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And not a single one of them about buying American Uranium or how to launder money....
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Facebook: 126 Million Americans May Have Seen Russia-Linked Political Posts
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LMFAO, minus sheppard smith. That guy is one of the worst offenders.
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If Russians running ads isn't a big deal (to the majority of the people who have responded so far), then why not just say they are Russians running ads? Why would they pretend to be US Citizens or US political groups?
Obviously there was something to gain by pretending to be US Citizens/groups
And further, on a purely intellectual level there's obviously a motive behind it. Russians pretended to be Americans and ran a smear campaign for the purpose of X. And regardless of whether or not the outcome was achieved, the fact that another country ran a subversive smear campaign for the purpose of changing your mind about what to do... isn't that a little grimy to you? That another country has enough of a stake in what happens with an election that they pretend to be your neighbor and bring you a pie and try to convince you to change your vote?
Like... no bitch, go away... I don't want your pie.
Outside of whether or not you think the right person is in the WH, wouldn't you, as a regular guy sitting there thinking "
some foreign guy pretended to be American and ran a half-true ad plastered all over my screen to try and get me to change my vote..." also then finish that thought with "gtfo fucker."
But then to your surprise you see said ad being liked and shared hundreds of times; wouldn't you then be like... someone stop this stupid shit before the stupid fuckers sharing and liking it actually buy into this crap? Yo stupid fucker!! It's a trap!!!!
People of all kinds should be able to make up their own minds and do what they want. But to pretend like advertising and propaganda don't do anything, when they comprise a multi-billion (trillion?) dollar industry, is naive. Of course they do something. Maybe they do less to people with a higher IQ, but surprise fact: the average IQ isn't 140.
At least if this shit-show process of lying and deceit is contained within the US, you know what the motives are. You can safely assume that every ad you see is biased for the purpose of getting X person elected to make money and satisfy lobbyists, etc. But letting other countries in... bitch you have no idea why they're walking around your neighborhood handing out pies for votes.
This just seems like a such a least-common-denominator thing to agree on... advertising and campaigning should be closed to other countries. You really disagree with that?
Obviously there was something to gain by pretending to be US Citizens/groups
And further, on a purely intellectual level there's obviously a motive behind it. Russians pretended to be Americans and ran a smear campaign for the purpose of X. And regardless of whether or not the outcome was achieved, the fact that another country ran a subversive smear campaign for the purpose of changing your mind about what to do... isn't that a little grimy to you? That another country has enough of a stake in what happens with an election that they pretend to be your neighbor and bring you a pie and try to convince you to change your vote?
Like... no bitch, go away... I don't want your pie.
Outside of whether or not you think the right person is in the WH, wouldn't you, as a regular guy sitting there thinking "
some foreign guy pretended to be American and ran a half-true ad plastered all over my screen to try and get me to change my vote..." also then finish that thought with "gtfo fucker." But then to your surprise you see said ad being liked and shared hundreds of times; wouldn't you then be like... someone stop this stupid shit before the stupid fuckers sharing and liking it actually buy into this crap? Yo stupid fucker!! It's a trap!!!!
People of all kinds should be able to make up their own minds and do what they want. But to pretend like advertising and propaganda don't do anything, when they comprise a multi-billion (trillion?) dollar industry, is naive. Of course they do something. Maybe they do less to people with a higher IQ, but surprise fact: the average IQ isn't 140.
At least if this shit-show process of lying and deceit is contained within the US, you know what the motives are. You can safely assume that every ad you see is biased for the purpose of getting X person elected to make money and satisfy lobbyists, etc. But letting other countries in... bitch you have no idea why they're walking around your neighborhood handing out pies for votes.
This just seems like a such a least-common-denominator thing to agree on... advertising and campaigning should be closed to other countries. You really disagree with that?
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I understand. You think a modern day Tokyo Rose is good for America. I don't.
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I never said anything about under-educated. I think they've been *poorly* educated. If one of the main purposes behind getting an education is to learn to think for yourself (traditionally referred to as a liberal education), then our current educational system is a dismal failure. It seems to tell people *what* to think, instead of *how* to think. This, IMO, is why many people are so easily led by unscrupulous types that know which emotional buttons to push in their target demographic. To me, what is *really* sad is how so many people just accept whatever they hear, so long as it falls in line in what they want to be true. Sad... and dangerous. But I don't see any way to fix it, which basically means endure and hope for the best. I can't say I'm very optimistic about what's coming down the line, but hopefully I'm wrong about that.
