first time im gonna build a computer. review my parts please

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  1. 92Camaro

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    xmas present iis a new computer, so im gonna build one, but its my first time. i dont wanna screw something up so im asking for your help in reviewming my parts.


    thermaltake Shark case:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=11-133-143&DEPA=1


    Intel Pentium 4 3.40E GHz 800MHz FSB, 1MB L2 Cache w/ Hyper Threading Technology
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-173&depa=1


    ASUS "P4C800-E DELUXE" i875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464&depa=1


    VGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800GT Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "256-A8-N344-AX"
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=14-130-203&depa=1


    Patriot Dual Channel Kit 184-Pin 1GB(512MB x 2) DDR PC-3200 w/ XBL Technology
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=20-220-033&depa=1


    Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-160&depa=1



    Plextor 12X DVD+/-RW Drive, Black, Model PX-712SA/SW-BL
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-131-329&depa=1


    Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS GAMER Limited Edition PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0350"
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=29-102-171&depa=0


    SONY Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model MPF920
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=21-103-116&depa=1


    SAMSUNG SyncMaster 710T-Black 17" LCD Monitor
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-001-164&depa=0

    as for a power supply, i tried doing the thing in the PSU forum with the calulator and all that but it got waaaaay over my head so i gave up, afaik the more amps per thingy theb etter (i saw the uh.. +12v@18a and the +5v and the +3.3V@36a but that wis over my head... aside from the fact that thats how many amps it supplys per rail (whats a rail, lol)

    so heres the PSU i came up with, based on reading these forums and seeing that enermax had a good response..

    ENERMAX Noisetaker Series 420W Power Supply, ATX 12V V1.3 compatible: Support latest P4 and Athlon 64 platforms, Model "EG425P-VE-SFMA
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-445&depa=0

    anything im missing or that just wont work with each other? im shooting for a gaming pc as you probably guessed already.


    i want to thank anyone who takes the time to help out a first time buildier. it shows your true colors.
     
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    uhm, stupid question but, the motherboard has a bunch of usb ports and firewire stuff, and the case doesnth ave that many holes i think, so what do i do, can i like.. cut out the holes on the case (in theb ack only obviosuly) ?
     
  3. abudhu

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    To answer your first post: Looks fine to me :)

    To answer you second post: Not to worry. On the case on that image, what your seeing is the little aluminum/metal cover. You can easily pop that thing out. Its what I do all the time. The slots never match up with what I want anyways. Just take a flat head screw driver, and push a little. Don't worry, about any noise its making, its just a piece of covering. It'll bend, but its not like you'll be using it anyways.

    Question:
    This computer will be used for _____.

    If you are looking to game, I'd go with AMD 64. And a different board...:p
     
  4. tiraides

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    Not bad for your first try.... For the RAM, I would suggest a more well-known "brand name" such as Corsair, Kingston, Mushkin, or Crucial. I would also add a second hard drive to store all of your games and other programs/files. Others would recommend that you get a second Raptor and put them in a RAID 0 configuration, but I think that a larger drive (for example, about 200GB) would be a better investment. And don't worry about a floppy drive; the only use for one these days would be to install SATA, RAID, and/or BIOS drivers, but nowadays there are ways to install those drivers without even using a floppy drive.

    As for your mobo, most motherboards with FireWire/USB ports usually have some sort of attachment that will allow you to use your ports in the back of the computer. If it doesn't, you can pick up a USB or FireWire PCI card for about $30-$50.
     
  5. oOo sam lee oOo

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    i think it all should work fine

    the mobo should come with it's own faceplate. take out the old one, put the new one in.
     
  6. BossNoodleKaboodle

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    Here's what I've got to say based on my personal experience.

    Personally I've built and upgraded quite a few computers and I've got a 3.0E with that same ASUS board. I can't install SP2 on that machine without updating the BIOS and I don't care enough to bother because its on my graphics workstation thats not connected to the net. So if you want SP2, which is pretty darn good, I'd get a different board or a Northwood CPU, rather than the E which means Prescott core. Personally I'd get the Northwood anyway because at that both at 3.0 GHz clock speed, the Northwood is going to be faster.

