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But that's assuming there won't be new infrastructure, and you know that's coming. Why is it that the holdouts always picture a static universe where nothing changes? I'm not saying things are moving as quickly as they should, but they are moving... and if history is any indication, there's a tipping point approaching where you'll be in the minority if you stick to ICE.
Until it becomes too expensive to run, or (if you really hold out long enough) there are too few gas stations around to justify it. What do you replace it with ten or even five years from now, when EVs are much more common and advanced?
Gasoline will continue to be made for a long time, people are still driving old cars and that wont stop just because EV becomes the more popular new vehicle at some point in the future. Also I never plan to replace it.
It will rarely (I suspect) by everyone, specially in place that are able to charge more or less depending on time, it would be in many place not too hard to have something similar to different moment to water lawn depending on your postal code or odd-even numbers of your house and so on, where the electricity cost more and less at other time, making the use of timer to use the best price or even using the best days to charge it has most car will not need a full charge every day.
EV fanboys are really something else at times. Only way gasoline is going anytime soon is with massive government sabotage. But I bet some of these "superior future" people would cheer that on.
Candu is nice. Always has been ahead of the curve IMO.
You're probably going to replace it unless you don't think you'll live more than a decade or so, and at some point the gas station infrastructure will be inadequate for the kind of driving you want to do. The notion that you can just live in a cocoon for the rest of your life as the world moves on is... misguided, to put it mildly.
I'm not saying gas is disappearing quickly. I'm saying that the argument for buying an EV is getting stronger, and that the demand is clearly there.
I do think leaders are dragging their heels, and they need to get that swift kick to be sure they're ready. But we shouldn't put the brakes on the EV transition just because we don't know if there will be enough power capacity when EVs represent a large chunk of car sales.
From my limited understanding that an important point, maybe it changed but the last time I did check, the world usage was exactly the same has the refining process, i.e. (you could almost deduce the percentage of airtravel versus truck-car by looking what come out of barrel, how the world work is pretty much a direct result of the composition of a barrel):
| Product | Gallons |
|---|---|
| Finished motor gasoline | 19.40 |
| Distillate fuel oil | 13.44 |
| Kerosene-type jet fuel | 2.90 |
| Petroleum coke | 2.18 |
| Still gas | 1.76 |
| Hydrocarbon gas liquids | 1.55 |
| Asphalt and road oil | 0.92 |
| Residual fuel oil | 0.55 |
| Naptha for feedstocks | 0.50 |
| Lubricants | 0.42 |
| Other oils for feedstocks | 0.29 |
| Miscellaneous products | 0.25 |
| Special napthas | 0.08 |
| Finished aviation gasoline | 0.04 |
| Kerosene | 0.04 |
| Waxes | < 0.01 |
| Total | 44.65 |
| Processing gain | 2.65 |
Looking at the new F-150 (that I imagine will be a GPU type vapor launch and for a long time impossible to buy), it look such like an incredible product.
For cars, the towing capacity is mostly matched at 3-5k lbs/standard size car.
Lot of secrecy, the battery mileage is evaluated with a 1,000 pounds load in the bed (300 miles with the extended range on optimal scenario could go over 400 miles), but I think they have been quiet when towing has of now and it could be because the 120 miles or sub rumors could be true, specially if you go above 65% of the 10,000 pounds capacity.
What you say you'll do and what you'll actually do are two different things. It's easy to claim you'll never replace your Hellcat while it's relatively fresh. Will you still be saying that 10, 20 or 30 years from now, as it becomes increasingly expensive to maintain, parts become harder to find and gas station infrastructure starts to thin out? Will your family and financial situations be that stable? And let's be frank: given how quickly EVs are advancing, there will probably be a time when someone's $30K commuter EV will kick your Hellcat's ass.
It's a bit odd to claim it's "really not hard" to maintain a vehicle for a long time when you're a former Chrysler reliability tester. Most of us haven't worked for the manufacturer, and it's not reasonable to expect everyday people to have extensive car maintenance know-how (basic, certainly, but not extensive). And the issue isn't being "conditioned" to replace cars every ten years, it's that in this particular ten years the automotive landscape will have changed dramatically. I'd love to keep an EV for ages if I could replace the battery and keep the platform reasonably current.
The viewership certainly doesn't match F1, but it nearly turned a profit at the height of the pandemic — that's not bad when they couldn't even have live crowds. And I thought people watched racing for the thrill of competition, not for the vroom-vroom sounds.
EVs are overall kinder to the planet, even right now. Lithium mining is an issue, and companies need to improve recycling, but the net impact is still less — even if your electricity comes from 'dirty' power, in some cases. And again, you have this odd obsession with assuming the car industry is completely static, that nothing will change.
Only responding to the mining comments here.
That a really 2 strong claim here, that it would be a minor change (specially if you want are not in Brasil and want to start the car in the winter) and that it would augment performance considering a liter of E100 has so much less energy in it than regular gasoline (you loose about a third I think), car fully make for E85 and up are what usually 15% more performance than when using gasoline ? At the cost of much much lower mpg obviously
The Model 3 Performance can only go about 45-50 miles in Track mode before needing to recharge. That is about the same distance a Challenger Hellcat can go at the track (45-60 miles) on a tank of gas. Both cars perform about the same in acceleration and roadholding. The Model 3 Performance benefits greatly from AWD, though. The RWD Model 3 is much, much slower in both a straight line and through corners. A Challenger Hellcat also costs around the same money as a Model 3 Performance. If you buy the mythical $35,000 version of the Model 3 you'll only be about as quick as a Ford Fusion.
FE is 268 HP cars around tight, tiny city circuits that only last about 45 minutes. I've tried to get into the series and couldn't do it. The racing is close only due to the nature of the circuits they race on and the car swapping they used to do. Now that the batteries and tires last the entire race there is nothing interesting that really happens anymore.
That could be true (specially with how our brain and current mensuality work), but for someone looking to keep is car say just the next 12 years, is the monthly cost different between a way more expensive EV and the equivalent gas car ?
I don't think your lender will factor that in, though. Nor does it make the down payment any lower.
No, I get what you mean. I'm just saying if you can't get past the 1st hurdle (upfront cost), then the rest of it is moot.
And I am saying that we could change it, by amortizing it on a very long time and removing the 1st hurdle significantly by doing so, letting the buyer using the future cost saving to help that step.
Ah, okay, I gotcha. I still don't know. That's asking the lender to look at a lot of extra variables for a car loan. Could increase other costs related to getting a loan for all I know.
Yes it should increase the total cost and could require involvement on government to include change on your house, but if the governement pass 100% of the cost to the EV buyer at a low interest rate but just make it possible to amortize on a very long time it would be less of a choosing the winners than letting people use later saving to help upfront cost, that could be interesting.