Expected price of MSI Meg X570?

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  1. tangoseal

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    I do not know...Probaly not good they leaked and mentioned X570 wouldn't come cheap...but they already have the Bioses ready for the drop in for X470...
     
  3. mda

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    Even the Asus X570s are rumored to be very expensive. No less from asus.
     
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    Im going to go out on a leg and assume a $200 dollar 6 core Ryzen 3000 will fit nicely in a $979.99 MSI Meg

    I wouldnt put it past them to pull some crap like this.
     
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    ^ it won't be 200$ yet and yeah we like that budget....suggested will be 300-400$ for some time...
     
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    i think mid range is suppose to be in the 200-300 dollar range, high end 300-500, something along those lines.. but yeah wouldn't doubt the msi meg potentially going over 500 given it's using a triple pcie4 m.2 configuration. i'd say 1000 is a stretch especially if the limited edition monoblock board from asrock is priced at 1000, 500-600 sounds more likely though for the meg.

    another board worth looking at if you're thinking of going with the 12 or 16 core and overclocking it is the gigabyte aorus xtreme which uses a 14+2 phase vrm.
     
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    The aorus extreme isbhat Ibhad for my Threadripper and it's a hell of a good board.
     
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    I think I read that the X570 is going to cost about what you'll find Z390 boards for according to MSI. I wouldn't be surprised if there are decent options in the $200 range. I just wouldn't expect to see great budget boards in the sub-$150 category.

    Obviously the uber-high end like the Godlike, ROG Formula, Aorus xtreme are going to be all over the place. Probably in the $500 range. I wouldn't think they would be more money than the comparable X399 counterpart though.
     
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    I wonder if they will be able able to hit Z390 pricing levels for similar features. The increase in lanes via the chipset plus PCIe 4.0 considerations (and cooling issues) probably makes this more expensive than Z390, I would think.
     
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    oh i guess the meg price was given out already, it's going to cost 770 dollars..
     
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    skip to 130. "copy at time" wasn't working.
     
  12. tangoseal

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    700 fucking dollars and it's not even hedt? What's x599 gonna cost? 4799.99

    I.might just stick with x470. I have a 2080ti so gen 4 is useless to me
     
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    Nope, its for those delicious 5GB/s NVMEs
     
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    I was reading on WCCFTECH that the Gigabyte Aorus Master, the one right below extreme, has the same 14 phase power etc... and is like a $3xx.00 board. So I am not sure what makes the Extreme worth another $400.00. Something about this pricing model doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
     
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    big thing is checking the m.2 slots, supposedly some of the lower end boards will have the 1 pcie 4.0 from the cpu then the other two m.2 slots will be pcie 3.0. recommend checking GN's latest news recap video, they go into more detail about the configuration options with the x570 chipset so that may effect where some are priced differently than others. where as the MEG will have triple pcie 4.0 m.2 slots. for MSI if it doesn't have the lightning branding on it m.2 heatsink then it's not pcie 4.0 or so they were telling the media people at computex.

    as far as being specific to the gigabyte boards, the extreme comes with 10GbE, the master comes with 2.5GbE, the extreme's chipset is passively cooled, the master isn't. the extreme's audio is better than the masters and the list goes on. the two big things that both do have though is the same VRM's and triple gen 4 m.2 slots. so it just depends on what is more important to you and if those things are worth the price difference.
     
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    The Master also has all 4.0 slots for nvme. Right on Gigabytes website.

    This is the board I will get if it is indeed in the 350ish range. Its a no brainer. I already have 10GB via Intel XFSR cards so that 2.5g port is already pointless. The 10G port on the extreme is just not needed, nor is all the board armor crap they put all over it.

    My usage scenario though. Not saying this is everyones.

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    ^ Interested over the Asus for the featureset and likely lower price but concerned over how wonky Gigabyte's firmware has been over the years.

    Asus on the other hand has pretty much nailed its BIOS/UEFI implementation.

    Since I live outside the USA, the horror stories about Asus RMA don't really apply (For me, they are quite bad for every manufacturer hahaha)

    MSI has also recently been pushing their products locally, also worth considering.
     
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    Gigabyte is not wonky. Have you not used one of their boards in years or something and are still left with a bad impression? Sure Asus has a good Bios setup but that ROG tax is retarded af.
     