    The case is ok, but you can do a lot better for a lot less money and you might have a terribly time installing hard drives into the sideways cages. Personally I'd go Lian Li for the case or maybe get a Coolermaster Praetorian.

    Speaking of HDD's you could get IDE which will perform almost as fast as that SATA one in real world situations for a lot less money, and have way more storage. In fact, you could get 3 120GB Western Digital Caviar HDD's for the price of that one 74GB one, have your page file on a separate one, and have it outperform the SATA one anyway.

    You'll want a good PSU and I'd say get a good Enermax PSU with a huge 12v Amperage so you won't have any worries with power. You'll also want to get a UPS like an APC BackUPS with at least 900VA and Automatic Volatage Regulation so that when the power goes down you can safely shut down and avoid problems with HDD corruption, data loss and fried equipment. A surge supressor or power strip just isn't enough.


    Plextor DVD combo drives are the best.

    The 6800GT is the best for the money.

    I'd also get some Corsair or Infineon RAM to run in Dual Channel.

    If you want to play games, I'd definitely get a CRT monitor. I'd recommend an NEC/Mitsubishi Diamondtron (don't get the Multisync, only the Diamondtron) monitor. A lot of people will contradict me on that but a good Aperture Grille CRT will blow away any LCD or shadow mask CRT out there. You're looking at about 380 for a good 19" aperture grille Diamondtron.

    As for the USB/Firewire; if you actually need them and want them connected, any of the cases I mentioned will have space for them, either in the PCI slots in the back (there should be a motherboard->PCI blank slot adapter for the Firewire and USB and also some front pannel USB's.
     
  7. 92Camaro

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    well the ram, all i have heard is good things about this ram, its "cheap" but its real quality stuff, i looked at the corsair and kingston stuff (whichever one has the uh.. green led things) but it was extremely expensive to me, and if this "cheap stuff" is as good as they say it is, then no problems.


    as for a second hard drive, i may consider that i dunno, once again, all i have heard is good things about these raptor drives, i was also reading into the raid stuff, seems no one likes raid 0? but when talking about raid 0 with the raptors people seem to be all over it like its the ONLY way to go for performance. i dunno, i think 74 gigs is fine, i have a 20 gig on this comp and its filling up quick but i think 74 gigs is plenty, if i need more im sure down the line i can buy an ide 200 gig or something.

    as for the mobo having the cover plate: good thinking.

    as for molesting the cover on there, eek! but seemsl ike ill have to do it anyways as long as the mobo has a cover of its own.


    and, im looking to game and watch car videos and i also like to use photoshop and i have a konica minolta 4mp digital camera that i use a lot. i

    how much more perofrmance are we talking by going to the amd 64?
    if i do go to the amd 64 the ONLY two things ill have to change are the motherboard and the cpu right? amd boards still uh.. have sata and ide and stuff liek that right? lol. will the video card work on the amd 64? i thought windows longhorn was the only windows that could use this "64" stuff ? and last i checked the fastest amd 64 i could find was a 3x00+ with like only 2.4ghz? why is the amd better if the intel has nearly 1ghz more uh.. gigahertz lol. anyways, i want to play doom3 on like ultra settings or at least HIGH and get a good 60fps (eyes cna noly see up to 60 if i recall correctly. howevere anything above that would be fine and dandy. anyways, 1600x1200 ultra settings and 60fps. lol, in reality id probably go with 1024x768 high quality , would that net 60fps with aforementioned setup? eh?


    and once again, i thank you guys for the help. i dont wanna screw up a like 2100 dollar thingy. its like wrecing your new porsche after pulling out of the dealership parking lot.
     
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    didnt see this before i psoted but i guess i wiill revise my list a little.

    edit: iive read about the 3.0 northwood = 3.4 prescott, but i also read that the when the prescott is overclocked it gets better exponentially to the northwood, however, i dont know much about voerclocking but at this point i think ill move over to the northwood, now what motherboard do i need?

    edit again:

    none of the northwood cpus (aside from the 1000dollar ones) have a l2cache bigger than 512k. is that bad? i looked for more northwood ones and above this one :
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-165&depa=1
    but they all get into the $1000 range and i cant afford that.

    so should i go for THAT 3,2 ghz northwood with 512l2 or go with the 3.4prescott with the bigger l2cache? what does this l2 thing do anyways?
     
