Former Engineer Claims Apple Went Rotten after Steve Jobs' Death

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An ex-engineer suing Apple for wrongful termination claims he would still be at the company if Steve Jobs was steering the ship. Darren Eastman, who supposedly invented the “Find my iPhone” feature, alleges Apple regularly terminates employees for reporting issues ranging from product defects to mold being in the HQ. “Notifying Mr. Cook about issues (previously welcomed by Mr. Jobs) produces either no response, or, a threatening one later by your direct manager,” Eastman claimed.

“Many talented employees who’ve given part of their life for Apple were now regularly being disciplined and terminated for reporting issues they were expected to (report) during Mr. Jobs tenure,” Eastman alleged in the filing. “Cronyism and a dedicated effort to ignore quality issues in current and future products became the most important projects to perpetuate the goal of ignoring the law and minimizing tax.
 
Interesting, I'd have thought that Cook would be more open to this kind of stuff.
 
Poor Apple,..being uneccessarily drug through the mud like this. I hope they recover from such an onslaught of lies and come out better and stronger for it. No company deserves this, especially Apple. How could wonderful products come from a company this lunatic is describing? The honor to pay so much for such well thought out.....

Ok,,,,ok,...ok....I think I vomited in my mouth a little bit.....

That is as far as I can carry my sarcasm....
 
It's a long long fall from Mount Olympus. And no reality distortion filter will help now.
 
You don't become a trillion dollar company by being nice to every member of your work force, sad fact but true.
 
Plenty of bad stuff happened under Steve Jobs watch. Antenna-gate comes to mind immediately. I think you would have need a big pair of balls to bring something up to Steve Jobs. It could have been a career altering event. (Just basing my comments off of stories and books I've read).
 
The only thing that annoys me more than Apple, is some whining shit little former employee that thought his ideas and complaints were somehow significant to the great Oz of Apple. o_O
 
jobs was not a nice guy, we all know that and even if you didnt know that while he was alive, its far from a secret now.

but jobs didnt fire you because you reported mold or because you were going to get a bonus that they didnt want to pay. jobs fired you because you fucked something up. he was a mean horrible hardass that would would fire you fast for even the smallest fuckup... but ... you got fired because YOU DID FUCK UP.....
 
ryan_975 said:
Steve Jobs would have fired the janitor for allowing mold to grow and the engineers that designed a defective product. Apple was always a rotten company to work for.
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Not sure how much tolerance you have for this stuff. Must be way more than me. If I was paying someone to do a job, and they didn't do it, well, I'm not going to be kind. If I went in the bathroom and found runaway mold growing in a toilet, yes, I would definitely consider punitive action on whatever janitor(s) allowed that to happen. I pay that person to NOT have that happen. Same thing, if you design a faulty product, and you slip that past me, and it gets into the public, and they catch it, well.. you're in trouble. I joke sometimes that if Steve saw some of the stuff Apple was selling today (Mac Pro), he would have those designers drawn and quartered, and hung upside down over the entrance to Space Park just to send a message.

It's stupid little stuff that sets me off about Apple products now. The 2016+ MacBook Pro no longer comes with the extension cable, or a cleaning cloth. The cloth is a moot point, but I am sure Steve had some hand in it being there, as it was a really good cloth, and perfect for cleaning the screen. I could see him leaning over a table with two arms straight going "EVERY LAPTOP LEAVES HERE WITH A CLOTH. PEOPLE WILL KEEP THEIR MACS CLEAN AND IT WILL MAKE THEM LOOK GOOD AND MAKE US LOOK GOOD." The extension cable is even more practical, as without it there's limits to where the charging brick can be plugged in. Making that an additional purchase is just silly. Shipping iPhones in 2018 that don't come with a cable to connect to MacBook Pros sold in 2018 is equally daft.

