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It is exactly the opposite.
On any given neighbour (I'm talking about my place, of course) you have 6 (or more) companies offering pretty much the same services. So, one of them decides to lay down fiber... do you know what happens? Everybody goes to the one that offers fiber (so they upgrade their package) and the rest of the companies lose a ton of customers. What do the other competing companies, then? In this case, they make joint-ventures to lay fiber together and split the investment costs. So they compete or lose money (because they lose customers).
In here you can't expand to new areas. They do not exist. There is coverage pretty much everywhere (so everybody already has internet)... so companies have to invest to take customers from other companies. In my street they installed the fiber this summer and I know that at least half the neighbours went to fiber. We have 50/50 for 50€/month and 300/300 for ~60€/month. The speed is real because I get sustained download speeds of 39MB/s while downloading steam games, to name a good example.
All in all, the only way to force companies to invest is when they have to invest or lose customers. As far as I know the USA is riddled with areas where you only have a single or maybe two providers. Heck, wasn't there a huge buyout in the industry not too long ago? I thought they were going to save a ton in costs and other stuff but it ends up that those companies are seldom offered together in the same area, so they are in the same industry but they do not compete.
It sounds like you live in a special place that has created a niche market with extraordinary conditions... in other words, you are the exception and not the rule.
This shit just gets worse by the damn day... wtf is wrong with these tools?
Unfortunately this is set to continue indefinitely until wireless with landline speeds becomes common, which might take a few decades at minimum. Digging and laying cable without a guaranteed subscriber base is a difficult and expensive job that nobody wants to do. A company as big and rich as Google didn't have the stomach for it, and if they don't see the value in it then it will be very hard to convince anyone else. Removing all government regulation red tape around it would help, but I don't know if that alone would be enough. You would probably either have to force them to do it (questionable legality) or pay them to do it with tax money and incentives (How much?).
I guess this affects who?
I mean everywhere I've lived has already laid the foundation for decent high speed internet.
I don't think I've lived anywhere that doesn't do 100/10 at minimum and some of those places were not destinations in themselves.
Also as someone with a 4K tv and a streaming device the only thing I've watched in 4K is the man in the high castle. I figured by now the Super Bowl would be broadcast in 4K.
Get me content and then I'll worry about this numb nuts.
It sounds like you live in a special place that has created a niche market with extraordinary conditions... in other words, you are the exception and not the rule.
This is only a problem when we have a duopoly. If we had more providers in the country, at least one of them would try to get an edge over the others by investing in better infrastructure. And honestly, the states and municipalities should be the ones laying the conduit in the ground anyway. They dig up thousands of miles of roads every year.
This jackasses will be out of office in 4 years. Whatever shit they try and pull and or end up doing can be reversed when Cuban gets into office or Hillary.
Not really. Why, just recently we've put lots of morons in positions of power.Its amazing how the last remaining super power/first world country has morons like this in positions of power.
Oh yes. Another billionaire (who simply got lucky by creating a website at just the right time, that went ballistic and made him very, very rich).This jackasses will be out of office in 4 years. Whatever shit they try and pull and or end up doing can be reversed when Cuban gets into office or Hillary.
He's not an idiot. Neither is Trump. But neither of them belong in the top of gov't without any experience. I think all the missteps Trump is making is demonstrative of that.And Mark Cuban is an idiot.
This is the problem. Once the hardware is in place, why is basic service so expensive?I have the choice of 150mb down for $88, 50mb for $78/month, or 15mb for $63/month. I have the 50mb which is plenty for our household, and would switch to 30mb if it was half the price. $63 for 15mb is just crazy.
The last quote explains why we cannot trust the so called free market to correct things; because the folks that run 'the free market' are always using paid for exclusive contracts to PREVENT competition. That's been going on for a very long time in this country, all the way back into the 1800's.Conservatives are about freeing business from government and allowing the free market to correct such things.
The problem there, is that too many old timers (also many conservatives) deem high speed internet as an unnecessary item, because they think of it as only entertainment.....like it was back in the 80's and early 90's. Today, much of what we do is tied into online connections, and big business has used it to offer less service. Many send out manipulative carefully worded letters to account holders in order to stop their snail mail correspondence, in order to increase profits by eliminating USPS costs. So, all that has to be done online now. Support too, now you can't get someone on the phone, and have to have an online chat to get problems resolved. Today, a decent online connection is necessary for a normal life.IF the government is going to treat "high speed" internet as a utility, what defines it as such?
As others have mentioned, this country is simply too big to do it in a whole lot of areas. It took many decades to get all the rural areas wired just for basic POTS. It will take just as long to get fiber out to them. Satellite is their only hope for the time being.Problem is lack of competition. Only solution I see is to force competition.
Oh my, they'd have to give up all those luscious profits.If it were like this then we wouldn't have monopolies. How would the poor ISPs survive.
Oh yeah, like the current administration is going to go for removing the profitable private companies from the equation.It's amazing how cheap internet can be (for the customer) when profit is removed
Thankfully I already have Google Fiber. They aren't going to impose caps or screw shit up like the fucktard cable and phone industry are waiting to do now that their puppets have some power. Hopefully any damage done during this administration can be easily reversed in 4 years (or less).
Ehm... no. I believe you assume I'm from the USA.. I'm not European here! And it is the rule here (to have half a dozen companies to choose from... fiber is another matter).
The last quote explains why we cannot trust the so called free market to correct things; because the folks that run 'the free market' are always using paid for exclusive contracts to PREVENT competition. That's been going on for a very long time in this country, all the way back into the 1800's.
