Facebook Under Fire For Censoring Famous Photo

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I'm not saying that Zuckerberg is going to blame this on algorithms but, if I was him, I would totally blame this on algorithms. :D

"Listen, Mark, this is serious. First you create rules that don't distinguish between child pornography and famous war photographs," Hansen wrote. "Then you practice these rules without allowing space for good judgement. Finally you even censor criticism against and a discussion about the decision, and you punish the person who dares to voice criticism."
 
Maybe if people perceived facebook not as some virtual space of freedom and frontier but as the front porch of a corporation that has only their own wallets on their mind, things like this would be easier to swallow.
 
Maybe people need to agree on what the fuck they want... do you want human beings to have a hand in deciding what is okay or not? Or do you want an a computer algorithm to do?
 
I love the tone of that open letter. Great call out by that Prime Minister.
 
I get where both sides are coming from, but as a rule I would err on the side of caution when it comes to child porn.
 
Factum said:
There is nothing sexual about that photo, period.

This is about the problem that poeple in the US cannot seperate nudity from sex...not all of the world has that problem.
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Not all the people in the US. And if anyone find that picture sexual, they are very fucked up.
 
I didn't even think about that until Lakados mentioned it. Geez.
 
lol, Zuckerturd taking the pedo safety excuse... only an asshat would do that with this iconic pic.
 
Hey if there are rules lets get them straight. If it's a "famous war photograph" then you can post whatever you want? Are there any other exceptions. I wanna know exactly where the line is. If it's a war photograph that's not famous? What if it's a war photograph showing actual child molestation? Then does it have to be more famous?

I know a pretty simple rule, I don't want to see an eight year old's vagina. At all. Period. End of story. Also, I don't think putting a censored bar across that area would change my view on napalm to be honest.
 
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What a crap story.

That's how FB rolls dude; the photo perfectly matches the criteria by which the algorithm filters, proving that FB's method of keeping FB child porn free works well, so find another free venue to host your story. All of the ridiculous hyperbole..."authoritarian", "limits free speech", "abusing your power"...please. Like Zuckerberg had anything to do with this directly; does this dude think Zuck sits around making judgements on photos and deleting accounts by hand all day? Algorithm man....look it up.

I hate FB with all of my being, but this dude is just a bleeding heart drama king.

Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right...
 
Factum said:
There is nothing sexual about that photo, period.
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Tell it to the judge. A naked kid is a naked kid.

FB is a multi-billion-dollar corporation. And corporations prefer to play it safe.
 
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That answer is probably unsatisfactory for Hansen, who said Facebook's failure to distinguish between child pornography and documentary photography "will simply promote stupidity".
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And that, in a nutshell, sums up facebook.
 
you guys have to account into 2 things

Scandinaviancountries (sweden is a little special) differ from USA and many European countries in 2 big ways

1: The are huge on free speech and democracy. There almost no censorship whatsoever. if you want a nazi radio go ahead its you right of freedom to express those opinions. you can flick the finger on TV drop the N word or put in a lady dressed only in lingerie on TV in the middle of day.
2: They don't have the same issues with nakedness. You can easily go topless on any regular beach. if you provide some distance and you can even go fully nude if you wanted to. just show respect to others.

and in case you don't get the Muhammad reference this pretty much sums it up :p
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Denmark the Artist - Scandinavia and the World
 
In case it wasn't painfully obvious by now, only Facebook owns the website, and just like any other website, they'll do whatever the fuck they want. People who think Facebook should perform differently really don't understand the internet.
 
SvenBent said:
you guys have to account into 2 things

Scandinaviancountries (sweden is a little special) differ from USA and many European countries in 2 big ways

1: The are huge on free speech and democracy. There almost no censorship whatsoever. if you want a nazi radio go ahead its you right of freedom to express those opinions. you can flick the finger on TV drop the N word or put in a lady dressed only in lingerie on TV in the middle of day.
2: They don't have the same issues with nakedness. You can easily go topless on any regular beach. if you provide some distance and you can even go fully nude if you wanted to. just show respect to others.
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That's great but they should then be posting things on their own websites. As the poster above said, it's FB and they have to play by FB rules. This is the reason I don't have a FB account - because I don't like their rules - but to join and insist on some kind of exemplary status is just childish.
 
