FCC Questions Verizon Over Throttling

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  1. HardOCP News

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    The head of the FCC must be a Verizon customer with an unlimited data plan. ;)

     
  2. Parja

    Parja [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Touche, FCC! Hopefully this whole fracas doesn't make Verizon redouble their efforts to find a loophole that will allow them to just kill all the grandfathered unlimited data plans.
     
  3. bloodhawke83

    bloodhawke83 I Strike Fear into the Hearts of the Masses

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    Verizon need to give me a new phone, no contract or 1200.00+. :D
     
  4. inyourface1650

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    Finally someone said something. The real question is, how does using 10GB of Data on an unlimited plan differ from using 10GB on a 10GB plan from a network management point of view? It doesn't. Verizon is setting up arbitrary rules to kill the unlimited plans.

    thanks Tom!
     
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    Yeah someone high up with an unlimited plan is about the only reason I can see the FCC getting into this, since it isn't exactly something new or unique to Verizon.
     
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    Oh no, the fcc is deep troubled by this. How about they act rather than send meaningless letters, verizon knows they can't do this with the deal they signed for their spectrum. Clearly they know tommy boy won't do anything so whose going to stop them?
     
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    bmango Limp Gawd

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    Could be that Tom is trying to scrounge up campaign contributions from verizon with this.
     
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    I'm so fucking sick of big business buying their way out of screwing over the customer. I want a class action lawsuit, boycott of service, and the beating of CEO's with baseball bats, in general.
     
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    Oooooh, he's deeply troubled! Shit is about to go down... any time now. Just wait for it. Fighting words... anything? Nope. OK then. Sit back down gramps, and continue to collect your corporate pay check.
     
  11. nilepez

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    I'm not sure what Verizon is actually doing, but all LTE is getting slower. When the iPhone 5 was fairly new, AT&T LTE was 20 or 30 Mbps with peak speeds over 50mbps. Now the norm is around 5. The same thing happened with 3G. When it first came out, it was fast. Once everyone had a 3G device, speeds went down. I believe this issue is solvable by putting up more towers -- I assume Verizon and AT&T are more than capable of handling the bandwidth needs once it gets to fiber.

    Best thing you can do is port out of your carrier (assuming another has good coverage). Your carrier will fight to keep you...they all do (just like Comcast) and they'll offer you stuff to stay.
     
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    I wonder if a "Dingo" ate Hans Blitx's baby :p
     
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    Ultima99 [H]ardness Supreme

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    Hans Brix? Awww nooo!
     
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    Tom: "Verizon, I am deeply troubled by your plans to throttl-" *verizon interrupts with large paycheck*
    Tom: "I see, you make a valid argument, carry on."
     
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    Like I said in the other VZW thread I'm justing waiting to see what actually happens to my speeds come October. If its a problem I'll maybe consider switching carriers or even [gasp] ending my unlimited with VZW
     
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    Tom Wheeler then ended his letter with "Tee hee hee"
     
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    No dessert for you Verizon!!

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  18. Parja

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    I can still get 50Mbps with Verizon during off-peak hours, though 40 is more like it during the day. Probably just congestion on your tower.
     
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    Yeah one reason I stick with VZW is their unmatched speeds in my town. Now if I get throttled that's a different story
     
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    If you do decide to end it, sell your account. I'm sure values will take a hit with significant throttling, but you'll get something for it.
     
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    FCC pretending to flex some muscle for show?
     
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    From the regulatory position this is actually kind of cool, especially for me with a grandfathered unlimited 4g connection I use everyday ;)

    Hopefully, we can see some reversal in their stance. Especially since in 3-4 years, they will be back to unlimited data anyway as the markets respond to customer demands for data.
     
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    I so wish I could agree with you but in my opinion you're so wrong. They're never going back to unlimited data, ever, now or in the future. They've realized there is way too much money to be made by tiered data plans and they'll spend all the money they have to lobbying to make sure they get one they want. Which is higher profits for them and less service for you.

    I'd bet money on it.
     
  24. nilepez

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    Multiple people doing speed tests with different devices on a few different carriers. Obviously it can vary by market, but we've done it a few times and it's pretty clear what's happened.
     
  25. nilepez

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    It's not just that. The reality is that carriers didn't realize how much data was going to be used. Android devices were using significantly more data than RIM devices. Even if you weren't doing a lot, they data usage went up significantly. It really doesn't matter to me, because I don't use enough wireless data to care. I'm not a fan of watch movies on my phone and I rarely use my tabelt (it's a bit old now) and when i do, I use wifi.
     
  26. JaiWebb

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    You say that now until they cap all home broadband connections as well, permanently.
     
  27. Semantics

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    Yeah screw the 120.55 Billion dollar company hurting the tiny 4.37 Billion dollar company.
     
  28. JaiWebb

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    Isn't this Verizon versus its customers, not Verizon versus another company?
     
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    First of all 4G doesn't even exist properly, it's supposed to be 100 mbit/s since years ago on mobile and 1 gbit/s for modems. But instead of actually catching up to the real standard their answer is more throttling?
     
  30. nilepez

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    But this article is about wireless caps. I already have to live with a cap (I don't like it, but I manage).

    As for caps, it's not clear what will happen. If it continues with as a monopoloy/duopoly market, then there's a problem, but if Google, Municipal Fiber and other local players join in, then caps may go away. Nobody's going to pay for gigabit fiber and accept the caps that currently exist. With that said, if everyone was uploading/downloading 1gbps all day every day, then there'd be caps, but they'd be much higher than the current caps, and they'd have to rise as the bitrate of streaming media increased.

    I actually use more bandwidth with a cap. I do my best to use every last bit every single month. What I don't like about it is that there are times where they claim I've used 10-20% more than my router does. Considering how close it is on a day to day basis, I think there's a bug in the metering.
     
  31. JaiWebb

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    I know what the article was about. I was just saying the only reason you don't care is because you mostly use your home WiFi. Well, you'll care soon enough when wired and wireless internet connections are both throttled and capped down hard. It's coming, IMO.

    Wishful thinking. Money trumps what should be with what is.

    Google Fiber is in two or three cities right now. I'm not holding my breath for it to become a dominant player in the ISP game (at least not in my area). As for the caps rising, sure, they'll rise just enough to keep robbing the customer on something that used to be unlimited.

    I use more data when I'm not capped. As I have more to use.

    These are the same people you think will be fair when they slowly lock down the internet with fast/slow lanes, throttling, and capping, more and more, over time.


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    Tin Foil Hat On Time - I seriously think the government right down to the ISP's are wanting less important information being passed to the normal citizens over the internet and enacting all these bullshit policies are how they're going to get what they want. Similar to the way Reddit has become a site with a lot of censorship of legit topics. The people running this country want the whole damn internet working that way, too. It sounds crazy today, it'll be common knowledge tomorrow (not literally), IMO. :eek:
     
  32. nilepez

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    Ah that makes sense, if you ignore the fact that there are other Gigabit providers. Your City or county could do it if they wanted to. Chattanooga already did it. There's money to be made in the Gigabit space, as long as there's enough customers to justify the build out. The problem is that most people don't need gigabit connections and don't want to pay $70 for internet. There's a reason why AT&T jumped in the game. It will happen. And tinman, the public outcry on FCC rules, and congressional acts, that are perceived to benefit ISPs are consistently killed by the very vocal internet users.

    Things will change. Not for cellular, but wireline will work itself out...unless we actually go full on tea party. Then you're fucked, but that ain't happenin'