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Lol, what?
All those movements you mentioned are real things, and have been for a very long time, instigated by the people who live in those areas. If you think that those things were plots of Russia, then somebody sure got to you, but it wasn't the Russians. Maybe the NYT?
Texans secession movements have been a thing for ages: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_secession_movements
Most people in Scotland wish that they had seceded - they only didn't in 2014 because of last-minute promises from the UK government, which the Scots feel the government is not living up to. And following Brexit, Scotland is already organizing a new secession vote, and has majority support in the Scottish legislature for it: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/independence-supporters-cheer-as-scottish-lawmakers-pass-referendum/
Catalonia's bid for independence has been a thing for a long time, and they already held an independence referendum once, in 2014, which saw a result of 80.76% in favour of independence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalan_self-determination_referendum,_2014
Before that, Catalonia had unofficial independence referendums in 2009, and 2011. And in 2013, Catalonia's Parliament declared independence for Catalonia, with 85 votes in-favour, 41 against, and with 2 abstentions.
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The argument isnt that Russia made these things up. Its that Russia is attempting to divide and separate people using these (already existing) things. "Divide and conquer".
Russia did not make Hillary a terrible candidate that people hated, the UK confirm Brexit or Catalonia declare independence. They appear to just be hiding behind (both sides) and riling people up. And I, at least, do view that is a very powerful weapon they appear to be effectively wielding right now.
Look, this was an election where Hillary outspent Trump by 200 million dollars. Maybe these adds made a difference, I don't know, but it just seems highly unlikely. Nobody really cared until Trump won, and that tells you something. Sure, maybe 126 million people saw these adds, but everyone in America saw plenty of pro Hillary adds, anti Trump news, etc. So what's your point? I have yet to see a quantification of the effect.If Russians running ads isn't a big deal (to the majority of the people who have responded so far), then why not just say they are Russians running ads? Why would they pretend to be US Citizens or US political groups?
Obviously there was something to gain by pretending to be US Citizens/groups
And further, on a purely intellectual level there's obviously a motive behind it. Russians pretended to be Americans and ran a smear campaign for the purpose of X. And regardless of whether or not the outcome was achieved, the fact that another country ran a subversive smear campaign for the purpose of changing your mind about what to do... isn't that a little grimy to you? That another country has enough of a stake in what happens with an election that they pretend to be your neighbor and bring you a pie and try to convince you to change your vote?
Like... no bitch, go away... I don't want your pie.
Outside of whether or not you think the right person is in the WH, wouldn't you, as a regular guy sitting there thinking "
But then to your surprise you see said ad being liked and shared hundreds of times; wouldn't you then be like... someone stop this stupid shit before the stupid fuckers sharing and liking it actually buy into this crap? Yo stupid fucker!! It's a trap!!!!
People of all kinds should be able to make up their own minds and do what they want. But to pretend like advertising and propaganda don't do anything, when they comprise a multi-billion (trillion?) dollar industry, is naive. Of course they do something. Maybe they do less to people with a higher IQ, but surprise fact: the average IQ isn't 140.
At least if this shit-show process of lying and deceit is contained within the US, you know what the motives are. You can safely assume that every ad you see is biased for the purpose of getting X person elected to make money and satisfy lobbyists, etc. But letting other countries in... bitch you have no idea why they're walking around your neighborhood handing out pies for votes.
This just seems like a such a least-common-denominator thing to agree on... advertising and campaigning should be closed to other countries. You really disagree with that?
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/c...sonal-than-trumps-study-finds/article/2616975
According to this study, Clinton ran 400k adds vs Trump's 120k. Even if the Russians helped out, Clinton still swamped Trump and still lost.
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All ads are not created equal. Hillary spent a lot, but really, can anyone even remember her general ad platform? I cant remember a single ad (or even a theme of her ads) other than "Im not this guy". A single add of Hillary standing next to Bill Clinton was probably 100x more effective for certain people than 100 ads of Hillary doing almost anything else. Just speaks to how poor a candidate she was.
More to the point though, that doesnt have anything to do with Russia helping A or B. The effect of that help should not impact the study of that help.