Why are people using facebook in the first place. Its about as useless as something can be.
 
Shintai said:
Why are people using facebook in the first place. Its about as useless as something can be.
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It's actually quite useful to organize gatherings among friends. It's much easier to create a facebook event, than to call a dozen people one by one to negotiate a time, and then call 8 of them back again to confirm the time/date.
 
M76 said:
It's actually quite useful to organize gatherings among friends. It's much easier to create a facebook event, than to call a dozen people one by one to negotiate a time, and then call 8 of them back again to confirm the time/date.
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Sounds like a poor replacement for text's or email's.
 
Jim Kim said:
Sounds like a poor replacement for text's or email's.
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Sounds more like just trying to argue. It is okay if you don't understand something or have no value to it, doesn't mean others have to have the same opinion as you.
 
Darunion said:
Maybe if people perceived facebook not as some virtual space of freedom and frontier but as the front porch of a corporation that has only their own wallets on their mind, things like this would be easier to swallow.
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This. Same thing for all the people bitching about twitter and YouTube.
 
Prisoner849 said:
That's great but they should then be posting things on their own websites. As the poster above said, it's FB and they have to play by FB rules. This is the reason I don't have a FB account - because I don't like their rules - but to join and insist on some kind of exemplary status is just childish.
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I agree with you.
But when you disagree with someone even though they have the right to be "wrong" you communicate with the "wrong" person in hopes to improve things (from your own viewpoint).
So yes you abide by the rules but you also voice your opinion if you don't believe they are right. That's the fundamental thing behind liberty and democracy.


I don't know how it is here in the states as I haven't seen any protestors. But in Denmark if you go on a protesting march you generally call the police to inform them of your route.
They arrive and take assessments of how big this is going to be and a appropriate amount of Police offices will actual escort you through your march to protect you. They have to.

So I'm not saying FB is right or wrong. Just telling you why Scandinavians easily go into this is censor mode and open communications accordingly, And hope to change this for the better.
Here in the states it seams like we are way more content with just staying in the status quo. Everything is god enough as it is. ( That might be because I'm in Texas, haven't been in other states for prolonged time)
 
BloodyIron said:
In case it wasn't painfully obvious by now, only Facebook owns the website, and just like any other website, they'll do whatever the fuck they want. People who think Facebook should perform differently really don't understand the internet.
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Not really, if Facebook doesn't do as the customer wants then they lose their customers and their cash flow. See how that works?
 
SvenBent said:
I agree with you.
But when you disagree with someone even though they have the right to be "wrong" you communicate with the "wrong" person in hopes to improve things (from your own viewpoint).
So yes you abide by the rules but you also voice your opinion if you don't believe they are right. That's the fundamental thing behind liberty and democracy.


I don't know how it is here in the states as I haven't seen any protestors. But in Denmark if you go on a protesting march you generally call the police to inform them of your route.
They arrive and take assessments of how big this is going to be and a appropriate amount of Police offices will actual escort you through your march to protect you. They have to.

So I'm not saying FB is right or wrong. Just telling you why Scandinavians easily go into this is censor mode and open communications accordingly, And hope to change this for the better.
Here in the states it seams like we are way more content with just staying in the status quo. Everything is god enough as it is. ( That might be because I'm in Texas, haven't been in other states for prolonged time)
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Being left doesn't make you right.

It is of no significance whatsoever where you are from on the net; the only thing that matters is the law - the rules - of the site and that they are operating within the law of the country in which they are located. Insisting that everyone think and act in accordance is pretty much a textbook example of why the US is in it's current situation, perception-wise. FB was on solid ground in their rationale of why the photo was censored. If they changed their mind, it wasn't from 'wrong' to 'right', it was from 'correct' to 'an exception'.

The only thing to glean from your post is that certain Scandinavians are as naive as they are liberal. Reminds me of people who complain about the weather.
 
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