I miss reading about pride in Apple stuff. I read some article back in the day about how when shipping products, the warehouse manager would make sure the Apple logo on boxes was in a particular spot on every pallet so they looked just right. It's not even something any end-user will see, but they really wanted that "everything perfect" feel to reflect in every step. I miss that Apple, even through the antennagates and their cloud stumbles.
 
ryan_975 said:
Steve Jobs would have fired the janitor for allowing mold to grow and the engineers that designed a defective product. Apple was always a rotten company to work for.
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This is something that I've heard from former Apple employees and its something that's been reported in various documentaries about the company over the years.
 
ryan_975 said:
Steve Jobs would have fired the janitor for allowing mold to grow and the engineers that designed a defective product. Apple was always a rotten company to work for.
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Jobs era: Apple is rotten to work for if you're a rotten employee.

Cook era: Apple is rotten to work for if you're a good employee who cares about the company.
 
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Cyraxx said:
Really? You REALLY are that incompetently stupid to think the CEO of a major company gets a notice when someone reports a bug - or mold in a building for that matter?

God damn yuppie liberals are fucking dumb as a box of rocks if you think a CEO has the time of day to think about something like that.
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Dude, Yuppies were conservatives, not liberals. I know. I was never a Yuppie. I am fairly liberal (though less than younger peeps) and my yuppy friends were at best moderately conservative.
 
ryan_975 said:
Steve Jobs would have fired the janitor for allowing mold to grow and the engineers that designed a defective product.
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Better to be a harsh meritocracy than a place that shoots the messenger (I'm not saying I 100% agree with Steve's methods, though they were clearly effective). No wonder they haven't upgraded their monitorless macs yet, they probably fired all the engineers for stupid reasons.

I imagine they'll only push out Tim after it's too late.
 
OK everyone here raise a hand if they think Woz should be the next Apple CEO. It's almost as if he has a brain and a *gasp* soul. Maybe.
Time for Apple to throw Cook under the bus/off a bridge and back up an armored car to Woz's house.
 
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Burticus said:
OK everyone here raise a hand if they think Woz should be the next Apple CEO. It's almost as if he has a brain and a *gasp* soul. Maybe.
Time for Apple to throw Cook under the bus/off a bridge and back up an armored car to Woz's house.
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They'd be nuts to get rid of Cook. The guy's supply chain management has been responsible for maximizing profits since 98 or 99. There may be a day that there's a problem, but this isn't one of them. Hell, the fact that they made this IOS largely bug fix/optimization OS is awesome. People have been waiting for Intuit (now Quicken) to fix bugs and improve performance in Quicken for 20+ years and it never happens.

Regardless, I doubt Woz wants to work at apple, much less run it. Personally, I always feel their weak link is computers. They're never running the latest h/w, while a Dell or HP will have computers with the lastest chips within a month or so of release.
 
Burticus said:
OK everyone here raise a hand if they think Woz should be the next Apple CEO. It's almost as if he has a brain and a *gasp* soul. Maybe.
Time for Apple to throw Cook under the bus/off a bridge and back up an armored car to Woz's house.
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Kick out the CEO when they were the first company in history to amass a net worth of more than a Trillion dollars— just a month or two back?
:rolleyes:
 
Why would you be reporting mold and product bugs directly to the CEO? They don't have facility services and product teams? I don't think the CEO needs 100,000 emails daily on every triviality within the company.
 
ryan_975 said:
Steve Jobs would have fired the janitor for allowing mold to grow and the engineers that designed a defective product. Apple was always a rotten company to work for.
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The difference under Jobs is that by all accounts would take heed of folks not performing and send that person on their way. Under Cook it would seem you have the typical corporate stagnation environment where protecting interests and management is more important than the long-term development and success of the corporate environment itself.

As much as I hate certain aspects of Apple - I really have to hand it to them with the iPhone X though, it really is a fantastic piece of hardware, and the decision to focus on quality of life with iOS 12 is great as well. Even with stagnation I think they are still somehow building a better product than any other smartphone manufacturer.
 
I know everyone loves to hate Jobs and he could be an asshole when it came to things he was passionate about, However he was able to respond to and accept criticism quite well:



(Terrible video quality)

This is something that is missing from many modern institutions. The more common, and much less effective way, to react is to get ones back against a wall and just deny, spin, or redirect.
 