  9. mbmadness

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    Your system looks nice.

    The RAM costs $219 for 512MBx2. Sure, it has nice timings, but IMO you are paying a too much money for the small performance gain. I would get this Mushkin Dual pack for only $129.
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-299&depa=1
    True that the timings are a little slower, but the small performance loss is worth the $90. Plus, you can put that $90 into something else like an extra HDD for storage or a few new games like HL2 and Doom 3. Also, Mushkin is a better known brand than Patriot.

    Also, the video card you listed is out of stock. However, you can order this BFG 6800GT from bestbuy.com and get free shipping.
    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?id=1083712392168&skuId=6684652&type=product
    It is only $399 and comes overclocked from the factory for extra performance and it has a lifetime warrany. So, it's only $10 more, but it's a better card.

    There's nothing wrong with your selections. It looks great. The above are just my suggestions.
     
  10. BossNoodleKaboodle

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    You can use the same Asus board. Its only when you have a Prescott + SP2 that it won't boot. The Northwood will run just fine on that board and will surpass the Prescott at stock speeds while producing significantly less heat.
     
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    RAID 0 is great. I say go for it. It greatly reduces game load time and I personally do not like waiting for my games to load. I'm using four harddrives in my raid 0 array and love it. This system is over 3 years old and I've had no issues.
     
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    i think im gonna go with the 3 120 gig ide caviar things.


    can i do this:

    raid 0 two of the drives and leave the third drive for just the wap file or page file or whatever?

    edit: the uh.. ata100 and ata133 is the same as ide right? cuz im looking at the specs on this mobo and it doesnt say how many ide thigns it has...
     
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    Despite what many people might say, a floppy drive is still a good idea to have. they don't cost much at all, and sometimes you just actually do find a use for them. The system looks great. I second that you might want more hard drive space, but my laptop only has 80 gig and i feel like i'm doin okay on it (bout 20 gig left). unless you have 30 large games or something, you should have enough room. although personally, i do tend to [H]orde hard drives for my desktop (mp3 collection, disc images, divx movies, who-knows-what-else-that-takes-up-a-lot-of-space)
     
  14. BossNoodleKaboodle

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    You can't have more than 4 IDE devices plugged directly into the two IDE channels on the motherboard. You can't easily, and won't need to RAID those disks either. I'm saying that you'd do better to get 3 WD 120GB IDE drives at best buy on special for $50 each or the Seagate 160's on special for like $70 each than spend all that money on one little hard drive that you won't get much more performance from. Also once you get XP installed, making sure you install Diskeeper software and have your page file set to one constant size (if you let Windows manage it, your PC will slowly degrade in HDD performance over time).
     
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    You misunderstood. The MOBO doesn't have a plate cover...the CASE does. Its on the inside of the case. You'll see it.
     
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    edit:

    im gonna go with the 3 120 gig wd caviar raid thingies.


    is ide raid able? or is that only with sata

    ive always wanted to go with raid 0 for the sole purpose of that it loads games and stuff quicker but recent reading on here shuns raid 0. but id really like to do the two 120 gigs raid 0 and then a 3rd for just the page file.
     
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    the other guy said the mobo should come with a cover to replace the cases cover. good thinking on the mbo makeers part. knock out the cases cover and put in the mobo specific one.
     
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    heres my new list:

    i want to thank you all for your input it is GREATLY appreciated.

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=19-116-165&depa=1 cpu

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=20-146-299&depa=1 ram

    http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?j=1&id=1083712392168&skuId=6684652&type=product video card

    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-119-035&depa=1 case

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-174&depa=1 3 of these hard drives

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=24-002-037&depa=1 the monitor

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=27-131-329&depa=1 cd burner

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=13-131-464&depa=1 the mother board

    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=21-103-116&depa=1 floppy drive

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=29-102-171&depa=0 sound card

    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-103-488&depa=0 this powwer supply



    ~$1986
    need mouse, keyboard, and speakers, and some other stuff.


    any other things you can think of or notice. also, check my psu, it says it has 33a at +12v. is that good? whats with all the other little things (+3.3, +5) will those be enough for my stuff?

    once again, thanks guys.


    edit again lol :

    whats a good UPS? it seems they are rated by howl ong they will "run" after the power goes out. kinda like 2200mah batteries vs 1100mah. right?
     
