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enthusiast says:
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Just my opinion, but if you are going to be so adamant and bold to state lapping destroys your cpu and does nothing, (I know the title you chose is a classic media 'hook' tactic, but you still need to be prepared to back it up :] ) why haven't you yourself tested to see if lapping does at all even work? All i see is opinion, baseless opinion with no refrences posted. I will agree that anyone saying they have dropped 20 degrees is absurd. hell even 10 is outrageous.

The process you posted is so incomplete and incorrect its almost laughable. Any experienced lapper (and lets not just tunnel vision towards cpu's, think of car and paint detail) knows you start rough to get the bulk of the imperfection's away, only to move to finer, finer, finest grits to get a mirror shine.

Now, from reading your article, i assume you are targeting the countless numbers of people who overclock and void their warrenties for minimal gains. And from what i gather, correct me if im wrong, you are really just trying to figure out why anyone, in your opinion, would be so crazy to do such a thing.

So I ask you, why do people climb to the tops of mountains? Jump out of planes? modify cars to go fast in a world limited by road signs?

I will admit that i do not overclock or lap my processors, unless i upgrade to a new one, and i just want to have fun and see how far i can push my old ones, so i am not at a loss. Some people have fun and enjoy pushing what they put their own money into to achieve new speeds. It's their money, they can spend it how they wish.

I have to comment on this part:

"Lapping is supposed to be complete when the silvery surface coating of the CPU is all gone and it reveals the coppery colored core material. Of course this assumes that the CPU manufacturers have invested countless billions of dollars into Research & Development just to coat their processors with a completely useless if not wholly counterproductive metal coating!"

The process and idea of lapping is to bring out the superior thermally conductive metal copper, so they will be in contact directly with eachother, instead of being separated by the lesser conductive nickel. This allows for faster heat transfer from the cpu, to the base of the cooler, up the heatpipes, and blown off the fins by use of fan. (or in some instances no fan is required at all)

I would never recommend lapping for the average home user, there is no reason to. The only time i would recommend it is in overclocking situations.

I think we can both agree on the temperature drops anything over 5 (which is already pushing it) to be a flat out lie. We can also agree the only people lapping and voiding warrenties, are the ones who are willing to spend the cash to get the performance boost they crave. I dont ask people why or try to reason why they choose video games over outdoor sports, i just know its what they enjoy to do, and its not my place to belittle them for their choices in what they find fun.

If this article was actually meant to hit the target audience of the "average home user" about the dangers of lapping for a mere 2 or 3 degree drop, then i completely 100% agree with all of it, except the process you posted :)
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QFT
 
this guy is a douchebag.

he's a fat IT guy with like 20 cats at home. these are the people you find dead after months sitting in their own filth, and nobody noticed, because nobody cares.
 
Jeez I even learned in a fabrication course the importance of lapping a surface to as near perfectly flat as possible, this guy didn't even take the hint about boring a cylinder out (which is not necessarily to make the bore larger, as most wannabe street racers would want to imagine), okay so it's a different shape surface your polishing and perfecting, but it's the same end result

The surface is as perfectly polished (in the case of a motorcycle/car cylinder as well) as it can be so it is making the best possible contact with the opposite component/material, or in the case of a motorcycle and car, the least amount of uneven contact with the other surface the better, so in his world of motorcycles he should understand the importance of polished surfaces than anyone...unfortunately he only seems to ride them and not understand the mechanical part at all.

Dumb ass.
 
Hancock was a good superhero movie (wow this guy is an idiot for saying that gawd what is wrong with him).

:-P

But yeah I'm pretty sure that this guy is one of those people who would try to push the rectangle block through the cylinder hole, (even to this day) what do you want to bet that this guy tried to do it and just keep going with the sand paper until the circuitry was exposed. Anyway anyone who is looking for advice on lapping DONT LOOK THERE.
 
his blog makes baby jesus cry.

he says he's a best-selling author... but, I don't see any links to his books, and can't seem to find any. I think he used a different name or something (a "penname" I guess it's called)

or, more likely, he's sitting in his mother's basement with cats swarming all over him while he watches softcore porn.
 
