Father, Son Caught By Surprise As Drone Shot Out Of Sky

As messed up as it is to think it's your right to invade other peoples privacy, it is orders of magnitude more fucked up to think it is OK to solve your problems with a gun.
 
Borgschulze said:
On the street is not the same as hovering over your property.
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Exactly. If i see a radio controlled plane, helicopter, or drone flying by, I really don't care. But I equate a drone hovering over my yard with someone peeking in my windows; don't be surprised if while you're doing your 'peeking', someone sneaks up behind YOU and hits you over the head with a bat.

Very simply. Keep it moving, no problem. If it's moving, it's not likely to get shot down, because it will be out of range before any potential shooter goes to get their gun (unless you're stupid enough to fly your drone around a hunting area).

This is all just a result of adolescent minded individuals growing up physically, yet refusing to mature. They find a way to play spy and then find out that the opposing spies have countermeasures, and don't like it. Seems nobody learned from the U2 Francis Gary Powers incident.
 
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Six ways to disable a drone

#1 is obviously KISS - Gun. #3 and #4 have potential. I wouldn't mind a freebie $1000 drone for myself or multiples. And if I get lucky, I might come across one with expensive Go-Pro camera attached to it. Can make some easy bucks reselling them for cheap due to no remotes.

I'm surprised that Dregan73 from Post #2 has not responded. I hope he didn't really try to prove he is an internet tough guy and got himself hurt. I wonder if that is the reason why he is #73. Did the previous 72 Dregans fail?
 
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mlcarson said:
Both sides were in the wrong. The drone was trespassing. The guy who shot it down damaged private property. I'd call it even. If you're within shotgun range, you're too close.
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This would be the correct one, the drone was willingly put into someones domain and that person chose to shoot it down, now that doesn't mean the guy who shot it down isn't a douchebag for doing so but you also need to understand this one simple fact: People are shitbags.

While helping a friend out on his farm well out into the country we saw someone flying a drone over his pastures and while it was on his property we didn't care as it wasn't causing harm or any sort of privacy concerns. That is until a bit later his horses started freaking out and panicking and we watched whomever was flying the drone buzzing by his horses and chasing after them. It wasn't a high flyover either but low enough and chasing the horses when they ran that it got to a point where the risk of the horses injuring themselves from the harassment from the drone was pretty high and so we made the call to shoot the drone down.

If the people flying the drone had asked if they could fly on the private property it wouldn't have been a big deal, as it was we didn't pay any mind about them flying it (presumably from the side of the highway) over the pastures and such as they were nowhere near any houses and it was just bare land. It was only when they became a shitlord with what they were doing that we took it down. The simple moral of the story is if you're going to fly a drone do it on your own property or on property you have permission to do so and don't be dickish about what you're doing. If you ask someone if you can fly a drone on their property most of the time if you show them what it is and video feeds and such people won't have any cares about it.
 
mlcarson said:
Both sides were in the wrong. The drone was trespassing. The guy who shot it down damaged private property. I'd call it even. If you're within shotgun range, you're too close.
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I don't know about that. Shotgun rounds can traverse almost 1000ft. In my neck of the woods, 1000 feet is two blocks, 10 houses long each. You've just crossed 20 of my neighbors yards in that shotgun range.

The problem is also one of perception. It is very difficult to tell exactly what property someone is over when looking at an object flying through the sky. It may look like its over your yard to you, but maybe it's the neighbors drone two doors down, and he never even left his own property, and now you are going to shoot at it, and potentially endanger the 20 nearest homes in the direction of your fire?
 
I don't think they should be punished for shooting the drone, but for shooting a gun, unless it is out in the boonies.
Stupid people flying drones over peoples yards/property..... Too bad.
 
snowcrash said:
Six ways to disable a drone

#1 is obviously KISS - Gun. #3 and #4 have potential. I wouldn't mind a freebie $1000 drone for myself or multiples. And if I get lucky, I might come across one with expensive Go-Pro camera attached to it. Can make some easy bucks reselling them for cheap due to no remotes.
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That is just straight-up theft.