  20. pr0zac

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    Theres alot more that goes along with how a processor performs outside of the clock speed (ghz rating). That said, whether the Intel or AMD is a better processor argument can go on for hours, but for pure gaming, I think in general the consensus goes to AMD. Yes the Intel has a faster clock speed, but the AMD makes better use of each clock. A good way I saw it explained was comparing it to a sprinter and a weightlifter moving a bunch of boxes. The sprinter (intel) can move each load quicker, but the weightlifter (amd) can move more boxes each time. Which way is better really depends on the implementation, but currently it would seem AMD is doing a better job. Their chips also seem to be much better price/performance processors compared to the Intels. If I were in your shoes, I'd go with an AMD 3500+.

    Also, I'd say stick with the LCD if you are working with limited space. I've got a 19 inch LCD with a 12ms response rate and it is beautiful in games. Never noticed any ghosting or other problems, and not having to deal with geometry settings is the greatest computer gift I have ever been given.

    Lastly, if you aren't strapped for money, I'd say for got the higher powered of the two PSUs. Though you might not need it, better safe than sorry, and it'll be more likely you can use it in the future.

    -zac
     
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    thanks for the input!


    as for thei ntel vs. amd thing. amd is like ... how can i put this...

    back in like.. the old days, when islands had no way to contact each other in anyway the cultures grew diverse and moving over to the other resulted in culture shock. its kind ofl ike that, i dont know shit about amd stuff, all i know is that intel has been there for years making good stuff i guess. on another note. between the two setups all i would have to change is the motherboard and the cpu correct? everything else works on either mobo setup right?

    also, the amd prices for what appears to be the ones i wnat are like over 400 dollars!@!.

    i dunno, its not apples and oranges is it? either one will play doom3 and hl2 and farcry and others just fine wont they?
     
  22. BossNoodleKaboodle

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    Looks good. I'd go for an APC since they're the most trusted that I know of. Make sure you get one with AVR (automatic voltage regulation) and the biggest power rating you can afford. Its not so much so that you can play games when the power is off (I can't even run my monitor off the same one as my computer) but rather to protect your PSU from voltage drops and spikes.

    How much are you willing to spend on speakers?
     
  23. abudhu

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    I second what he said.
    AMD 64 will get you the best bang for the buck.
     
  24. gamekid

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    heres a very simple way to view the speeds of intel and amd, look at the rating for amds, pr0zac did a good job explaining it but this is easier, a amd rated 3000+ is close or equal to a p4 rated 3ghz, amd 3200+ to a p4 3.2ghz etc......and yes, u only need to change the cpu and motherboard, where did u get this $400 from? what cpu are u lookin at?? a dam 3800+ or something? get a amd athlon 64 3200+ winchester core, best bang for ur buck i think and a msi neo2 platinum motherboard.

    http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120428
    i say get a oem version and a good HSF and oc this baby, a lot of em got up to like 2.6ghz ( bout 4ghz intel speed!!!!)

    http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=110228
    this is the best oc'in board out for s939, it might be cheaper on newegg though

    and that PDP ram is good stuff

    get a better case, TT's cases aren't that great......get one with 120mm fans though....i like the SilverStone TJ06
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductDesc.asp?description=11-163-031&catalog=23&manufactory=BROWSE

    i dont know a lot bout HDD's but u might want to just get a 300gb or 250gb sata drive with a 16mb buffer, its stiil about the price of a 74gb raptor
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=22-144-359&depa=1

    oh and for the psu
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=17-104-152&depa=0
    its out of stock right now but its pretty powerful

    hope i helped
     
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    Ok,
    first off,

    8mb buffer vs 16meg?