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ryan_975 said:
Steve Jobs would have fired the janitor for allowing mold to grow and the engineers that designed a defective product. Apple was always a rotten company to work for.
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Well said, any janitor that allows mold to grow is either been on vacation for a long time or doesnt know how to do his job. As far as Jobs go, he was a control freak but for a good reason. While i've always been an Android guy, the iPhone always just worked. I lived with Android knowing it had/has issues for the freedom and versatility it has. However there is no denying that the iPhone has that notion of, within it's boundaries and ecosystem things just work.
 
From the sounds of it - it sounded like the engineer went past the chain of command and got slapped for it.
 
nilepez said:
Dude, Yuppies were conservatives, not liberals. I know. I was never a Yuppie. I am fairly liberal (though less than younger peeps) and my yuppy friends were at best moderately conservative.
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Maybe my definition of Yuppies is different than yours. I always thought of yuppies as what happens to most kids of wealthy parents or trust fund babies. People with no discernable skills who still have a fancy car and a house in the trendy, upscale neighborhood with no idea about how the world really works, thinking they earned their cushy lifestyle.
 
DNMock said:
Maybe my definition of Yuppies is different than yours. I always thought of yuppies as what happens to most kids of wealthy parents or trust fund babies. People with no discernable skills who still have a fancy car and a house in the trendy, upscale neighborhood with no idea about how the world really works, thinking they earned their cushy lifestyle.
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You're both wrong. Yuppies = young folk with jobs in big cities. Young urban professional. I believe they were liberals.


Did you mean hippy/trustafarian?
 
kju1 said:
You're both wrong. Yuppies = young folk with jobs in big cities. Young urban professional. I believe they were liberals.


Did you mean hippy/trustafarian?
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Ahh, that makes much more sense. Thanks for the clarification.
 
Come on man don't make fun of 'the other side' if your info isn't accurate. Steve Jobs literally would try to respond to EVERY email he got, even out of his company, by completely unknown people. They would be very short, terse, to the point, but he'd make it a habit to reply. Yes, a good CEO will GLADLY listen to his top engineers, especially if they led entire products like 'find my iphone'. I would know, since I had the opportunity to work for such a CEO once.
 
nilepez said:
People have been waiting for Intuit (now Quicken) to fix bugs and improve performance in Quicken for 20+ years and it never happens.
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I've been looking for a Quicken alternative for 15 years now. My mom got to a point where I said screw it, upgrade to the latest version. I was shocked to find out a different company now owns Quicken - and they fixed it! Not only that, they answer the phone if you have questions - and they answer them! My mom made several suggestions and lo and behold a future release incorporated her feedback.

I just know I'm going to get crushed by a frozen, falling pig any moment now...

So if you haven't looked at Quicken lately, at least on the Mac it's a completely different game now (not sure if Quicken Windows was also sold to the new company too or not but I think so).
 
Draax said:
I know everyone loves to hate Jobs and he could be an asshole when it came to things he was passionate about, However he was able to respond to and accept criticism quite well:
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He was indeed one of a kind and I think we are worse for his untimely passing :(
 
DocNo said:
I've been looking for a Quicken alternative for 15 years now. My mom got to a point where I said screw it, upgrade to the latest version. I was shocked to find out a different company now owns Quicken - and they fixed it! Not only that, they answer the phone if you have questions - and they answer them! My mom made several suggestions and lo and behold a future release incorporated her feedback.

I just know I'm going to get crushed by a frozen, falling pig any moment now...

So if you haven't looked at Quicken lately, at least on the Mac it's a completely different game now (not sure if Quicken Windows was also sold to the new company too or not but I think so).
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My 2016 license (picked that up for 10 bucks almost 3 years ago) is about to run out.
My guess is if you got a fast answer on the phone, you have Premium. I couldn't justify it, especially since when i've talked to the phone support they weren't very good.
Anyway, I picked up a 2 year deluxe license last week for roughly 40 bucks. I'll install it when my current license is up. I'll lose some features, but I really don't use Quicken's investment features. I use Investment Account Manager for that.

I'm skeptical, but I'll give it 2 years and see what happens. I've also started using Personal Capital and Mint just in case.
 
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