I keep hearing this guy was in the right because the drone was "on/over his property" but there is zero mention or evidence in the article to support that theory.
 
ShamisOMally said:
I'd park my ass in the street and film your life 24/7

What now?
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PPO for stalking.

Stalking can be defined as the willful and repeated following, watching and/or harassing of another person. Unlike other crimes, which usually involve one act, stalking is a series of actions that occur over a period of time.
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Its kind of funny how people think that behaviors that are unacceptable in person are ok from a drone.

I mean the nearest human analog to a drone, is a helicoptor hovering over a private residence with someone staring down with binoculars. Maybe the police wouldn't be involved right away unless you did it repeatedly to the same person. Or it was obvious you were looking at someone by the pool. But if you did it repeatedly to others, the FFA would probably get involved first on their own. There's another big difference a helicopter is plastered with identification.

if drones were chipped so that the drone could be pinged by people and get a FAA registration number where if the police are contacted, the FAA turns over the owner's name and address to the police, I suspect we'd hear a lot less of this activity.
 
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jpm100 said:
PPO for stalking.



Its kind of funny how people think that behaviors that are unacceptable in person are ok from a drone.

I mean the nearest human analog to a drone, is a helicoptor hovering over a private residence with someone staring down with binoculars. Maybe the police wouldn't be involved right away unless you did it repeatedly to the same person. Or it was obvious you were looking at someone by the pool. But if you did it repeatedly to others, the FFA would probably get involved first on their own. There's another big difference a helicopter is plastered with identification.

if drones were chipped so that the drone could be pinged by people and get a FAA registration number where if the police are contacted, the FAA turns over the owner's name and address to the police, I suspect we'd hear a lot less of this activity.
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Excellent points. To everyone saying file a complaint with the police, how do you track the owner down? These drones do at least 30 mph and aren't restricted by roads.
 
I don't think you've used a shotgun much. They have very little penetrating power except at short range unless a slug was used. There's probably shotguns in many of the houses on your block. Are you concerned that your neighbors are going to kill you if they have to protect themselves during a home invasion? They won't unless you were the one they were aiming at inside the house.
The assumption was that this was in a rural environment anyway or the guy shooting already violated the law even if he hadn't hit the drone. These drones should be illegal unless they are flying over your property or property that you have permission to fly over. I could see exceptions at higher altitudes but otherwise this seems to be both a trespass and privacy issue.

Zarathustra[H] said:
I don't know about that. Shotgun rounds can traverse almost 1000ft. In my neck of the woods, 1000 feet is two blocks, 10 houses long each. You've just crossed 20 of my neighbors yards in that shotgun range.

The problem is also one of perception. It is very difficult to tell exactly what property someone is over when looking at an object flying through the sky. It may look like its over your yard to you, but maybe it's the neighbors drone two doors down, and he never even left his own property, and now you are going to shoot at it, and potentially endanger the 20 nearest homes in the direction of your fire?
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Ducman69 said:
Yeah, except you really wouldn't. You'd say you would on the internet, but not really, lets be honest.

Or let me guess, if the neighbors dog is barking, and that's annoying, you'd shoot it?

If a loud Harley drives past your house, you'd shoot it?

But thanks for giving firearm owners a bad name, appreciate it.
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Except you listed a bunch of things that aren't in his yard like the drone he said he'd shoot down...
 
When will people realize that they aren't that interesting? No one wants to see your junk, or your wife sunbathing, or your daughter swimming, or whatever the fuck other excuses you have, from a 120 degree wide angle lens thats 200 feet away. The selection on Pornhub beats that any day. No one wants to spy on your with a shitty little drone camera, ffs.
 
