Evolution of prices of Graphic card

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What happened to the Graphic card prices ?

6 years ago a GTX970 cost about 300€ and in its time the a 570 that costed about the same (may be 10% less)

But now when I look at to days price on the "70" class 1070/ 2070/ 3070 we are looking at anything between 450 to 620€ for the current generation.

I'm really surprised that price for entry lvl first tier or top 2nd tier card (depending what you think of the 70 line) , have doubled. is it me of Gaming on PC never has been so expensive?
 

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due to lack of competition from AMD, nvidia raised the prices by a full tier. Idiot fanboys bought the cards anyways, so nvidia kept the pricing. When AMD re-emerged with good cards (5700xt, 6800), they followed nvidias new lead and kept the prices high. Prices will remain high until buyers stop paying for overpriced crap
 

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Also need to factor in the profits they saw during the mining boom that they are unwilling to let go and will artificially inflate demand in order to get closer to what they had at that time. AMD is going to follow the lead as they want our money also, the point said earlier is true a reset wont happen until people just pass on the need to upgrade until prices drop back. Turing was a test to see what we would take and they saw people still were willing to paymore on average top to bottom. Even the stripped down cards missing the features they blamed the price increase on rose in price.
 
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Also need to factor in the profits they saw during the mining boom that they are unwilling to let go and will artificially inflate demand in order to get closer to what they had at that time. AMD is going to follow the lead as they want our money also, the point said earlier is true a reset wont happen until people just pass on the need to upgrade until prices drop back. Turing was a test to see what we would take and they saw people still were willing to paymore on average top to bottom. Even the stripped down cars missing the features they blamed the price increase on rose in price.
This. The companies saw what gamers and miners were willing to still pay during the mining boom and adjusted their prices accordingly for future products.

The recent, successful scalping of Ampere cards and Zen 3 CPUs will only further encourage this type of pricing.
 

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Considering how reliable cpus/gpus are that haven't been OC/mined/abused, I may just permanently buy all my upgrades second hand here on the [H] FS forum. Half the cost, and coming from at least semi-trusted posters.
 

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This. The companies saw what gamers and miners were willing to still pay during the mining boom and adjusted their prices accordingly for future products.

The recent, successful scalping of Ampere cards and Zen 3 CPUs will only further encourage this type of pricing.
I agree, god help us for the next series. I say get one of these and just pass on upgrading for 3 years minimum because there is gonna be hell to pay on the next gen of cards following these.
 

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To be honest I'm not convinced that they are that many gamer able to shelf 500€ / $600 just for a grpx card . Just looking at the steam stats .
If Nvidia manage to sale lots of them to "others" good for them... but do they really ?

I might end up going back to console gaming with current price :(
 

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The price of hobbies is pretty high. Spent the other day discussing with old school friends on the current prices of our old magic the gathering cards. Apparently we are sitting on a gold mine of old stuff! PC hobby and car hobby eat up my spare funds and tbh, the pc hobby sees me spend as much as my car hobby. I have coworkers who spend what I spend on cars on cards so it doesn't surprise me much that we're seeing crazy pricing in tech.
 

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When consoles come out, they tend to stack up pretty well against PCs at the time. However, you can update your PC whenever you want. After a while, consoles start to be pretty long in the tooth.
 

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Considering how reliable cpus/gpus are that haven't been OC/mined/abused, I may just permanently buy all my upgrades second hand here on the [H] FS forum. Half the cost, and coming from at least semi-trusted posters.
Hell, all of it. I build my main gaming system and workstation with new parts. All the others (server, HTPC, wifes gaming, VR) are second-hand kit, and I've never yet had a problem with the gear lasting through the rest of a sane lifespan. And lets be honest, a cheap 2080TI is still a stupid-fast card for almost everything, if you're not gaming at 4k.
 

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the 2080ti is a 1300€ about $1500 card. .. "Cheap" second hand mmm
a new 3070 can be bought for 700€ new
It this cheap for gaming considering the price graphic card used to me in this segment. im skeptical :)
 

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is it me of Gaming on PC never has been so expensive?
The 4x86 sx 20 mhz with 4 mb of ram I used to play PC in the earlys 90s was if I remember correctly around $3300, with the monitor/keyboard/mouse kit, that would be $5,200 Canadian in today dollar a bit over $4,000 USD, I would imagine that in many windows of PC gaming it was not cheaper at the middle or at the top, $1000 CPU in today dollar was quite common in history.

I think many things possibly happened, for one look how long line are for them and how much more people are ready to pay for it, it would be stupid to sell them for less, why are people so much more willing to spend a lot on a GPU them before:

1) Some buyer are making money from them from mining (or streaming/something else to justify price tags), unlike the past where they were mostly a toy, you need to compete with those buyers ready to pay a lot
2) Second hand market, many buyers do not look at a $1000 and see a $1000 price tag, they see themselve selling it in 2-3 year's for $300-$400-$500 when not more, in the past video card value would drop like a rock fast, now a 1080TI is still selling to an high price, a bit like for cars that sustain higher pricing for a new model.
3) Gamers definitely got either older or with parents ready to pay fortunes, people at the top 10% of society got really richer in the 2000s.
4) NVidia combining in one model the fancy feature with pure gaming to improve ROI but increase cost, something that AMD competition made an easy choice to do (and could force them now to revert back on that choice).
5) The mining era that made the increase and mental shift on how much cost video card hold.