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LOL you forgot "The suspect was heard saying 'God Is Great' in Arabic" - CNN
I don't have facebook and I don't have television. The only adds that I saw were on YouTube, and they were majority anti Trump. I even started using addblock around that time, because I was tired of seeing them. Up to that point, I never used addblock before in my life, so I distinctively remember this.
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If Russians running ads isn't a big deal (to the majority of the people who have responded so far), then why not just say they are Russians running ads? Why would they pretend to be US Citizens or US political groups?
Obviously there was something to gain by pretending to be US Citizens/groups
And further, on a purely intellectual level there's obviously a motive behind it. Russians pretended to be Americans and ran a smear campaign for the purpose of X. And regardless of whether or not the outcome was achieved, the fact that another country ran a subversive smear campaign for the purpose of changing your mind about what to do... isn't that a little grimy to you? That another country has enough of a stake in what happens with an election that they pretend to be your neighbor and bring you a pie and try to convince you to change your vote?
Like... no bitch, go away... I don't want your pie.
Outside of whether or not you think the right person is in the WH, wouldn't you, as a regular guy sitting there thinking "
But then to your surprise you see said ad being liked and shared hundreds of times; wouldn't you then be like... someone stop this stupid shit before the stupid fuckers sharing and liking it actually buy into this crap? Yo stupid fucker!! It's a trap!!!!
People of all kinds should be able to make up their own minds and do what they want. But to pretend like advertising and propaganda don't do anything, when they comprise a multi-billion (trillion?) dollar industry, is naive. Of course they do something. Maybe they do less to people with a higher IQ, but surprise fact: the average IQ isn't 140.
At least if this shit-show process of lying and deceit is contained within the US, you know what the motives are. You can safely assume that every ad you see is biased for the purpose of getting X person elected to make money and satisfy lobbyists, etc. But letting other countries in... bitch you have no idea why they're walking around your neighborhood handing out pies for votes.
This just seems like a such a least-common-denominator thing to agree on... advertising and campaigning should be closed to other countries. You really disagree with that?
Don't weep to much about Russia spending money on ads. Really.
So yes, they bought ads, No one is upset at Facebook or Twitter for making money over this are they? Answer: NOPE.
So Facebook says sold ads to Russians totaling nearly $300,000. Twitter says they sold ads to Russians for as much as $247,100. Granted a little over half a million is a large sum for a foreign country to spend on a candidate they would like to deal with. Frankly, they didn't "give" the money directly to the Trump campaign, THAT WOULD BE VERY ILLEGAL.
The Federal Election Campaign Act states in that any contribution by a foreign national to the campaign of an American candidate for any election, state or national, is illegal. Likewise, anyone who receives, solicits, or accepts these contributions also violates the statute. Foreign national, in this case, means anybody not a US citizen that doesn’t have a green card.
Note that part where it states "To the campaign"?
So Trump did not "receive funds" Facebook and Twitter DID, and trying to look like an innocent entity, both social media outlets have all come forward about it.
Now let's back up here for a second and try to remember that HILLARY DIRECTLY RECEIVED MONEY FROM SAUDI ARABIA.
Yes, money in her pocket. Not half a million either, try $25 MILLION. That's just from Saudi Arabia BTW.
So SHE broke the law and even with over 50 times the foreign money, because it went DIRECTLY to HER. The funny part is she still LOST.
I wonder how she feels, knowing GOD hates her and Trump is SMARTER?
She should be happy she's not in jail yet and her voters should feel ashamed.
This post has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand. The topic is Russia meddling in the election. There is no reason at all to start throwing crap at Hillary or Trump.
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dear facebook, more and more are dumping you...
There are a few examples buried in some parts of this comment. They've been increasing tensions in western media on topics such as Foreign affairs, Muslims in america, immigrants, gun rights, black lives matter, neo-nazi's, Antifa, rumors about Hillary Clinton and other american political figures, Brexit, vote tampering (telling people to use pens or markers to vote miscounting their ballot), secession of California and Texas, and tensions between Ukraine and EU to keep them vulnerable to Russian influence.
Here's an example of tweets from one of 63099 Russian operatives/bots ran by the agency. This single account posted 136K tweets in 4 years pretending to be British, and deleted everything overnight once it was discovered to be Russian. https://imgur.com/gallery/6flYH
They're using these clickbait social media posts on Twitter, Facebook (including pages and groups for each topic), subreddits, and dummy websites. It appears that they aren't just trying to mess with western media and geopolitics, but attempting to stir tensions to incite violence and radicalize Americans to create terrorism. If you've ever felt hate over a topic, chances are someone is attempting to influence your opinion whether it's the main stream media or a russian operative.