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When will people realize that they aren't that interesting? No one wants to see your junk, or your wife sunbathing, or your daughter swimming, or whatever the fuck other excuses you have, from a 120 degree wide angle lens thats 200 feet away. The selection on Pornhub beats that any day. No one wants to spy on your with a shitty little drone camera, ffs.
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Then why are they flying well within 200 ft? Getting close enough to other people and their property that they are getting shot down so easily? (At 200ft up, a Phantom 3 drone is very difficult to see let alone shoot unless it is just hovering)
If you fly a camera platform close enough to people to snoop, they are going to assume you are snooping, regardless of what is available on Pornhub. Not necessarily saying it should be open season, but these things are being used stupidly, and people are responding stupidly as a result.
 
mlcarson said:
I don't think you've used a shotgun much. They have very little penetrating power except at short range unless a slug was used. There's probably shotguns in many of the houses on your block. Are you concerned that your neighbors are going to kill you if they have to protect themselves during a home invasion? They won't unless you were the one they were aiming at inside the house.
The assumption was that this was in a rural environment anyway or the guy shooting already violated the law even if he hadn't hit the drone. These drones should be illegal unless they are flying over your property or property that you have permission to fly over. I could see exceptions at higher altitudes but otherwise this seems to be both a trespass and privacy issue.
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You are right, I have very little experience with shotguns. No I am not worried my neighbors may inadvertently shoot me due to home defense. Unlike rifles, with shotguns walls will stop just about everything.

There's a big difference between firing your weapon into the air and firing it indoors in an intruder like situation.

Birdshot may not have much in the way of penetrating power at range, but I still wouldn't want to be walking down my street and take some to the face.
 
FAA stated not near populated areas some one else's home counts. You might get fined for shooting it down but you can say you need proof if it over your property so the cops can arrest the person who owns the tail number. I'd say invest in one of those speeding things if it is legal to own where you live it might scramble the frequency and if it close enough to a fixed point on a permanent structure, and you can turn it off if the faa or cops have an issue with it, you might get away with it since it would be a limited range...
 
drakken said:
FAA stated not near populated areas some one else's home counts. You might get fined for shooting it down but you can say you need proof if it over your property so the cops can arrest the person who owns the tail number. I'd say invest in one of those speeding things if it is legal to own where you live it might scramble the frequency and if it close enough to a fixed point on a permanent structure, and you can turn it off if the faa or cops have an issue with it, you might get away with it since it would be a limited range...
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I'm not sure what you mean when you say "speeding things" but it sounds like you are talking about some sort of signal blocker? Might run you afoul of the FCC before the FAA gets involved. The hobby drones usually work on the open 2.4Ghz bands, right? So you might possibly off your neighbors too by harming their WIFI performance :p
 
Not all drones are recreational. What if one these days one asshole shots down a commercial drone, with all clearances and authorizations? My company is thinking about buying an $500.000 drone in the near future. The idiot trying to take that out could be paying for it the rest of his miserable life.
 
I like to expose myself. I hope my neighbors get some drones so I can do it in a safe and legal manner, especially for the childrens
 
Would your company drone be flying into a persons backyard? Highly doubt it since your company could face legal implications. I think these people were being annoying and flying this dumb thing through peoples yards. The deputy won't charge the shooter because he agrees with the annoyance of invasion of property of these things.
 
M76 said:
Not all drones are recreational. What if one these days one asshole shots down a commercial drone, with all clearances and authorizations? My company is thinking about buying an $500.000 drone in the near future. The idiot trying to take that out could be paying for it the rest of his miserable life.
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You would need this person's written permission before flying over his house anyways.

Not all pilots are this way. I fly often, on my property or on a farm with the owners permission during daylight hours. Just a small one that flies fast and maybe fly for an hour at best (thats all i have battery for).

It sucks how this hobby is getting so much negative spotlight from pricks that just like to screw with people.
 
So many badasses in this thread.

