Facebook, Google and Twitter: House Judiciary Committee Hearings

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  1. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    See the House Judiciary Committee Hearing in which Facebook, Google, and Twitter are answering questions from live right now. Fun questions like "Do you think you are immune from libel?"

    Live stream.
     
  2. pcgeekesq

    pcgeekesq [H]ard|Gawd

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    Interesting question on libel. The DMCA provides Internet hosts with a safe harbor regarding copyright violation committed by users, but defamation is an entirely different kettle of fish, and communicating someone else's defamatory statement is actionable defamation in most states, IIRC. So Facebook might be liable for a defamatory posting they propagate, even if they have no knowledge of its defamatory nature.

    However, this is not legal advice, just my vague recollection from my time as a 1L, and you are not my client.
     
  3. kju1

    kju1 2[H]4U

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    Varies by state and if I recall you typically have to prove actual damages.
     
  4. pcgeekesq

    pcgeekesq [H]ard|Gawd

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    In some states, you don't have to prove damages if it's defamation per se.

    "Traditionally, there have been four general categories of untrue statements presumed to be harmful to one's reputation and therefore defamatory per se. Typically, if the statements do not fall into one of these categories the plaintiff is required to prove his damages. If it does fall into one of these categories, damages are usually presumed. The four general categories are:
    • Indications that a person was involved in criminal activity
    • Indications that a person had a "loathsome," contagious or infectious disease
    • Indications that a person was unchaste or engaged in sexual misconduct
    • Indications that a person was involved in behavior incompatible with the proper conduct of his business, trade or profession"
    https://injury.findlaw.com/torts-and-personal-injuries/what-is-defamation-per-se-.html

    Disclaimer: this is not legal advice, you are not my client, scorpions are not cute.
     
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  5. kju1

    kju1 2[H]4U

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    I guess this is legal advice then ;). J/k based on your other posts containing the "this is not legal advice" and this one lacking that disclaimer...
     
  6. Mugato

    Mugato Muh Feelz!

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    What in the actual F...did anyone see Mr. Jeffries "speaking"? What a ridicul...there are simply no words. What does any of the President meeting with Putin have to do with social media??
     
  7. pcgeekesq

    pcgeekesq [H]ard|Gawd

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    It's too generic to cause a problem, I think, but just in case: fixed. Thanks.

    Also not legal advice, BTW.
     
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    DarkStar02 2[H]4U

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    "Truth is not relative, an apple is an apple and an orange is an orange".

    In my youth I would have agreed with this but I don't think it's this cut and dry anymore. Almost every Facebook debate I've participated in involved someone defending what they believed to be the truth.
     
  9. kju1

    kju1 2[H]4U

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    Someone disagreeing on what an apple is does not make an apple anything different. The analogy is a poor one though. Rather say: Facts are immutable and not debatable. Everything else is theory.
     
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  10. Cr4ckm0nk3y

    Cr4ckm0nk3y Gawd

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    Did they literally pick all of the "special" Representatives for this committee?

    WTF does Jeffries questions have to do with anything on content filtering?
     
  11. DarkStar02

    DarkStar02 2[H]4U

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    I agree with your sentiment regarding facts as opposed to her quote stating that "truth is not relative". For example, is abortion murder? Are transgender people who are not biologically intersex mentally ill? Does thought require language? Do human beings have free will? etc.
     
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    DoubleTap [H]ard|Gawd

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    This and the fact that many "facts" are not actually facts, but summary judgements based on potentially unreliable information of potentially unknown origin, conveyed by potentially unknown persons of unknown motive.

    Add on the fact that people don't always agree on definitions or accounts and that value stacks vary wildly in our culture and we're all suffering from multiple biases (especially confirmation bias) and the (American) Left and the Right are essentially speaking different languages.

    And that's not even addressing the question of whether either side is an honest broker or can be trusted to play fair when it's far more advantageous to hype the bad, ignore the good and demagogue the living hell out of everything you can.
     
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  13. katanaD

    katanaD [H]ard|Gawd

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    well.. i think that might be the source of your issue

    LOL