Here's an example of tweets from one of 63099 Russian operatives/bots ran by the agency. This single account posted 136K tweets in 4 years pretending to be British, and deleted everything overnight once it was discovered to be Russian. https://imgur.com/gallery/6flYH
They're using these clickbait social media posts on Twitter, Facebook (including pages and groups for each topic), subreddits, and dummy websites. It appears that they aren't just trying to mess with western media and geopolitics, but attempting to stir tensions to incite violence and radicalize Americans to create terrorism. If you've ever felt hate over a topic, chances are someone is attempting to influence your opinion whether it's the main stream media or a russian operative.
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Actuall it does.
Russia was not the ONLY one and they did it legally with the only entity to blame being social media.
Saudi Arabia outright meddled with the election ILLEGALLY. So did Soros.
So did "anyone" who took money with the meddling, such as Zuckerberg, Twitter, Google and the DNC alomg with one candidate.... personally.
Those people profited from direct monetary gain.
I don't see anyone yelling at Facebook for selling ads to Russia.
I do not see anyone complaining about Saudi Arabia meddling with the election illegally.
It was quiet on topic.
So in a topic about Russian meddling in the election, you think talking about who took money from who and whether it was legal or not is on topic to the discussion of whether Russia meddled.
Give me a break. You want to trash Hillary and Soros so much you are completely skipping over the part where Russia meddled in our election.
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It's all part of the same thing. You can't argue 'Group X did thing Y, and it matters because doing thing Y is bad', but then say it's irrelevant that thing Y is being done by many others, and the same group that is trying to accuse group X of doing that thing has entirely different attitudes towards other groups, and towards themselves, when they do that same thing Y.
That's hypocrisy, and duplicity, and to be that way means that the accusations towards group X are not based in integrity or honest judgment, but represent an unjust witch-hunt that is guided by ulterior motives.
I never said any of those things at all. You literally put all of those accusations in my mouth. What I said was that in a topic about Russian Meddling (which this is), glossing over the meddling by Russia by arguing other terrible things were done is NOT constructive nor on topic. And that is absolutely true. Lets start a topic about those other things and discuss it, thats fine. You should never let one thing override a discussion about the merrits and/or virtues of another. That just leads to a roundhouse circle finger pointing.
I have no issue saying Hillary is terrible, or arguing about Saudi Arabia payments, or arguing about Soros involvement in things. To neglect speaking about Russia by only saying "these other things happened though" is accomplishing what exactly?
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Fact is Putin did not want Trump to become President because he can't control him like he did with the Obama & the Clinton's. All this fake news about Putin interfering in our election to have Trump win is BS, in truth its the exact opposite. And it didn't work, we saw through all their lies.
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Don't forget the Uranium One deal that lined the Clinton's pockets, or the lies told to the American people about Benghazi, or obstruction of justice on countless occasions.
So again, instead of talking about a piece of information, you decide to blow it off because you want to talk about another? Even if all are bad?
You guys win, I’m worn out.
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It really is tiring. Part of me wants to ignore it & live in ignorance, but the other part wants to watch her be burned at the stake.
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There are far more practical answers for most of these.
- Crimea = Russia version of Guantanamo Bay (but more significant in size and history). Look up Black Sea Fleet & Crimea voting on it.
- Brexit = The 2nd most proud nation (behind America) not wanting to answer to anyone.
- Catalonia = strife that has been brewing for centuries. Spain as a country exists extremely different from our concept of a nation. Their past is very different from ours. I don't think any American could understand their concept of a country.
- Texan Independence = Russian??? You ever been here bro???? Refer to bullet point #2.
All of those things go hand in hand with the reason globalism is failing. "Russia" isn't the reason consolidation of power is failing, it's because people is local areas do not want to be controlled by those in far off places. Globalism will never work outside of us having something outside of Earth to unite against.
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Because that's adult....
Wait.. what? You have people bombing people and running vehicles through crowds but your goal, after the election is over and she's lost... is to see Hillary burned to death?
Based on what? Things you've see on YouTube or read on Fox News or its conglomerates?
But she's a BITCH!!!!! Right?!!?!?! and we BURN BITCHES!!!!Or something.