Idiots that shoot their guns at drones are the reason anti-gun folks have ways of making their case that not everyone should own a gun. I'm as pro 2A as they come, but if you shoot at a drone in a populated neighborhood "because America", you absolutely shouldn't have a gun.
 
Damn Dirty Ape said:
Yeah we fly them just to upset everyone on purpose. It couldn't be that we enjoy the FLYING part of it for our own reasons. Wow.
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I want one to fly and have fun. Take some nice pics of cool stuff (ocean, waterfalls, etc.). But, I think the huge thing that a lot of drone operators don't do is thinking about other people. Many have the attitude of "It's the law, I can do what I want. Doesn't matter what you think.". Sure, technically it's legal. But, it's still an asshole move to fly around other people being annoying. Have a little respect for other people, and I think they'll have some respect for you and your RC stuff, too.
 
OEM well said

the nut job that last shot one down that had lots of news buzz on it from the sounds of it he should of been in a mental institute and he should pay the $1000-2000 (he taken the legal route so going to cost him more legal fees then just paying for a new drone) , the mad thing is even from the posts in here on it shows how fucked up USA is with some gun nuts are (the bad gun nuts that should not have a gun, as everyone can have as many guns and be a gun nut but that's fine as they want as long as used correctly, aiming at sky and shooting anything that is moving is not)

the day some one shots a commercial drone down or even better a Law enforcement one will be in a world of hurt from legal fees alone

do they ever think that the persons drone they have shot down Might also have a gun and might also flip out on them or maybe worse they might sue you and the court fees alone can bankrupt you if the person with the drone has enough money to do it (in USA i think i prefer to be shot then be sued as it be cheaper)
 
Not only does a drone have to be close enough and slow moving enough for the homeowner to shoot it, but unless the homeowner regularly walks around with his shotgun, he had to go inside the house, grab the gun, go back outside and then shoot the drone. So can all the drone defenders tell me why the drone was hovering around this guy's property for that long of a time?
 
El dumbass was like oh, I can see people there... lets get low and see who it is... fuck that.
 
Darunion said:
You would need this person's written permission before flying over his house anyways.
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Has it even been formally established that land ownership extends to airspace ownership? I haven't been keeping up with this.

What I do know - however - is that humans are very poor at determining the location of flying objects, especially when you don't know the size of the drone it is very easy to misjudge it's position. it may not be over your property at all, but you might think it looks as if it is...
 
DocSavage said:
So can all the drone defenders tell me why the drone was hovering around this guy's property for that long of a time?
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Because most people in the USA live in the suburbs and cities and most people fly their drones close to their own home that happens to be by many other homes and fly them more than once? What if, hear me out now, some of these asshole gun guys (not all gun guys are assholes either) starts waiting for the drone(s) to even just get near their property to blast it? A lot of weird people want to and some even do shoot actual people they find annoying so it's not a stretch to think humans care less about shooting 'things not alive'.

I'm positive there have already been many incidents occurring over kids (which tend to be young assholes) flying their drones 'just near' older assholes homes and not even technically on their property. The thing is though, you can't shoot things you don't like, you have to just report them to the authorities. It's pretty simple. If some asshole shot a kids drone out of the sky in my neighborhood just for it being around or even on his property I'd be more pissed off about his obviously unstable mental state than the (probably young) drone operators actions.

Escalation Procedure.

1. Just ask them nicely not to fly their drone by or on your property. Hint: It's usually the younger looking person with the big fucking remote in their hands within a block or two of the flying drone.

2. Threaten to report them face to face (with no gun present) next time they do it while recording the public request.

3. Report them to the authorities and show the authorities your previously recorded polite public request.

4. Go to war. Release your weaponized Big-Dog robot. Shoot their dog too. Fuck it, kill their family. It's your time to shine. Me, I'd just get my own drone and fuck with them back but I'm an asshole myself. They'll tire of me much quicker than I'll tire of them.
 