I think at the end of the day, he just wants the "hits" on his site.
Very sad. :rolleyes:
 
For shits and giggles i lapped a stock clocked Amd Sempron 3200+ 1.8ghz cpu for my server. But temps stayed the same even though i used like no tim because i ran out.
 
I've never heard of anyone destroying a cpu when lapping. I didn't even know what I was doing and my cpu came out just fine :)

Also it's totally useful because for me, temperature is the limiting factor. Last summer temps would exceed 60c during the hottest periods, but now they stay under 60c so it's okay to maintain my overclock.
 
I've lapped several CPUs with no issues whatsoever. Most of the time it's a negligible temperature drop, however when I did one of the Pentium D 805's, I dropped about 4 degrees C and was able to get about another 100 MHz out of it...

Lapping is definitely worth it, in situations.

You can use soapy water, however I wouldn't recommend dunking your processor in it. The soap helps keep the processor from "sticking" at all... just a small drop of soap and some water works well. This is a commonly used technique for wet sanding cars.
 
Wow, this guy is a complete flame bait tryhard. Must be another flame thread overflow at 4chan, spilling out in the internets.
 
onedestinazn2 said:
i dont know if this is off topic but is it a bad idea to buy a lapped cpu from someone else?
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Not at all. I lap most of my procs and never had a problem selling them. Some people actually prefer it, if the proc is something they are specifically looking for. Saves them the time of doing something they were going to do anyways.
 
Not that you guys needed more info but here's something that proves he knows next to nothing about pc hardware.
Just a few years ago, we were all very happy purchasing PCs with $1500 CPUs that reached dizzying speeds of around 300MHz. These days, a dual-core with 2GHz on each core (for a total of 4GHz!) is considered "entry-level" and sells for well under $100 in the bargain basement bin.
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Source his own article.
 
Wow, I'm amazed that this thread is still going after I made the post.:D

But seriously this is a douchbag! But he does seem to know his words and way of putting them around the place!

Also.....just a note to ppl whos left him a comment...don't make it rude, offensive etc...or else it will be cleaned off..and you trying to prove your point will be worthless!
 
Matthew Kane said:
Wow, I'm amazed that this thread is still going after I made the post.:D

But seriously this is a douchbag! But he does seem to know his words and way of putting them around the place!

Also.....just a note to ppl whos left him a comment...don't make it rude, offensive etc...or else it will be cleaned off..and you trying to prove your point will be worthless!
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meh even if it isn't rude he's gonna act like his hub is a spelling bee. then he will go after your punctuation. anything to dodge the truth. I've decided to call him a cock holster and leave it at that.
 
lamboman said:
Let's just say it like this. Lapping DOES give you lower temps. By how much, not much. Is it worth it? Of course not. A small improvement, that takes quite a while, no doubt. The science, you ask. Nickel doesn't transfer heat as well as copper, so getting rid of the nickel gives you direct contact with the copper, giving you better temps as a result.

Whether you agree with lapping or not, is a completely different matter. Just because you think it is stupid, doesn't mean it isn't.

And by the way, you are an best-selling author? Not meaning this in a rude way, but I can't find any of your books... a link possibly?​
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I know I am stating the obvious, and he probably knows it, but I wanna see how he responds to facts that he is going against.

I particularly want to see what his reply is to my last question.

DeadSkull: Seconded.
 
It's probably just a joke, nobody is that ill informed or defensive about something so unrelated to life. This reminds me of an article like this: http://www.r1pped.com/hacking It ends up being a hoax, just to see what kind of backlash he could create.

I'll agree, I thought lapping and overclocking were for retarded people with too much money. The cost/benefit/time ration never seemed worth it. I didn't "hate" on people, I just recommended against it. Then I met the Core 2 Duo... I still recommend against, just because I don't want to be responsible for it. How I love the Core 2 Duo :D
 
Sherk said:
I've lapped several CPUs with no issues whatsoever. Most of the time it's a negligible temperature drop, however when I did one of the Pentium D 805's, I dropped about 4 degrees C and was able to get about another 100 MHz out of it...

Lapping is definitely worth it, in situations.