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    Last was a H270 built for a friend. The UEFI randomly forgets odd settings (it turned off the iGPU on his 7700). The CMOS battery is still working though, so I suspect the UEFI resets itself to defaults every now and then. No OC and his other hardware is pretty standard. His build has a discrete GPU and the board's default is to turn off the iGPU when there's another GPU in the system. He needs the iGPU for his other external monitors.

    It's reached a point where he generally knows where to look in his UEFI to re-enable the external monitors attached to the board whenever it happens, and he's not normally used to that. Other than that, I guess there are no other problems with that build.
     
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    Oh yeah that was an older build and I think since the 200 series intel chipsets Gigabyte has had a lot more growth and attention to detail. They are directly competing now for top spot between Asus and MSI easily.
     
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    Kaby isn't that old yet. ;D

    In any case, a sibling recently picked up an X470 Ultra Gaming board and I have a 2600X coming in from an [H] Forumer. Let's see how that goes as I will likely be the one building it... I'll probably have that in a week or two.

    Edit: I do agree that the ROG tax is quite steep.
     
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    https://www.amazon.de/MSI-MEG-X570-Godlike-DDR4/dp/B07ST23K9B/ 723 euros including 20% tax. Dear motherboard manufacturers, you are completely out of touch. Even the cheap MSI board which is not even capable of x8/x8 mode is over 230 euros. Suddenly even the X399 boards, including MEG Creation look like a steal.
     
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    That's an 800us price.

    We dont pay vat though so I guess in dollara that's more like 650 usd.

    Take the $100 10gig card out and another $74 for the nvme card and you have realistically $475 motherboard without accessories.

     
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    I wonder if this is a combination of high chipset price, PCIe 4.0engineering “tax” and an expectation that demand will exceed supply in which case the prices will work to control demand .
    Once you exceed a number users just expect a feature pack board and in a crowded market (50+ motherboard designs?) manufacturers are adding in doo-dads to distinguish each product from the other. That just leads to some crazy sounding combinations here.
    I just hope this is a smooth launch for AMD or all that engineering effort from board partners and inventory could lead to a massive debacle if some critical flaw is discovered late in the fame or post launch.
     
  26. sirmonkey1985

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    buildzoid did a video going into detail about the MSI MEG Godlike x570 if you can handle his rambling.

     
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    Which is probably about as useful for gamers as PCIe 4.0 is. We've seen massive improvements in SATA transfer rates since transitioning from the mechanical hard drive to the SATA based SSD and finally, the NVMe SSD. Even in RAID, going direct to the CPU, using cards that have more than 4x bandwidth, etc. we still haven't seen any real improvement in level load times which is all that SSD's COULD do for gaming. I'm as much of a storage whore as the next person, and I'm glad to see it, but if gaming is what your primarily concerned with X570 is likely going to be a big disappointment. If it holds ANY advantages over X470, its going to be in overclocking the Ryzen 3000 series and pushing memory clocks higher than we've ever seen on that platform. However, the latter may or may not truly end up being an advantage for gaming. We've had more bandwidth than we could need on HEDT since X58 and its meant nothing so far. Lower latency seems to show the only real improvement once your past about 3000MHz or so. As a result, I'm not sure X570 will do anything for us there either. Those higher clocked parts are going to have worse latency so that's another toss up.

    That leaves us overclocking. For 8c/16t Ryzens, I think the X470 boards will probably do fine. They might even hold their own on the 12 core parts. It's the 16c/32t Ryzen 9 3950X that I think may require X570 to get the most out of it. I don't know for sure, but this is how things look to me right now. I'll no more once I actually get X570 & Ryzen 3000 on the bench. Of course, the 3950X won't be available until later, so we'll probably be testing 8c/16t or 12c/24t parts at first.
     
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    ^ Do you think the X570/B550 boards can help with the motherboard POST times?

    I've been spoiled by Intel's speedy POST times and the time it takes for the Crosshair 7 to POST irritates me (it's minor, I know).

    If I'll end up paying 20$ for it (especially with an eventual B550 board), I'll do it since I'm keeping this build until it dies. I don't mind paying extra since I'll find uses for my old hardware since I don't really sell them off.
     
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    I have a 486dx4 100 that still runs after 25 years. You might be waiting a literal 150 years before your CPU stops working. Or more!