Clinton is rich.
Trump is rich.
They've both done shady things to get rich.
Pointing your fingers at one of them and saying "LOOK AT HOW CORRUPT she/he IS!!!!! BURN IT!!!! is just.... wow
You really don't have the foresight to realize that the news you're reading is just as biased as the news on the other side?
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I don't think that Russia is behind any of those.
Certainly not Crimea, which, in 1991, held a referendum on leaving Ukraine and becoming a republic of the USSR, and saw a 94.3% vote result in favour: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_sovereignty_referendum,_1991
Of course, the USSR then dissolved later that year, and so Crimea, reluctantly, accepted autonomous status within Ukraine.
However, ever since then, Crimea has made repeated attempts to fully leave Ukraine and rejoin Russia: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/01/31/world/separatist-winning-crimea-presidency.html
Crimea's independence was a natural consequence of the coup in Kiev, which overruled Ukraine's constitution, and thereby disintegrated its laws, authorities, and territories. The coup violated, and also ended the Budapest memorandum.
Crimea's own democratically-elected parliament acknowledged all of this, when it announced that Ukraine didn't exist anymore, and so it was impossible for Crimea to continue to be a part of it:
https://www.rt.com/news/crimea-parliament-independence-ukraine-086/
“We adopted the declaration of independence to make the upcoming referendum legitimate and transparent. Now we declare ourselves the Republic of Crimea, we don’t add ‘autonomous’. Crimea won’t be a part of Ukraine even if the ousted president, Viktor Yanukovich, returns to power. The country where we lived doesn’t exist anymore. We are going our own way and we’re trying to do it quickly.” -
- Vladimir Konstantinov, speaker of the Supreme Council of Crimea
Crimea's parliament then unanimously voted to rejoin Russia: http://www.businessinsider.com/crimean-parliament-votes-unanimously-to-become-part-of-russia-2014-3
8 months before the February 2014 coup in Kiev, Washington DC pollster Gallup surveyed Crimea to see what its people identified as, and found that Crimeans viewed themselves as Russia first, more than any other identifier. Ukrainian wasn't even the 2nd most common identifier of Crimeans in 2013:
Since Crimea's March 2014 referendum, many US and international pollsters have confirmed the results of their referendum:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_status_referendum,_2014#Polling
https://humanrightsinvestigations.o...-russia-believe-referendum-was-free-and-fair/
https://www.newcoldwar.org/another-survey-showing-crimeans-content-with-the-break-from-ukraine/
https://i.imgur.com/4piw5Ok.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/alcbI9S.jpg
The only thing Russia did in regards to Crimea, is be there at their naval base at the time of the coup in Kiev, and grant the region protection from unilateral attacks from West Ukraine, and then accept their formal legal application for accession to Russia - which was lawful for Russia to do.
Crimea's independence referendum was a natural necessity following the dissolution for former Ukraine. And the choice to rejoin Russia was exactly what Crimeans had been aiming for, already for decades.
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I have the foresight to detect who is a liar & a thief yes & it doesn't come from watching the news. Those of us who were alive during the Clinton presidency still remember.
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Russia hacked the DNC in order to help them?
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Russia didn't hack the DNC.
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Russia did hack the DNC.
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Well, then I suggest you take your story and proof to whom it may concern and cash in your winnings.
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The DoJ says they hacked the DNC. What have you got that says they didn't? Posts on /pol/ and t_d? Some Alex Jones audio?
So...the US, with at least 50 olympic gold medals in sticking its nose in places it does not belong, being the " beacon of democracy and truth" , gets a little taste of its own medicin. Oh the irony....
YOU elect your officials. YOU decide what fucktard you want running things, and YOU get on with your lives. When US does this, oh shit does the people get the shaft. I'm sorry, I like the US when it comes to a lot of things but please, don't leave your borders.
YOU elect your officials. YOU decide what fucktard you want running things, and YOU get on with your lives. When US does this, oh shit does the people get the shaft. I'm sorry, I like the US when it comes to a lot of things but please, don't leave your borders.
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Common sense. Ask yourself, why would Putin want a candidate that could strengthen the US globally & militarily? Putin doesn't want that. He wanted the Democrats to win so the US would continue to decline.
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Lol, so you've got nothing. Sad. People like you that just believe whatever you want without any regard for facts and evidence are huge part of what's wrong with this country.
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