That said gaming around a 1080p type of resolution exist since the mid/late 90s (it was 1600x1200 back them, close enough) and an argument can be made than to play at 1080p with an acceptable FPS (25-30 FPS in the 90s, near 60 fps now) it is not particularly expensive now and if we say that an used 5700 with a Ryzen 3300x and a regular 32 gig of ram, with a regular SSD is an rock solid way to do it, it is even on the cheaper side maybe. It is wanting to do much more than we always did in the past that cost much more.
 
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according to card maker are not making money selling card, only nvidia is
 

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according to card maker are not making money selling card, only nvidia is
Make sense, Asus is barely releasing cards in comparison to other aib's even factoring the shortage its pretty pathetic. They normally flood the market with their strix taxed skus and they have issues keeping them on the shelf, this release it barely seems like they are even making the cards.
 

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according to card maker are not making money selling card, only nvidia is
I really enjoyed the video, as usual with Gamers Nexus. However - and betraying my complete lack of knowledge about business - I do love the insanity that going from a $9 cooler to a $5 one means manufacturers would go bankrupt. Like, what? And if the margins are so razor thin - which begs the question, why does any company even bother making these cards for such little gain - then Nvidia is certainly to blame here, and should take a small hit in revenue for the health of the market that created them in the first place.
 

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One can game easily on an affordable system. 1060, R5 3600X, 16G of RAM, mid-sized SSD for boot (SATA), cheap b550 board... done. Less than 1k, solid gaming box for 1080P. Don't NEED all the features turned up. But this is [H] - and gaming at the top end DOES get more expensive - to LukeTbk point, it used to be that ANY computer cost 3k+ - now cheap ones can do basic games, and mid-priced (still sub-1k) can play with features on... but if you want everything, at 4k120... it still costs. It's just that we only look to that level when we think about prices, and that shit gets expensive.
 

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Don't forget Inflation. I'm talking real inflation, not the supposed 2.5% inflation the government tells us.
Real inflation is about 5x higher.
Check out the burrito index.

Also, the Fed. Reserve has added almost 60% to its balance sheet since Jan, 2016, going from about $4.5 trillion usd in Jan 2016 to $7.2 trillion usd today.
This is done on a regular basis via quantitative easing and other tools to basically create more dollars out of thin air.

So, yeah, a gpu going from $300 to $500 is right in line with real inflation (300*1.6 = 480).
Add a little bit for profits and you get $550-600.

I guess that debt of european nations is about the same, with massive inflation & creation of euros out of thin air.
 

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Don't forget Inflation. I'm talking real inflation, not the supposed 2.5% inflation the government tells us.
Real inflation is about 5x higher.
Check out the burrito index.

A sausage, Eggs & Cheese Burrito at Wendys is $2.89

Look at the price of a Camry over time using government inflation:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Camryinflation-550x367.jpg

And without adjusting that you are buying much more of a car when buying a 2010 Camry than a 1990 (over time the Corolla became the old Camry, in size/performance and so on)
 

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A sausage, Eggs & Cheese Burrito at Wendys is $2.89

Look at the price of a Camry over time using government inflation:
https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Camryinflation-550x367.jpg

And without adjusting that you are buying much more of a car when buying a 2010 Camry than a 1990 (over time the Corolla became the old Camry, in size/performance and so on)

Reading comprehension. The burrito index is based on FOOD TRUCK prices.
Wendys != Food truck.

Plus, Wendy's didn't even used to do breakfast. That's a recent change (I think it was last year in my area)
 

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Reading comprehension. The burrito index is based on FOOD TRUCK prices.
The website does not seem to work (https://web.archive.org/web/2020011...twominds.com/blogaug16/burrito-index8-16.html) I cannot find any detail making the statement a bit empty and potentially fully anecdotic, I did read that and challenged the statement, I suspect it is a fancy food truck in a city that got specially expensive, I challenged the idea the article made with they called a $7,50 USD burrito a regular burrito, it sound on the fancy side, regular burrito are still quite cheap (if we define regular by the most sold ones).

We could do the same exercise changing the burrito for a 1080p 60hz 42 inch LCD tv and say that we had a massive deflation, that would be ridiculous to say, there is thing that goes down, things that goes up, real inflation is an average of those and fancy high priced hipster burritos food truck do not seem like a particularly good one.

https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/gasoline-prices-adjusted-for-inflation/

If we take the same time frame of that Burrito index (2001 to 2018) and use gallon of gasoline:

In constant 2017 dollar according to goverment inflation models:
2001: 2.615
2017: 2.469

I think the argument that gasoline/energy is a much more important factor to actual inflation (and often removed because of the fast fluctuation).

And other very important metric, housing:
https://fee.org/media/15200/housing2.png?width=600&height=410.6024096385542

The price of a square foot of new house adjusted by inflation almost didn't move since 1973

Either the inflation model isn't that bad or housing got twice as cheap versus the usual stuff according to the burrito claim.

Of when looking at food, ton of wheat adjusted by inflation:
https://www.darrinqualman.com/wheat-price/

You can look at the cost of a cow/ton of iron overtime and other item that are quite constant.
 
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