Firefox now has 25% of the market-

I still use them both. depends on where i am. work - IE, and home - FF
 
Well, it depends on who you're listening to. The other day I read an article (don't remember the source) about the Netscape fiasco that said Firefox had 9%.
 
I highly doubt that FF has 25%

They must have gone to a local college and surveyed a couple hundred of people.

But at work (school district) they are starting to get firefox and thunderbird on some of the computers, but no one really uses them yet,
 
BurntToast said:
I highly doubt that FF has 25%

They must have gone to a local college and surveyed a couple hundred of people.

But at work (school district) they are starting to get firefox and thunderbird on some of the computers, but no one really uses them yet,
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I doubt it. We are replacing Internet Explorer with it on large business networks all the time. Go back to my thread from months ago, and take a look. I said then that this was a war that opensource will win. I stand behind that.

You ain't seen nothing yet!
 
Isnet market share website based? Meaning if i take the logs off of microsofts site, the market share would be different than say google or CNN.com?
 
BurntToast said:
I highly doubt that FF has 25%

They must have gone to a local college and surveyed a couple hundred of people.

But at work (school district) they are starting to get firefox and thunderbird on some of the computers, but no one really uses them yet,
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According to W3schools ("the largest web developers site on the net"), a site known amongst web developers,
Firefox reached a market share of 25%
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W3Schools is a website for people with an interest for web technologies. These people are more interested in using alternative browsers than the average user. The average user tends to use Internet Explorer, since it comes preinstalled with Windows. Most do not seek out other browsers.

These facts indicate that the browser figures below are not 100% realistic. Other web sites have statistics showing that Internet Explorer is used by at least 80% of the users.

Anyway, our data, collected over a two years period, clearly shows the long and medium-term trends.
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http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

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http://ff.asbjorn.it/
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I don't doubt that W3Schools is getting 25% of their traffic from Firefox. I also don't doubt that WindowsUpdate.com gets nearly 100% of its traffic from IE and that addons.mozilla.org gets nearly 100% of its traffic from Firefox and Mozilla. ;)

I suspect that web developers are moving to Firefox much, much more quickly than the general browsing population at large. Surely web developers give W3Schools a large portion of their visits. Their statistics are probably a very poor indicator of general trends.
 
My wife frequents a forum where she and other computer illiterates get together. Everyone on that forum uses Firefox, but none of them give a rat's ass about computers. What they do understand is that they get spyware with Internet Explorer. It isn't rocket science, except to those who supposedly understand computers, and claim to be enthusiasts. Sometimes we get wrapped up in the technical when the selling hook is a really simple thing. One day, people will barely remember the evil Internet Explorer.
 
mosin said:
My wife frequents a forum where she and other computer illiterates get together. Everyone on that forum uses Firefox, but none of them give a rat's ass about computers. What they do understand is that they get spyware with Internet Explorer. It isn't rocket science, except to those who supposedly understand computers, and claim to be enthusiasts. Sometimes we get wrapped up in the technical when the selling hook is a really simple thing. One day, people will barely remember the evil Internet Explorer.
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When I switched from Mac to PC last summer, spyware and viruses were a real concern to me. But ya know what? I haven't gotten anything yet because (A) hubby set me up to be protected and (B) I'm not dumb enough to click thru when it says things like "Do you want to install GAIN and get free supported advertisements delivered directly to your desktop?" or whatever.

The most I've come across is an infected email attachment from spam, which automatically gets scanned and quarantined. Even my outgoing plain text messages get scanned.

I do have Firefox installed but still use IE as my primary browser. Think my security settings are at medium, but that's enough to alert me to any potential problems.

Like you said, this ain't rocket science, but it never ceases to amaze me how utterly stupid some people can be when it comes to allowing their comps to get infected. :rolleyes:
 
What kills me is that I can clean their computers up, install programs to help, and give them suggestions. A few of them disregard everything, and come back in a couple of months. It's their money, so I suppose it's OK with me. :rolleyes:
 
HorsePunchKid said:
I also don't doubt that WindowsUpdate.com gets nearly 100% of its traffic from IE
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actually, i can assure you that Windows update is hitting 100%, since if you hit it with anything else it wont let you update :D

We have a few people in our office who installed firefox and explained it to the user on every computer we worked on. We also had a person who uninstalled firefox on every computer he worked on because he was a moron. we set him straight very quick.

Since i know someone will ask why someone would uninstall firefox:
The guy is not the shapest tool in the shed, Once he caught one of my cowokers attempting to fix an IE Issue by installing firefox and suggeting the user use that insted of IE Rather than actually fixing the error, That propted this guy to uninstall firefox every time the orginal coworker installs it, luckly that guy graduated and we dont have to deal with him!
 
I use IE all the time (although I do have FF 1.0.4 installed). No spyware. Just common sense browsing.
 