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Zarathustra[H] said:
Has it even been formally established that land ownership extends to airspace ownership? I haven't been keeping up with this.

What I do know - however - is that humans are very poor at determining the location of flying objects, especially when you don't know the size of the drone it is very easy to misjudge it's position. it may not be over your property at all, but you might think it looks as if it is...
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Current law says 500 feet. Most drones should be a tiny speck at 500 feet.
 
Darunion said:
You would need this person's written permission before flying over his house anyways.

Not all pilots are this way. I fly often, on my property or on a farm with the owners permission during daylight hours. Just a small one that flies fast and maybe fly for an hour at best (thats all i have battery for).

It sucks how this hobby is getting so much negative spotlight from pricks that just like to screw with people.
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So the pilots of all planes go around getting written permission from everyone who he will fly over ? Of course not. Or better yet does the US army ask for written permission from everyone to fly their drones over cities?

You would never get any kind of work done if you'd have ask for written consent from every last prick to do an aerial survey of an area. And of course you don'T need to ask permission if you have permission from the FAA. The drone I'm talking about would have a tail number as well, so for all intents and purposes the farmer has no business questioning it's flightplan.
 
CreatedTheMultiverse said:
Because most people in the USA live in the suburbs and cities and most people fly their drones close to their own home that happens to be by many other homes and fly them more than once? What if, hear me out now, some of these asshole gun guys (not all gun guys are assholes either) starts waiting for the drone(s) to even just get near their property to blast it? A lot of weird people want to and some even do shoot actual people they find annoying so it's not a stretch to think humans care less about shooting 'things not alive'.

I'm positive there have already been many incidents occurring over kids (which tend to be young assholes) flying their drones 'just near' older assholes homes and not even technically on their property. The thing is though, you can't shoot things you don't like, you have to just report them to the authorities. It's pretty simple. If some asshole shot a kids drone out of the sky in my neighborhood just for it being around or even on his property I'd be more pissed off about his obviously unstable mental state than the (probably young) drone operators actions.

Escalation Procedure.

1. Just ask them nicely not to fly their drone by or on your property. Hint: It's usually the younger looking person with the big fucking remote in their hands within a block or two of the flying drone.

2. Threaten to report them face to face (with no gun present) next time they do it while recording the public request.

3. Report them to the authorities and show the authorities your previously recorded polite public request.

4. Go to war. Release your weaponized Big-Dog robot. Shoot their dog too. Fuck it, kill their family. It's your time to shine. Me, I'd just get my own drone and fuck with them back but I'm an asshole myself. They'll tire of me much quicker than I'll tire of them.
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So for this to work, I need to canvas at a minimum, a four square block area consisting of going up and down 5 vertical streets and across 5 horizontal streets looking for someone with a remote and hoping they aren't indoors or in their back yards? lol. And really, the drones have more than a two block range.
 
Tsumi said:
Current law says 500 feet. Most drones should be a tiny speck at 500 feet.
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Source please. This would be the first time I'm hearing about an altitude limit for property ownership. Unless this is new, last time I checked, any airspace over your lot is not your property.

Plus the FAA limit is 400' anyway so you can't legally fly at 500'
 
Biznatch said:
Source please. This would be the first time I'm hearing about an altitude limit for property ownership. Unless this is new, last time I checked, any airspace over your lot is not your property.

Plus the FAA limit is 400' anyway so you can't legally fly at 500'
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Do You Own the Air Above Your Home?

Air rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Debate with regards to drones.
Navigable Airspace: Where Private Property Rights End and Navigable Airspace Begins | On the Radar
 
M76 said:
So the pilots of all planes go around getting written permission from everyone who he will fly over ? Of course not. Or better yet does the US army ask for written permission from everyone to fly their drones over cities?