You can use soapy water, however I wouldn't recommend dunking your processor in it. The soap helps keep the processor from "sticking" at all... just a small drop of soap and some water works well. This is a commonly used technique for wet sanding cars.
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In lapping and wet sanding the "soapy water" thing isn't soapy water!
You are right, only a very small amount of soap is used. Just a drop in like a quart of water.
It's such a small amount that if you tasted the solution then you probably wouldn't taste the soap.
What this does is reduce the surface tension of the water and keeps if from "beading" on the slick surface of what you are polishing and keeps the entire surface coated in water. The same principle and process is used in glass polishing.

I wouldn't use water though on a cpu because it's electrically conductive, and this is just my personal preference, I know many people have had very good results using "soapy water". I prefer using a light machine oil, like 3in1 oil or even "Smith's Sharpening Oil", it's made for sharpening knives, because the oil doesn't evaporate and floats off the metal particles better. And you only have to use a very small amount compared to the amount of water you really need.
A Metallurgy Labs sample polishing table has a constant flow of "wetted water" (the technical term for this tards soapy water) running over the polishing surfaces. This is to cool the process and to flush the metal particles away from the working surface. And it is the way we prepare samples for all of the different Metallurgical tests, including looking at them under a Scanning Electron Microscope.

So, yes he is a tard!
And No - you can't fix STUPID!
 
this doods pretty much a liar and using the shit to generate traffic to his hub

he says hes a big deal and if you google him hell come up, all you get are his retard hubpage posts
he also claims that its a big deal that he uses his real name unlike the rest of us, when all of his work is ghostwriting and pen naming, yeah right

i made a post over there with the stuff i just said to see if he would refute it, nope, deleted
 
yeah he deletes anyone who refutes him after he's done tongue lashing mostly to bolster himself in teh eyes of those who post kindly so he gets more of those cock jockey posts
 
So anyone ever prove him wrong with scientific evidence? Or is everyone gonna say how wrong he is while blowing smoke out thier asses?

I dont really agree or disagree but would like to see something real.
 
The guys a tard......he will delete posts no matter it is non offensive or offensive!!!

Such a jerkoff!
 
Matthew Kane said:
The guys a tard......he will delete posts no matter it is non offensive or offensive!!!

Such a jerkoff!
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QFT!


The stupidity of people sometimes is unbelievable.

Being in your own little world can be a good thing but, when you believe everything there and everything in real life can't contradict and what you think MUST be true. You have problems.
 
pfunkman said:
So anyone ever prove him wrong with scientific evidence? Or is everyone gonna say how wrong he is while blowing smoke out thier asses?

I dont really agree or disagree but would like to see something real.
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Here is an extreme example. I mainly see Q6600 owners lapping their IHS and they average a 4-8 degree drop. More importantly, the hotter running cores become more in line with the cooler ones.
 
PliotronX said:
Here is an extreme example. I mainly see Q6600 owners lapping their IHS and they average a 4-8 degree drop. More importantly, the hotter running cores become more in line with the cooler ones.
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Again that shits all over the net, its just talk not a shred of proof. I could tell you that i used dog shit as a thermal compound and dropped 5 degrees and it would be as scientific as the thread you linked.

If nobody has any hard evidence (No saying you lapped your CPU and dropped temp is not hard evidence) then i would quit spamming the dudes site with bullshit...
 
pfunkman said:
Again that shits all over the net, its just talk not a shred of proof. I could tell you that i used dog shit as a thermal compound and dropped 5 degrees and it would be as scientific as the thread you linked.

If nobody has any hard evidence (No saying you lapped your CPU and dropped temp is not hard evidence) then i would quit spamming the dudes site with bullshit...
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Then what justifies evidence?:confused:
 
Oh god here we go again

" it's not true because I refute your data "

FFS

Fine . All the university courses dealing with the subject are bullshit , and everybody is deliberately lying to you.

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The Earth is flat . period . I know this because when I place a level on the ground , it's flat and level.....

Prove me wrong.
 
BrainEater said:
Oh god here we go again

" it's not true because I refute your data "

FFS

Fine . All the university courses dealing with the subject are bullshit , and everybody is deliberately lying to you.

------

The Earth is flat . period . I know this because when I place a level on the ground , it's flat and level.....

Prove me wrong.
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My point is that every single one of you is going on about how hes an idiot while none of you have offered any proof better than hearsay. Im simply suggestingyou guys halt your little circle jerk of bashing him and offer up something he cant refute.

