[EXPIRED] RTX 3090 Ti $999.99

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wow, they are really trying to get rid of these cards
And they're actually saying the 'true price' of this card was actually $1499. I mean I don't think even the non-TI cards had their base price as low as the FE card. They're slipping, they're supposed to say this card is originally $1999 and you're saving $1000 or 50% off!
 

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Good deal, for sure.

I just ordered an MSI 3090 Ti for $1,080. But had AMZ coupons for ~200 so mine was $996 delivered.
 

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Kind of hope I'm wrong, but my guess:
$1899 for the 4090
$1299 for the 4080
$899 for the 4070

And will then drop by roughly $100 each after things have settled a few months later.
I'll say:
4090 - $1600
4080 16gb - $1200
4080 12gb -- $799
4070 - $599

If the rumors are true of 80% more performance from 3090 Ti to 4090 - then I guess it's "fair". lol
No way in hell it will be that much.
 

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If AMD chimes in appropriately (fingers crossed) I would like to see a drop to $999 for a flagship.
 

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And they're actually saying the 'true price' of this card was actually $1499. I mean I don't think even the non-TI cards had their base price as low as the FE card. They're slipping, they're supposed to say this card is originally $1999 and you're saving $1000 or 50% off!
Ya, weren't all the non FE cards $1800-2100
 

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I don't see a market for those prices honestly, there's always going to be the top 2-3% chasing the latest and greatest performance and world records, but the market is vastly different now than it was in 2020 when Ampere launched.

  • 1. Turing was widely viewed as a bust, both performance and price-wise with one of the lowest generational performance improvements we've ever seen (largely due to the addition of RT). Even Nvidia's marketing slides showed most users passed on that generation and they were ready for an upgrade and we saw that pent up demand manifest itself throughout Ampere's life cycle.
  • 2. The economy was in a very different place. Many of the macroeconomics that resulted in the inflation we see today were just starting to take effect, like supply chain issues, free Covid relief money, tariffs on Chinese imports etc. This all resulted in a warped reality of pricing, supply, and demand. People who shouldn't have been in the market for $1500-$2000 graphics cards were happily lining up at Micro Center, BestBuy or botting to resell. Cash flow and money is tighter. Labor market is tighter. Gas and food prices are higher. Mortgage interest rates and rent are higher. Inflation on everything else is a real thing and when money gets tight the first thing to fall out of budget are going to be luxury/entertainment items like expensive tech/GPUs.
  • 3. Crypto demand was at an all-time high. This should probably be #1, but it also fueled the false sense of demand and greatly reduced supply as miners were buying everything they could at whatever price they could get them at for short-term gains, meaning secondary/resellers were more than willing to buy what they could to then sell to the miners and desperate gamers who just wanted a card at any price.
  • 4. These GPUs that everyone was paying 2-3x MSRP for just 9-12 months ago have been rotting on the shelves for the last 3-6 months and prices continue to fall. Yes there will come a point when the supply of these cheap cards runs out, but they are setting the new pricing guideline for the next-generation of GPUs. The fact a 3090Ti that launched in March for $2000-$2500 is now selling for $1100-$1300 and AVAILABLE is a big indication of extremely low demand. What a 3090 translates into Lovelace performance does matter as well, say it translates into a 4070/4080 12GB level of performance, is anyone going to pay $1000 for that SKU based on last-gen perf to justfiy a $1600-2000 4090? Probably not. They'll just buy the cheaper and readily available Ampere option unless they need an upgrade from a 3090/3090Ti.
  • 5. There was an actual huge resale value which incentivized paying inflated upgrade prices, as you could recoup much of your cost especially if you bought at MSRP. That's not happening today, where your 3080 is going to compete against brand new models with warranties selling for $600-700 and 3090s are going for $1000 or less.
  • 6. Nvidia suffered some of their worst revenue/earnings over the last 2 quarters due to the collapse in Crypto and "gaming" GPU demand, and they are going to have to make up that shortfall somehow. They aren't moving the bulk of their inventory as fast as they would like (old Ampere inventory) and they are certainly doing it at a reduced revenue/margin clip. The last thing they can afford to do is launch Ada Lovelace at extremely high prices that have high margins/ASP but low revenue/volume. They're going to have to step it up in terms of pricing and make all those Ampere buyers feel like they're getting some great value in order to get them to upgrade. I'm thinking Maxwell to Pascal level gains in performance (this will remain to be seen if its raster or just RT/DLSS), with pricing that is lower than Ampere's inflated prices, but slightly higher than what we are seeing now with rock bottom clearance prices on Ampere.