    man. i still aint sure about the amd thing. it seems cool, but the "new territory" thing is what bothers me. i mean, doesnt windows not work with the 64 bit thingy? how about the bios? does that even use a bios? i mean.. i know NOTHING about said amd chip. i suck at this.

    as fo that psu, the one i chose has 35a @ 12v. the one you chose has 33a.

    man.. i still dont know about this amd 64 stuff.

    you were talkinjg about how that one is equivalent to 4ghz intel speeds. is that STOCK or overclocked, because once again, im not truly looking for good overclocking stuff as i dont wanna fuck stuff up.

    also, i have a question. is this stuff gonna have EVERYTHING i need i mean.. like wires and stuff? how will i know what wire goes where. i see all these "rails" and stuff i have to plug in wtf. :lost:


    edit: uhm. how do i turn my computer on for the first time. lol.
     
  26. BossNoodleKaboodle

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    Well first, stick with Intel if you don't want the hassle of learning about AMD. The performance difference in gaming isn't going to blow you away. The 64bit isn't used by any programs that I know of currently, but the thing that makes AMD 64 chips so fast is the built in memory controller, which is found on Intel motherboards rather than on the chip itself. All that aside, my 3.0 Prescott on the Asus board in your original post benchmarks with the Athlong 64 FX 51's which are pretty darn expensive chips.

    The "rails" are the output lines of different voltages on the PSU, and yes you'll be having plenty of extra cables and screws even after your computer is assembled. OEM HDD's probably come without cables but if you buy a retail box setup you'll have cables, screws and software that comes with it.

    Anything greater than 26A on the 12v line is plenty, but the higher the better. Enermax is my recommendation simply because I own two of their server PSU's and I'm very happy with them. The list of good PSU's in the PSU section will show you tons that are good in your category.
     
  27. abudhu

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    Bigger Buffer = Better. Simplest way to put it.

    Sorry dude, but I find that a little funny :p :D Just Teasing.
    Actually Windows (Longhorn) is being built to run "best" on AMD 64 chips. Well since AMD is the only one with a good 64 bit chip currently. As for the BIOS well thats on the MOBO and if you go with MSI K8NEO2 NFORCE3 Ultra you will have no worries. Haha, why would a Processor not use a bios? :) Of course it will.

    Basically, it'd be the exact same as your Intel Chip..except it will say AMD, have a lower clock speed but run equally as well in everyday task, and beat it out in Gaming. (Dumbing all this down, I don't want to start a flame here)

    As for all the parts having everything, well look at the newegg pics. :p
    It will come with everything. Most of the stuff you can see what plugs into what. However, if all else fails read the MANUAL! Thats what they are there for. And if that fails, there is always the [H]ardForums where someone will help you.

    Happy building.
     
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    By the time longhorn is actually useable you'll probably have a new computer.
     
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    ok ive been reading some reviews on amd chips on newegg and i think its convinced me. also, while readign the specs on the chip i liked that it had a memory controller thing built in or whatever. i also liked the 7.1 audio thing, how does that compare to said audigy gamer card?

    anyways, as for amd vs. intel, i think i like whast being said about the amd more than the intel. so while im here ill go with the amd. anything i should know about AMD stuff?

    also, how does everybody know their temperatures and fan speeds and stuff?
     
  30. d34dly

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    Another vote for AMD here. I have ordered my first AMD parts and am waiting for them to show up. I am excited. Anyway you should have nothing to worry about if you go AMD, it won't kill you.

    I went with an MSI K8N Neo 2 Platinum and a 3200+ 939 (90nm). Should be fun.

    Yes all your wired and stuff will be included. Except for maybe a power cord... but they are cheap. Shit I'll mail you one... I have like 40 million.

    Anyway.. what kind of speakers are you wanting. Because unless you just HAVE TO HAVE EAX in gaming I would stay away from Creative. Just won't matter unless you want posistional audio.
     
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    first off, what this about the aduio stuff? i didnt quite catch what your going after. eax is that 3d sound stuff right?


    uhm..

    i see this neo k8n msi mobo thingy for the amd has an nforce 3 chipset is that like.. onbaord graphics? or does that work in conjunction WITH the graphics card, or is it some other form of processing power.
     