Rombus said:
actually, i can assure you that Windows update is hitting 100%, since if you hit it with anything else it wont let you update
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Windows Update yes
but there is more than one way to skin a cat ;)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.aspx (or simply automatic update)
download XP updates for clients boxes w\ W2K & Firefox all the time ;)

IE isnt allowed to talk to the internet, its blocked at the firewall :p
Ive been doing without IE as a browser for over 6 month now,
Ive been doing without any spyware for approx the same amount of time,
a strange coincidence Im sure :p
 
Ice Czar said:
Windows Update yes
but there is more than one way to skin a cat ;)

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/current.aspx (or simply automatic update)
download XP updates for clients boxes w\ W2K & Firefox all the time ;)

IE isnt allowed to talk to the internet, its blocked at the firewall :p
Ive been doing without IE as a browser for over 6 month now,
Ive been doing without any spyware for approx the same amount of time,
a strange coincidence Im sure :p
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I know of autoupdates and stuff, just sayin that winupdate wont let you hit it with anything but IE.

Actually, i stopped using IE completly when i found FireFTP Plugin, its alot like the FTP built into IE, which is nice and quick for quick file transfers without having to load up a full blowen client
 
Hell I figured as much, but you never know
and then there is the peanut gallery :p

;)

I was rather pissed the first time I went to Windows Update w\ Firefox
Im still pissed, since I now lockout IE on clients computers,
and have to set them to stealth install Automatic Updates

while convenient it also doesnt make for higher security consciousness
or allow doublechecking or comparision of fixes for the slightly more competent
 
IE is good if you go to trusted and prestigious sites. its when you start going to bittorrent sites, warez sites, porn sites, and other shady sites that the spyware comes flooding in. Thats when you need firefox.

I use firefox(mostly for tabbed browsing), and other mozilla products, but I'm not blinded by anti-MS sentiment. IE isn't great right now, but anyone who thinks MS is going to leave it like that and not compete with firefox is just plain ignorant.
 
Bo_Bice said:
IE is good if you go to trusted and prestigious sites. its when you start going to bittorrent sites, warez sites, porn sites, and other shady sites that the spyware comes flooding in. Thats when you need firefox..
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"most" of the time
http://asia.cnet.com/news/security/0,39037064,39234709,00.htm
http://www.scmagazine.com/features/...&newsUID=3b65d435-872a-4f99-a81d-f0c66796b83a

in short there are no "safe" sites
the big boys san be hacked or misdirected and spoofed (pharmed)
and when they are its almost invariably IE they expect to show up
 
Yeah. But isn't that a big reason IE 'sucks so bad' in peoples opinion? because people write the malware for IE and not firefox because more people use IE, so it looks like IE is just a malware magnet? That's why I hope firefox never really becomes extremely popular.
 
Bo_Bice said:
Yeah. But isn't that a big reason IE 'sucks so bad' in peoples opinion? because people write the malware for IE and not firefox because more people use IE, so it looks like IE is just a malware magnet? That's why I hope firefox never really becomes extremely popular.
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I think that's a very good point. Once FF has more "market share", so to speak, let's see how "safe" it truly is. Anything is hackable, including FF. And as another stated, if you think IE will go down w/ only a wimper, you're fooling yourself. MS is way too big & rich to let that happen. I think this feeling of security by so many FF users will be exposed eventually. Personally, I'm interested in seeing IE 7 whyen it goes to beta.
 
Bo_Bice said:
Yeah. But isn't that a big reason IE 'sucks so bad' in peoples opinion? because people write the malware for IE and not firefox because more people use IE, so it looks like IE is just a malware magnet? That's why I hope firefox never really becomes extremely popular.
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feverfive said:
I think that's a very good point. Once FF has more "market share", so to speak, let's see how "safe" it truly is. Anything is hackable, including FF. And as another stated, if you think IE will go down w/ only a wimper, you're fooling yourself. MS is way too big & rich to let that happen. I think this feeling of security by so many FF users will be exposed eventually. Personally, I'm interested in seeing IE 7 whyen it goes to beta.
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You guys really should get out more. It might also help to read what the inherent differences are between the two browsers at some point before you speak. One thing you might find out is the reason why a lot of the malware crap is written, and exactly why IE is easier to attack. It is the nature of the beast. IE is going down, by the way. And, just exactly how many security fixes they will have for IE7? ...assuming it ever sees the light of day.

Beam me up, Scotty. :D
 
Bo_Bice said:
Yeah. But isn't that a big reason IE 'sucks so bad' in peoples opinion? because people write the malware for IE and not firefox because more people use IE, so it looks like IE is just a malware magnet? That's why I hope firefox never really becomes extremely popular.
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aint it amazing how much mosin can imply without actually breaking any rules? :p
( I have half a mind to petition a custom title....Snidely Whiplash would fit :p)
the point he made however remains


# In Firefox, it is impossible for a user of any level to misconfigure or allow ActiveX since it is not present.

# Firefox isn't integrated into the shell.

On the one hand, an example of the potential for misuse of any tool by a user (by extension the native security configuration level an app ships with and how well it does in communicating the dangers of changes to the configuration); on the second, the native position of trust or potential harm an app has within the operating system. Those points are of course ranges of gray.