We'll see, but I'm hoping I'm right. I know for sure I am not paying more than $1500 for a 4090 when I don't even feel like my 3090 is struggling at 3840x1600 in the games I've been playing. Without high-end buyers paying the initial asking price, the same thing will happen, those cards will sit on shelves and start dropping in price without all the "noise" driving up demand and prices.
 

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Great deal OP.
I got the Zotac 3090 'deal' for $999 a couple of months ago and thought that was a good deal...now the 3090 Ti is that price.
 
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Great deal OP.
I got the Zotac 3090 'deal' for $999 a couple of months ago and thought that was a good deal...now the 3090 Ti is that price.
That's why it's likely not a great deal at all. In fact it's going to suck even worse when it's likely in a month or two the 3090 ti will be ~$500
 

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I don't see a market for those prices honestly, there's always going to be the top 2-3% chasing the latest and greatest performance and world records, but the market is vastly different now than it was in 2020 when Ampere launched.
Honestly I think you're being very generous with that 2-3%, Nvidia dun f'd up with how much demand they thought would go after these upper tier cards, now we're seeing how much the price is being cut. Notice it's only these upper tiers that are being cut, not the lower ones. They're probably hoping to get some of the people who were considering overpaying for 3080s with these prices feeling "it's such a great deal". They probably will/did, but I wouldn't be surprised if these drop even further as we approach the "alleged" release date of the 4090
 

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IMO if the price of a 3090ti is about $1000 by the time Ada Lovelace cards are released the price of the 4090 will be about double or slightly more. I'm guessing $2199.
 

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That's why it's likely not a great deal at all. In fact it's going to suck even worse when it's likely in a month or two the 3090 ti will be ~$500

If a 3090 Ti is $500 in two months, I'll personally give you a mansion off an island in Florida. And an Aston Martin to go with it.

Regardless of the 4090's timespy scores, a 3090 Ti is not suddenly a slow card. tl;dr: the price will not drop that low retail, except maybe in the used market, for at least another two years. And the 4000 series cards that will be the same speed as a 3090 Ti will have less RAM (and cost more than $499).
 

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Tempting but I'm perfectly happy with my old GTX1080Ti. Hopefully Nvidia recognizes how slow their cards are selling even with these lowered prices that it will lower the RTX4000 series MSRP dramatically enough to make it interesting.
 
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If a 3090 Ti is $500 in two months, I'll personally give you a mansion off an island in Florida. And an Aston Martin to go with it.

Regardless of the 4090's timespy scores, a 3090 Ti is not suddenly a slow card. tl;dr: the price will not drop that low retail, except maybe in the used market, for at least another two years. And the 4000 series cards that will be the same speed as a 3090 Ti will have less RAM (and cost more than $499).
I'm only talking about the used market, because the scenario is you're buying this card today.
 

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The last 20 series 2080ti FE released at $999. The AIB's were more. You expect the next gen top-end should be the same price?
This is where following number/letter designation doesn't translate from one generation to the next. The 2080ti was not an upgraded 2080, it was a downgraded Titan card, so it was closer to a "2090" for a system that didn't use that numbering system. Same chipset as the Titan, same transistor count, die size, etc. but half the memory IIRC. Either way all of that was more than the 2080, 2080-Super cards which were both priced at $699. And FYI FE versions were actually priced higher (at least than the AIB base models some "ROG edition" obviously pumped the cards "value" up), the 30 series was the first one where the FE were actually cheaper than AIB base prices at launch.
 

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Honestly I think you're being very generous with that 2-3%, Nvidia dun f'd up with how much demand they thought would go after these upper tier cards, now we're seeing how much the price is being cut. Notice it's only these upper tiers that are being cut, not the lower ones. They're probably hoping to get some of the people who were considering overpaying for 3080s with these prices feeling "it's such a great deal". They probably will/did, but I wouldn't be surprised if these drop even further as we approach the "alleged" release date of the 4090
Yeah you're probably right, I'm still suffering from the PTSD of seeing literally hundreds of people who would've never paid over $500, much less $700 or even $1000 in the past for a GPU physically lined up to buy them at BestBuy and MicroCenter. And this happened for over a year! In the past, before Ampere you were relatively safe in that $700+ range to get whatever card you liked if you were in that market and price bracket. Even when Pascal was selling out with the 1070 and 1080 for months at $400-600, you could still get a $1200 Titan Xp1 whenever you wanted.