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    Nope the NF3 Ultra is just a chipset. And supposedly a good one at that. I am ordering that setup so we'll see.

    About the audio thing. Yeah EAX is 3d audio. Propreitary plugs and junk for those comp sound systems. 7.1 is really overkill. First off how much do you wanna spend on speakers, and do you just HAVE TO HAVE surround?
     
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    also, which uh.. amd core is better? newcastle or winchester? it seems that the winchester has something that makes it risky? (risky how i dont nkow but risky for some reason someone said)
     
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    Unless you're gonna overclock I wouldn't worry about the cores. Winchester is supposed to OC better but like I said, if you aren't gonna it doesn't matter.
     
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    i was just wondering abuout he 7.1 thing because it says that mobo has 7.1 built in or something.

    as far as i care i have two speakers right now and a sub undernearth my desk. thats fine by me.
     
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    My friend has always had AMD chips and he's had nothing but problems with them, but thats just his experience. From my point of view Intel makes a great chip at a reasonable price and the Northwood's were a prime example of that, just like the good old Coppermine P3's and the Tualtins back in the day. Honestly AMD's are a little faster in games, where as the Intel's are faster in most applications and content creation. Reliability is something I'd factor into that decision, and from what I've heard Intel chips almost never fail, while AMD's seem to more often.

    As far as being ready for longhorn, you'll have all new equipment by the time its useable, most likely. The dual core processors and the true successor in architecture to both the AMD and Intel chips will be out around the same time so I'd wait til then to worry about 64bit extentions, but if you are, Intel also makes P4's with 64bit extentions if you really want to have that extra featureset.

    I'm a die-hard audiophile so I'm going to have to come out and say that the 7.1 audio on the motherboard and all these "surround sound" gaming speaker systems are complete bullshit. For one thing, a truly good sounding 7.1 system is going to cost thousands more than a fully assembled computer or workstation.

    The best bet is to get that ASUS mobo that has SPDIF digital out and run it to some good Alesis DSP or Roland DSP speakers if you want to truly knock your, and everyone elses socks off. Here's a thread I posted in earlier about something related to this.
    http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1027026815&postcount=6

    P.S. Those speakers you got now aren't the Harman Kardon HK-595's are they?
     
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    In that case ditch the Audigy crap. Just go with the Chaintech av710 ... it's cheaper and will sound better than the onboard, and do just as much as the audigy plus sounds better for music.
     
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    well from what im reading you can voerclock the amd thing easy or something. also, this chip:

    http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=M&Product_Code=120428

    i cant seem to find it at newegg. id like to order everything from newegg (even if the price is like 10 bucks different).

    oh wait. is there a better cpu for a bit morem oney i think someone said something about a 3500+ or something. find me one of those. that will work on that msi k8n mobo.
     
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    NForce3 is just the chipset. Kind of like VIA Chipset.

    Go with Winchester.

    The 7.1 Audio is built in. Meaning its part of the board of itself and is controlled thus. Meaning you save money because you won't need a Soundcard. It is pretty darn good and I am very happy with it. I also have 2 speakers and a sub, but recently bought a 5.1 channel system. It works flawelessly with 2 speakers.

    To confuse you a little, the only thing to note, as I have seen through benchmarks is that using the Onboard Sound will kick you down like 1-2 frames in gaming. Not like it matters though, you won't even notice.

    Look at my sig:

    Current Rig:
    AMD 64 3200+
    MSI K8N Neo 2 Nforce 3 Ultra
    1GB PC3200 Corsair RAM
    MSI GeForce6800
    80GB Seagate SATA x 2
    19 Inch Flat CRT


    So Basically order that AMD64 Winchester 3200+ and that MOBO and you'd be set. ALL your current picks will work just fine with all of it.
     
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    Agreed... basically 7.1 is pointless unless you're in a Home Theater environment and then we're talking MAJOR HT stuff. IMO "computer speakers" are worthless. But that's a whole other beast, and for that head over the Computer Audio forum, and we can help ya there.
    ;)