A final point, sheer numbers of flaws within a time period isn't a de facto indicator of how secure an app is, especially when comparing both the severity of the flaw and, more importantly, the maturity of the app.

Without any hard data, just a hunch, I think more flaws being uncovered may well be a good thing in Firefox, potentially indicative of a far faster maturation.

a few similar rips at Frank Langa's article which had your premise and sheer number of flaws as its basic premise (the above was mine)
 
Ice Czar said:
aint it amazing how much mosin can imply without actually breaking any rules? :p
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Who? Me?

Ice Czar said:
( I have half a mind to petition a custom title....Snidely Whiplash would fit :p)
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"Man of Respect" would be better! ;)




I really do need to watch myself however, for fear of turning into djnes brother. :D
 
Bo_Bice said:
Ahh! Say no more! This one comment has put me in my place! :eek: :cool:
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Yup; that one shut me down also:rolleyes: ; not gonna get into a pointless discussion, as I can be as stubborn as the next person. Guess time will tell.
 
On my PC, I wont use anything but IE. I think it is the best their is because its "Intigrated" into windows. It makes going from the C: drive browsing some folder, right to the internet and back without and issues or whatever.

Common sense browsing..

On my Mac, I use Safari :)
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
On my PC, I wont use anything but IE. I think it is the best their is because its "Intigrated" into windows. It makes going from the C: drive browsing some folder, right to the internet and back without and issues or whatever.
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Try pasting this into firefox :p

C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\My Documents
then bookmark it and any others you want ;)

I'll trade webview for some added security in my browser any day, besides I religiously employ Windows Explorer where webview does work, infact I even employ activeX these days internally, safe in the knowledge that IE is cutoff at the firewall, its also blocked as a process (iexplore.exe w\ processGuard) which doesnt effect webview in Windows Explorer , malware could potentially circumvent the firewall, but likely not processguard but even if it did IE starting would be the huge tipoff.
 
USMC2Hard4U said:
On my PC, I wont use anything but IE. I think it is the best their is because its "Intigrated" into windows.
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yea...thats a great...perk. Actually i bet allot of devout firefox users would say just the opposite as to why they use firefox.
 
http://news.com.com/Firefox+growing+in+Europe,+too/2100-1032_3-5734529.html

According to numbers released by French Web metrics company XiTi, Firefox accounted for 14.08 percent of browsers used to access a large sample of Web sites that use XiTi measurement software. That's up from 13.31 percent in April and 11.60 percent in March.

XiTi, which says it monitors more than 148,000 Web sites, showed the biggest Firefox share in Finland, where more than 30 percent of Web surfers used Firefox; Germany, with more than 24 percent, and Hungary, with 22 percent.


mosin said:
http://www.getinternetexplorer.com/
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:p :p :p
 
I seriously doubt that 25% of computer users are using FireFox. Think about it most people are so programmed to think about IE when they think about the internet, I know this is changing some but its slow. I know at my college every computer is set up with IE by default, but I'm starting to see FireFox on some computers in labs and this isn't because I've installed it on some.

Lets face it FireFox is so much nicer than IE. Tabbed browsing is a great technology in surfing. The difference between IE and FireFox in pop-ups is like night and day, I've almost forgot that the internet had pop-up since I quit using IE.

I really hope that FireFox's market share doesn't get too high because that will encourage hackers to exploit weaknesses within it thus making it as crappy as IE.
 
pre sp2 i would say that most of you have a point, but i have had zero trouble using ie with sp2 installed. now, alot of users don't know about service packs and haven't upgraded yet so it's understandable that their security is poor. alot of users also click anything that looks attractive or interesting, without considering the source and/or implications. this is not to knock firefox, as it is also a very capable brower. for those who use firefox, are there any other features besides tabbed browsing that differ from ie significantly. i've only used ff a bit and if there are other worthwhile features, i might make the switch

i think alot of users get caught up in using the next cool program, and alot of people enjoy the "screw microsoft" aspect of using a different browser. i have basically no feelings on microsoft one way or another - if their products work then i use them, and i've found that xp and ie with sp2 are a really mature operating system/browser combination
 
dualblade said:
i think alot of users get caught up in using the next cool program, and alot of people enjoy the "screw microsoft" aspect of using a different browser.
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A lot of people want a secure browser, but this is déjà vu stuff for those who read the whole thread. :rolleyes:

The fact that you can customize Firefox doesn't hurt one bit, either.

M$? 5(r3\/\/ |3I11 94735 & 7]-[3 ]-[0r53 ]-[3 r0|)3 |/\/ 0/\/. :D

dualblade said:
...and i've found that xp and ie with sp2 are a really mature operating system/browser combination
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It's the combination part that is worrisome, and that is what compromises it.
Me? I'll pass.
 
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