Firefox on Android gets Major Update...

Zarathustra[H]

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...and according to Forbes users apparently hate it.

Does anyone else use it here?

I switched over to mobile Firefox a while back as I felt it gave me better control of my privacy settings. Now I know I am Usually the curmudgeon hating change on here, but I'm actually enjoying this update.

Default zoom is further out making text smaller giving me the information dense look I crave, and I'm general many issues I'd been having with text editing in web forms are resolved. It also adds a dark mode and changes tab management a bit.

Moving the address bar to the bottom is a little weird, but it was a piece of cake to switch it back up top in settings.

The tab management part I still haven't gotten used to yet, but overall I'm really liking this update.

Most people seem to be complaining about rendering slowness, crashes, changes in how bookmarks are handled and the removal of the back button.

I have not personally experienced any slowdowns or crashes on my Pixel 3. I also don't really use bookmarks at all in web browsers, so that hasn't impacted me, and since I always keep my Android phone in legacy three button mode, I always have a back button, and don't need one in the browser app itself. So no issues there for me.

What do you guys think?
 
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GotNoRice

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I'm on the beta so I've been using it for a month or so. The new system of looking through open tabs is a bit less intuitive, but not so bad now that I've gotten used to it. I did not personally notice any change in text size, on my Samsung S8+. Most pages work fine. Interestingly, the pages I seem to have the most trouble with are google-based pages. Like when I want to look up the weather, I just do a google search for "Weather 55555", whereas 55555 is the zipcode. But in mobile view it only shows weather info for one day. In desktop view it shows the weather info for an entire week. So I always switch to desktop view. Then when I want to see updates to the weather I go back to that tab and hit the refresh button. When I do that now, it changes back to the mobile view automatically, even through the toggle switch is still set to desktop view, and trying to switch back and forth does nothing (stays on mobile view regardless of setting). In order to see it in desktop view again, I have to open a completely new tab and start from scratch. That's really the most annoying bug I'm having at the moment, and I'm sure Google isn't too concerned about bugs like that that push people toward chrome.
 

toast0

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I'm normally curmudgeonly and hate change, but damn is it faster than it was before. And if you mobe everything around but make it faster, I'll give you a pass.

I like the address bar at the bottom, but I wish it would stop disappearing. OTOH, I liked windows phone, and it had the address bar at the bottom (and dark mode)
 

Zarathustra[H]

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I'm normally curmudgeonly and hate change, but damn is it faster than it was before. And if you mobe everything around but make it faster, I'll give you a pass.

I feel the same way.

It's interesting though, that in the article people have been quoted complaining about performance.

I wonder why it is faster for some, and slower for others.
 

Nobu

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I dislike the tab management (really, a drawer? For why?), and don't enjoy the extra step to get to addons, but mostly I just dislike the random crashes and buggyness.

I'm running the beta though, so I can't complain about it too much. Report the crashes that happen when I can, and hope they go away.
 

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I'm by no means a "power user" (whatever that means), but I was upset that it tried to default to the address bar on the bottom luckily I actually read through that "this is what's new" screen (which I almost never do) and saw a button to put it to top again, and rage went away.
 

cybereality

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The address bar on the bottom doesn't bother me. It's a change, but welcome.

I noticed WebGL performance is *much* worse though. I hope they can fix that, Chrome is several times faster.
 

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I fucking hate it.

It removes my #1 favorite feature from firefox mobile, tab queueing from an external source.

If anyone can PLEASE show me literally any other mobile browser with tab queueing I'll be jumping over immediately.

It also removed my second most used feature in the browser, bookmarks on the new tab screen.
I also used this practically every time I opened the browser, multiple times hour.

It does render faster and I don't really dislike anything else about it except for how it rearranged the favorites on new tab.

But I super, super miss tab queueing.
 
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Don't like the update. Seems like they didn't think things through on certain features.
Switched back to chrome for the time being. I'll try again if they tweak a few things.
 

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I liked it, so far what I don't like has already been complained about here.

The only thing that's happened, that's never happened before, is on this forum, I'll tap "like" and it'll either take me to a new page that says: "Are you sure you want to like this post?" Or, it'll pull up a new window that says who all has liked the post.
That's only happened 3 times since the update. Never seen those screens before the update, nor on desktop.
 

Zarathustra[H]

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I fucking hate it.

It removes my #1 favorite feature from firefox mobile, tab queueing from an external source.

If anyone can PLEASE show me literally any other mobile browser with tab queueing I'll be jumping over immediately.

It also removed my second most used feature in the browser, bookmarks on the new tab screen.
I also used this practically every time I opened the browser, multiple times hour.

It does render faster and I don't really dislike anything else about it except for how it rearranged the favorites on new tab.

But I super, super miss tab queueing.

Can you explain? I don't have a clue what tab queueing is.
 

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Before, on firefox, if I opened up a link through an external source - google news, Facebook, texts, etc. It would open up as a background tab on firefox without Firefox actually taking focus. When I eventually got to firefox, I'd have 20-30 background tabs queued up that I could cycle through one at a time at a later time.

It's a feature I've been using for years.
 

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hate it. like Master_shake_ i've reverted back. too complicated to navigate the UI. even on mobile they want to become a chrome clone. not an ounce of creativity left at mozilla it seems
i dont use many applications but I see tab queuing is gonne too. like I said: chrome clone
 

cybereality

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I'm done. Held out for the longest on Firefox, but they are just losing it.

I switched to Brave and it's so much better. All the benefits of Chrome without the 1984.
 

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Firefox somehow broke autofill for LastPass, so yeah I'm hating the new version.


Yeah, it also forot all my search history, and replaced the new tab suggestions page with a blank one. it's going to be awhile before I have the same uaability as before (because it has to build back up my search history).
 

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Using Fennec Fox. Firefox with even moar privacy. Still haven't seen this change yet. Being the curmudgeon I am, I will probably hate it.
 

sleepeeg3

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Firefox somehow broke autofill for LastPass, so yeah I'm hating the new version.

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Nope.
 

cybereality

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Oh, you mean an alternative to LastPass? I don't know, but it's been solid for me.
 

TheSlySyl

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I'm trying Vivaldi Mobile for now. I use Vivaldi on desktop and love it, but the mobile version still has a little catching up to do to have feature parity (with the previous firefox).
 

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I use Keepass on my desktop and Keepass for Android. I sync it over google drive and it supports unlock with fingerprint if you are into that.
 
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