Again, i have my own opinions on the matter and dont agree or disagree with him but you guys sound like the panel for bigfoot awareness. Your all so certain in your belief but nobody has anythng to prove your point other than "Big ted saw it the other day".
 
Ah horseshit.

I've done the fucking experiment myself ok.I know for a fact what lapping does.

It's not my job to prove it to you.Do your own research.Better yet do your own experiment.

Those of us that actually use the scientific method of hypothesis and experimentation , tend to get annoyed , at those of you that don't and use bullshit arguements like this.

Seriously.You are'nt really going to defend his position are you ? If so , your're in the wrong forum pal.


:rolleyes:
 
BrainEater said:
Ah horseshit.

I've done the fucking experiment myself ok.I know for a fact what lapping does.

It's not my job to prove it to you.Do your own research.Better yet do your own experiment.

Those of us that actually use the scientific method of hypothesis and experimentation , tend to get annoyed , at those of you that don't and use bullshit arguements like this.

Seriously.You are'nt really going to defend his position are you ? If so , your're in the wrong forum pal.


:rolleyes:
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Im in the wrong forum? :rolleyes:

Your proof is "I did it before so i know it works". My point is everyone in this thread arguing with the guy can either post something real or shut the fuck up. The whole it works because i say so is a fucking joke.

If someone says something you dont believe you prove them wrong its pretty simple. The guy dont believe in lapping and instead of proving him wrong you get defensive and tell him to prove you wrong which tells me you lack the ability to actually prove your side.

Personally i know when done right on certain chips lapping does drop the temperature a little bit. However most of the time it is a waste, also the only times i have seen it make any noticable difference are on processors with uneven surfaces (Conroe and allendale chips mostly). What that tells me from my own experience is that lapping down to the copper core of the IHS is not whats helping the thermal conductivity its making the surface more flat so if the surface was flat to begin with there will be no affect.

Like i said i dont agree or disagree with the guy since there are two sides to this one.

My problem is your defense just makes you look like a complete idiot. Prove him wrong or just shut up already. Hes already shown hes incredibly biased and pretty ignorant so unless you have something he cant refute your wasting everyones time and making the [H] look like a bunch of stupid ass kids.
 
So let me get this right.

You are actually going to sit there , and try and tell me with a straight face , that all the data on the internet about lapping is all bullshit and doesn't consititute a modicum of proof ?

Really ?

I would suggest then , that any data I would try to provide , regardless of source , would not be good enough for you , so it's pointless to discuss it further.

It's the exact same BS argument as 'prove man landed on the moon'.

:rolleyes:
 
pfunkman said:
lapping down to the copper core of the IHS is not whats helping the thermal conductivity its making the surface more flat so if the surface was flat to begin with there will be no affect.
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Doood - if you read the threads on lapping in these forums, you'll see there are two schools of thought.

- Those who know what's going on state what you do - there's no point in lapping unless the surface is not flat and smooth.

- Those with a religious belief in lapping lap regardless and don't know whether they've made any difference.

The former group base their actions on well-known scientific principles on heat conduction. The doofus who condemns lapping in his blog doesn't know the difference between these two groups.

Get over yourself.
 
I'd be more than happy to go lap an old 3800X2 and prove it does make a difference. Only problem is the fact that it's already fairly flat, and I'm sure the lapping would do very little.
 
pfunkman said:
Hes already shown hes incredibly biased and pretty ignorant so unless you have something he cant refute your wasting everyones time and making the [H] look like a bunch of stupid ass kids.
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The proof and relevant links were posted on this dick wads blog 20 times..and they were deleted by the dick wad every time...

And who really cares what that dude thinks of the [H] ....let him come here and spout off that bullshit he is posting...he will get what he deserves..
 
Arcygenical said:
I'd be more than happy to go lap an old 3800X2 and prove it does make a difference. Only problem is the fact that it's already fairly flat, and I'm sure the lapping would do very little.
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No shit.I've got a proc here waiting to be lapped.

C'mon over pfunkman , I'll lap the damn thing and you can hold the fucking thermometer.

Sheesh.

I'm blown away that someones actually trying to defend this guy ( hal ,over on that blog) , let alone an [H] member.This is part of university courses......many of them.It's very basic thermodynamics.
 
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