You would never get any kind of work done if you'd have ask for written consent from every last prick to do an aerial survey of an area. And of course you don'T need to ask permission if you have permission from the FAA. The drone I'm talking about would have a tail number as well, so for all intents and purposes the farmer has no business questioning it's flightplan.
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I am not sure what your point is you are trying to make. From what I can gather is you feel that all aircraft and government and military all are treated the same as model aircraft pilots? This would be incorrect. My point was if you are flying drones around someone's back yard you would best need permission from them. If you are flying high enough it can't be seen where it is, you are already becoming in risk of not flying within visual range. And if you are that high, the person won't hear it anyways.
 
DocSavage said:
So for this to work, I need to canvas at a minimum, a four square block area consisting of going up and down 5 vertical streets and across 5 horizontal streets looking for someone with a remote and hoping they aren't indoors or in their back yards? lol. And really, the drones have more than a two block range.
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Let's assume this particular drone is a DJI Phantom 4 priced around $1250 (see here)

You could just watch the general direction it returns to and use a little common sense to follow the drone that's flying within .85 miles of its operator in the country (open space areas) or only within .34 miles in a crowded suburb/city. Fun fact: My block and many blocks in my neighborhood are give or take a .35 mile perimeter as I jog my area and GPS my jogs all the time. So that means just watching which way the evil little drone goes back to its operator I could know what block in my area it's more than likely returning to and use that information to find the more than likely young male attempting to have some fun without regards to me being angry about him using the airspace above our neighborhood (that I don't even own) without my personal explicit permission because I am so important.

Operating range is phenomenal. In an open area, clear of visual obstructions, I was able to fly about 4,500 feet before the video signal cut out—that gives you the freedom to operate within visual range of your aircraft without worry about a stuttering video feed. In a more crowded, suburban environment, the operating range is just shy of 1,800 feet—both are the best we've seen in any drone, including DJI's pro-grade Inspire 1.

In the US, recreational drone flight is limited to a ceiling of 400 feet (125 meters) above ground level. If you're flying in an area with more relaxed regulations, you can set the maximum altitude to 1,640 feet (500 meters) from within the app. Source
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DocSavage said:
And really, the drones have more than a two block range.
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My car has more than a 400 mile range, I still don't drive 400 miles (or even drive 15-30 miles) every time I get in it.
 
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SuicidalGoat said:
Why do you need an actual gun? I am sure a paintball marker is plenty enough to bring one down and doesn't bring the issues a firearm would. Take out one toy with another toy.
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Exactly what I was thinking. Blind it and let the pilot crash it themselves.
 
Hagrid said:
I don't think they should be punished for shooting the drone, but for shooting a gun, unless it is out in the boonies.
Stupid people flying drones over peoples yards/property..... Too bad.
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Where it occurred it was outside of city limits otherwise the officer could have slapped the guy shooting with at least three things that I can think of.
 
CreatedTheMultiverse said:
Let's assume this particular drone is a DJI Phantom 4 priced around $1250 (see here)

You could just watch the general direction it returns to and use a little common sense to follow the drone that's flying within .85 miles of its operator in the country (open space areas) or only within .34 miles in a crowded suburb/city. Fun fact: My block and many blocks in my neighborhood are give or take a .35 mile perimeter as I jog my area and GPS my jogs all the time. So that means just watching which way the evil little drone goes back to its operator I could know what block in my area it's more than likely returning to and use that information to find the more than likely young male attempting to have some fun without regards to me being angry about him using the airspace above our neighborhood (that I don't even own) without my personal explicit permission because I am so important.






My car has more than a 400 mile range, I still don't drive 400 miles (or even drive 15-30 miles) every time I get in it.
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All good points. It also depends on the area and neighborhood. In my 100 year old neighborhood, you wouldn't be able to see very far with all the 2+ story homes and rather large trees. Luckily I have never even seen one drone flying around here. I bet people would be worried about it crashing in someone's yard and being munched by a neighbor's pitbull. Real helicopters are a lot more prevalent and annoying, but I don't think anyone here is stupid enough to shoot at them.
 
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