Well we're talking about the US here, and market conditions in a country where you can walk a block to get everything you need to survive don't really apply to a country where you have to drive 5 or sometimes even 10 miles just to get a quart of milk. Tiny congested size has a lot to do with the glut of choice you have. Laying cable or any type of infrastructure in the US is an entirely more expensive endeavor.
To be fair he only claimed he was making America great, not which America, or even the United States. This could be great news for Argentina.
The problem there, is that too many old timers (also many conservatives) deem high speed internet as an unnecessary item, because they think of it as only entertainment.....like it was back in the 80's and early 90's. Today, much of what we do is tied into online connections, and big business has used it to offer less service. Many send out manipulative carefully worded letters to account holders in order to stop their snail mail correspondence, in order to increase profits by eliminating USPS costs. So, all that has to be done online now. Support too, now you can't get someone on the phone, and have to have an online chat to get problems resolved. Today, a decent online connection is necessary for a normal life.
And Mark Cuban is an idiot. No, he really is. He doesn't call the big shots any more. If he were so important to running his companies, he wouldn't be donating so much of his personal time at the AVS forums. Like Trump, he's just a guy with money who got lucky enough one day with an investment to cash in. I.
Ehm... no. I believe you assume I'm from the USA.. I'm not European here! And it is the rule here (to have half a dozen companies to choose from... fiber is another matter).
Why should the states have to pay for anything? This is unheard of in here. What the law forces, though, is that any company creating an infrastructure in the telecomms industry must share it with others (at cost, I believe) after some time (2 decades I think? Not sure). So, the old copper lines can be used by pretty much everybody for very little money. That forces competition and forces companies to innovate.
Also, do your municipalities have to pay for the electric poles and cable used for power?
Trump has proved that we can elect a celebrity. While we would never see Kanye in office, Cuban would prove even more popular than Trump.
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Oh yeah, like the current administration is going to go for removing the profitable private companies from the equation.
That's the great thing about local. Middle finger to the blow hard piss-shower-happy POTUS. Fiber 1gig up+down for $50? Really strange anyone's waiting for corps to do it. Hint: they never will as they're already making upwards of 90% profit per sub with internet.
I'm not sure, because I'm one of those 'old guys' who really only uses the thing for reading and entertainment; and I have verizon's fios because I can afford it and it's worked without a hitch since around 2010 when I got it (comcast was before that, with lots of intermittant disconnects for no apparent reason; before 2004 I had DSL).But what type of bandwidth is necessary for this?
I'm not sure, because I'm one of those 'old guys' who really only uses the thing for reading and entertainment; and I have verizon's fios because I can afford it and it's worked without a hitch since around 2010 when I got it (comcast was before that, with lots of intermittant disconnects for no apparent reason; before 2004 I had DSL).
Lots of younger people use it for school and other things in pursuit of education. I don't know how much multimedia is involved in online education, nor how much bandwidth would be a necessity for that purpose. Also, perhaps someone can let me know exactly what the benefit of high speed uploads for the residential masses is. I don't upload a whole lot of stuff. 50/50 exceeds my needs by quite a bit; but it comes with the package.
WTF are you saying?haha...get a job and get your own internet ...I shouldn't have to pay for the free internet that you really seek...besides you have hair on your palms so it's obvious what you use the web for...haha
Hey at least he's not saying that Americans are not ready for ultra fast broadband and wouldn't utilise it even if it was free, like the government-appointed head of the Australian National Broadband said recently: http://www.news.com.au/technology/o...s/news-story/2271ef7a1b9095ba21fe154a1bb0eb21
The current government in Australia has crawled so far up Rupert Murdoch's ass that they can taste what he has for breakfast each morning. Murdoch, of course, runs Foxtel, the only pay cable TV company in Australia. You can get fast internet if you want to pay for cable tv as well. Otherwise you're shit out of luck. The NBN is not fast internet since this government killed it at the behest of Murdoch. It also stops people streaming videos in competition with Foxtel. I'm currently stuck on ADSL 1. I get, at max, 175 kilobytes/sec download. Mean time the NBN chief is loving those Foxtel donations.
RAAAAAAGE
According toThe Courier Mail, Mr Morrow said there wasn’t “that big of a demand out there” for it, and overseas providers found consumers weren’t making the most of high-speed downloads.
A while ago they were talking about what qualified for the marketing term 'broadband'. It was an attempt for Cable to block DSL from using the term in advertising. No ones service would have improved either way at that time but clickbaitie articles implied thus.The FCC has been like this forever. I don't see it changing any time soon.
They were balking at making an even slower speed the "standard" a few years ago.
And before that they were balking at making an even slower speed the "standard".
The states shouldn't have to pay, but the number one excuse that the ISPs make (from atop their ginormous piles of money) is that running new fiber is too expensive. So they continue to use copper (which was also heavily subsidized by the government, btw) that dates back to the times of Disco and roller skates. It would be more cost effective to lay conduit when the roads are already torn up.
Municipalities do not have to pay for utility poles, they are in the public way and usually either owned by the power company or the phone company. Anyone that wants to attach to the poles must pay the owner a fee. In some states, a certain amount of pole space is reserved for use by the municipality, without fee.
We have similar laws that state ISPs must lease their lines to other ISPs, but it is written in such a way that it only applies to copper DSL phone lines. The copper phone lines in this country are in such bad shape, this usually limits you to less than 1mbps in the country, 8mbps in a decently sized town, and maybe 24mbps in a city. The fastest DSL available in my state is 8mbps, and the fastest cable is 50mbps.