
Iris pro doesn't use nV tech for its GPU cores why do you think Intel has nV IP licenses.... Its not for the main components of the GPU, they are using it for something else. Why would you think they would need AMD's IP in their GPU's, you think once they got the nV Ip they would have used nV's right yet they didn't.....
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Right, but one advantage I could see is if AMD has a distinctive advantage over Intel in GPU is performance/watt. If that's the case, they may readily accept AMD to the fold??
After all, AMD Carrizo has managed to perform competently against 15w Core i3s, despite being saddled with the world's worst CPU design ever. And that did that on ancient 28nm, so that points to a significantly more efficient GPU architecture. Intel has also showed more direct signs of weakness, never able to ship HD Graphics in a phone chip.
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Ture but it depeand on how you look at it as mobile laptops arena are usely NoN gamers so they will op for Intel better performance in everyday apps that one area that AMD need to address
Far I know of AMD tablet chip development has stalls but there always hope
I don't think we ever see AMD/ATI GPU inbeded a Intel CPU but one could never know what the future my hold I guest we have sit back and wait and see what outcome with be.
And why do you think nV is the only one that has poor quality, you do realize the failure rates of AMD GPU's are higher at least in the past 2 or 3 years right?
Drivers, both IHV's have issues its not limited to just nV.
Apple takes what ever is cheaper for them, apple users most of them dont' even know what the f is in their computer let alone be a power user......
Dude I don't know about you, but I have seen so many apple users who don't understand what a command line operation is.....
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Personally Im not convinced RTG being bought out by Intel is a horrible thing....It could end up being a good thing rather than seeing them go under
Sorry but this is pure conjecture. That AMD has excellent software engineers is evidenced in Mantle inspiring a whole generation of graphic API's like DX12, Vulkan and Metal. One could argue the impact of Mantle is bigger than anything Nvidia has ever done in terms of graphics software.
Similar can be said for their hardware engineers. But you don't have to take my word for it. An Intel architect did a Reddit AMA while back and this is what he had to say about AMD's hw engineers:
HBM is an example of a cutting edge technology AMD has been able to contribute to the industry on a shoestring budget. As far as AMD's quality in Mac Pros, I don't know how much of that is Mac Pro's poor airflow and how much of that is bad GPU QC, but one thing is for certain, AMD's GPUs would not be the prefered Ethereum miners if they had poor quality. Those Ethereum mining rigs are stressed 24/7 and they handle the stress just fine. If anything it's Nvidia that has a shady history of hardware quality with the bumpgate.
Sorry, I've been lurking on here for awhile but your post begged a response.
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I think that's more the fault of Apple stuffing 2 GPUs and a Xeon inside of a bathroom trash can.
GPUs would burn up no matter what was in there
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I haven't bought an AMD GPU is about 10 years. The last one I had (forgot the model!) began overheating and flaked out. I got about 5 years out of it, so not really griping. Next card was Nvidia - ran cooler. Bought a 970 recently. Love it.
Last years launch of the AMD gpus was a total let down. I was receptive to them based on the marketing speil. After seeing the numbers come in, what a joke. It was a total no brainer for me to choose Nvidia. (To be fair, they do have a couple of GPUs that are decent and benchmark well enough. They just run hotter and I've read their drivers are not as good as Nvidia).
Remember the days of the ATI All-In-Wonder (might have been around 2004)? That was a nice card. Sigh. Hoping AMD's video unit stays in the picture - competition is good.
Last years launch of the AMD gpus was a total let down. I was receptive to them based on the marketing speil. After seeing the numbers come in, what a joke. It was a total no brainer for me to choose Nvidia. (To be fair, they do have a couple of GPUs that are decent and benchmark well enough. They just run hotter and I've read their drivers are not as good as Nvidia).
Remember the days of the ATI All-In-Wonder (might have been around 2004)? That was a nice card. Sigh. Hoping AMD's video unit stays in the picture - competition is good.
And you will keep saying the same thing until you're right, yes? If not 10, then 11, then 12, then 13, etc., etc.
I have said it in my previous post and your post once again remind of the NBA's Philadelphia Sixers. They have been tanking to get the #1 pick for years and been very successful at it. Their plan is eventually they will field a championship caliber team and become a dynasty. They are not even close despite their 5 year plan*. However, each new year they are filled with unbridled optimism while everyone else including the players know they will at most win a few games.
*This is their 5th year of their tanking plan. They are now considering trading last year's #3 pick. The previous year, they traded their #1 pick. I could list more but there is no point.
Agreed, Intel can benefit having RTG IP's and engineering talents, but at the same time does Intel really need RTG? Well only people from Intel can tell us that.
Part of me wish Intel didn't sale XScale, they may have a very competitive ARM processor in the mobile phone arena rather than trying to use Atom processor. :/
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I've just been sitting here sipping my beer, reading these comments and watching the sparks fly. It's like the fourth of July came early
I do think AMD will probably address that with Zen processor though my concern is will they sale enough to make a profit, but that is for another thread.