Nvidia clearly saw where demand/supply met and really stretched and took advantage of price elasticity of demand at the top end, which again, was driven by that crypto/stimulus-driven warped reality field through 2020 and 2021. Everything below 3080FE was selling out and still selling out without price cuts so that's more normal pricing/demand, but like you said, that high-end was clearly inflated especially with all of the variants and incremental increases Nvidia did with 3080/3090 variants to push prices higher. I don't think they're going to be able to do the same this time around if they want to move the volume of cards to keep their shareholders happy.

4090 is coming though, Nvidia already set the date and announced that GeForce Beyond teaser for 9/20, it'll probably be a quick mention of 4090 at the end of GTC similar to the 3090 oven reveal.
 

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The last 20 series 2080ti FE released at $999. The AIB's were more. You expect the next gen top-end should be the same price?

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-2080-ti.c3305

Notice the 2080ti is still the 11th fastest 4 years later. Beats the current 3060ti and not far behind the 3070/ti.
The actual Nvidia FE was $1200, sold only at BestBuy and maybe PNY direct to OEMs/System Integrators and had the -A chipset which was supposedly better binned.

The reference 2080Ti were $1000 but sold as "Black" or generic models that were vaporware a few weeks after launch and didn't have the -A chipset not that it made much difference until custom AIB cards since the FE models were so cooling and power limited. AIB partners then jacked up the price of custom cards another 10-15% so cards were in the $1300-1500 range.
 
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I'll say:
4090 - $1600
4080 16gb - $1200
4080 12gb -- $799
4070 - $599


No way in hell it will be that much.

so out of video cards.... so my ask..

is it worth buying a 4070 on that low end or even the 4080 versus a 3080 or 3080ti?
 

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so out of video cards.... so my ask..

is it worth buying a 4070 on that low end or even the 4080 versus a 3080 or 3080ti?
If the rumors pan out to be true the RTX 4000 series will double the rasterization performance of the RTX 3000 series so it's probably worth holding out until late 2022/early 2023 for the new cards.
 

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Gotta wait longer...I'm telling myself.
I think the real prices will settle around mid-late October.

That's when stock of everything will begin to run thin due to Nvidia trickling out the cards of both generations.
I believe after November, prices going back up slightly.
 

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How often does nvidia or amd really increase performance by as much as leaked every generation?

My guess is this is marketing hype, especially after the crypto bubble just popped. There's maybe a game or two close to +50% with enhancements, but overall performance is probably closer to 20% is my WAG. Unless NV is just dumping tons of extra transistors at the new design and playing with naming schemes at the same time. Or maybe they had a breakthrough, I haven't followed closely yet aside from hardware/power leaks. Which if the power leaks are remotely accurate it means either transistor count boosts and/or heavier clocking to cause said power hikes.
 

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The 3090 Ti is very nice. It runs quite a bit quieter and cooler than my 3090. What isn't nice is the power connectors coming off the end.
 
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If the rumors pan out to be true the RTX 4000 series will double the rasterization performance of the RTX 3000 series so it's probably worth holding out until late 2022/early 2023 for the new cards.
i gotta get mobo/cpu.
was thinkin i9-12900k or amd 58003dx or wait for new...so gpu is farther away so i can wait.
 

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This is where following number/letter designation doesn't translate from one generation to the next. The 2080ti was not an upgraded 2080, it was a downgraded Titan card, so it was closer to a "2090" for a system that didn't use that numbering system. Same chipset as the Titan, same transistor count, die size, etc. but half the memory IIRC. Either way all of that was more than the 2080, 2080-Super cards which were both priced at $699. And FYI FE versions were actually priced higher (at least than the AIB base models some "ROG edition" obviously pumped the cards "value" up), the 30 series was the first one where the FE were actually cheaper than AIB base prices at launch.
Turing was hot garbage. Regardless of which chip it came from, the 2080Ti was the ONLY Turing card that was an upgrade from a 1080Ti. I picked up a 1080Ti new right before the 2017 mining boom for $550, and instead of having a viable upgrade the next generation, Nvidia expected me to pay more than twice as much for ~35% more performance. That's not how generational upgrades work. And no, RT on Turing was not even close to worthwhile.
 
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