EVGA will no longer do business with NVIDIA

[kirbyrj]

so you'd go with a worse performing GPU just because of the AIB partner???

I don't think they care as long as they move product and make money and "worse performing" has gotten a lot more relative in the last generation.

 

[toast0]

Gonna need a new name if they don't make video graphic arrays anymore.

 

[staknhalo]

People have talked about Jensen wanting Nvidia to be more like Apple in terms of 'vertical integration' for a couple of years now

 

[Krenum]

Good for EVGA.

Nvidia is a scumbag company.

 

[ZodaEX]

how bad did the EVGA and New World situation end up being anyhow?

New World was never at fault. It was all EVGA incompetence.

 

[kirbyrj]

Gonna need a new name if they don't make video graphic arrays anymore.

EPSU ?..probably the only other thing I buy from them. Never liked their motherboards. Keyboard/mice/cases don't stand out. Don't need a $150 "Nu" audio...

 

[NightReaver]

so you'd go with a worse performing GPU just because of the AIB partner???

A lot of people pay extra just to get EVGA. Could easily see quite a few people following them to AMD if they made that decision.

 

[gvx64]

Tbh, it is funny watching EVGA only buyers freak out over actually having to consider another brand.

Brand loyalty is a helluva drug.

I know what you're saying and there certainly is an aspect of blind loyalty. That said, there is also an aspect of "their products always worked well for me and I don't want to mess it up." I have had so many components/computers over the years crap out on me prematurely or just give me huge headaches due to bad hardware, drivers or design decisions and I always make a point to avoid the brand in the future if I have the easy option to do so. I'm sure that it's not a perfect approach and sometimes even a quality company makes a lemon. Also, in the case of eVGA, how much of the credit goes to eVGA vs. how much goes to NVidia? I don't know. All I know is that 15 years ago when I used to buy ATI Radeon's I had such a headache with driver issues, when I switched to eVGA my issues with video cards just evaporated and I have had perfectly performing video cards for years now. My plan would have been hang on to eVGA for as long as possible and I am disappointed that I can't.

 

[Brackle]

Don't forget guys. Nvidia did say when the FE cards came out, that it was only a limited run. What they failed to say that it was a limited test run to see how they would sell.

Today the FE cards are always the cheapest cards you can buy. The comments about Nvidia being like Apple are spot on.

 

[kirbyrj]

A lot of people pay extra just to get EVGA. Could easily see quite a few people following them to AMD if they made that decision.

Correction: Pay extra to get EVGA's warranty. Their warranty has gotten a lot more expensive and restrictive, and the cards themselves were middle of the pack for Ampere. The fact that its service was US based also didn't hurt.

 

[Meeho]

LoL. No. Intel is the only company standing in the way of itself. Should be big news officially next week.

MLID was right?

 

[WorldExclusive]

EVGA gpu retail value should took a deep dive. Retailers will need to deeply discount those things for people to take the warranty risk and no StepUp.

 

[Meeho]

 

[kirbyrj]

EVGA gpu retail value should took a deep dive. Retailers will need to deeply discount those things for people to take the warranty risk and no StepUp.

All cards are in a deep dive right now and the 4000 series is right around the corner (9/20 info?)

 

[WorldExclusive]

All cards are in a deep dive right now and the 4000 series is right around the corner (9/20 info?)

Yes, but I'm talking on the retail end, like $500 3080s at retail.
Going into a new gen without StepUp and long term warranty support, their cards have no consumer value.

 

[staknhalo]

Yes, but I'm talking on the retail end, like $500 3080s at retail.
Going into a new gen without StepUp and long term warranty support, their cards have no consumer value.

gen pop doesn't know or care (manner of speaking on care), they buy more gpus than forum nerds

 

[Gigantopithecus]

so you'd go with a worse performing GPU just because of the AIB partner???

Define "worse."

I have a lab with 16 3090s and a lab with 4 6900XTs. For what I do with them, neither is better or worse. Both can do 99% of what I ask them to do. The 3090s can run super high-res 3D CTs smoother in VR, which is good. That lab also blows the circuit breaker with transient microspikes, which is bad.

Point being, what is better and what is worse is not black and white.

 

[Lakados]

At my current job we use Nvidia GPUs for things other than gaming. I can say first hand that dealing with Nvidia sucks. They don't giveAF and it shows.

But their GRID support has always been awesome for me.

 

[polonyc2]

Define "worse."

I have a lab with 16 3090s and a lab with 4 6900XTs. For what I do with them, neither is better or worse. Both can do 99% of what I ask them to do. The 3090s can run super high-res 3D CTs smoother in VR, which is good. That lab also blows the circuit breaker with transient microspikes, which is bad.

Point being, what is better and what is worse is not black and white.

but you stated that you are going to switch to AMD because of what happened with EVGA...so that means that Nvidia is your preferred GPU...so my question was does the AIB partner hold that much value?...is switching to an ASUS, Gigabyte or MSI Nvidia GPU that bad?

 

[osrk]

I'm not looking for the best of the best. I'm looking for pretty good and easy to deal with. It's like any relationship, you have to live with it, even if it's not on the cover or in the middle of the big magazines.

Yup that’s why I bought evga. I’m willing to leave some FPS on the table to know that I’d something goes wrong I can speak to an actual person based in the US. I’m not much for brand loyalty when all things are equal but when you treat your customers like gigabyte or msi it’s definitely earned.

I guess I’ll just buy FE cards now. Evga was my go to.

 

[noko]

Sounds like the CEO of EVGA made a very sound business decision. The upcoming tsunami from inflation, recession or worst combined with a glut of used video cards hitting the market. No business, even Nvidia will be able to predict supply chain costs, market conditions for adequate profit. EVGA without adequate information or withheld critical data points have no real choice but to pull out.

As for AMD and particularly Intel, lol -> Intel has zero market presence on discrete and current GPU. I hope EVGA does not waste time with that black hole unless Intel really really makes it worth it. As for AMD which has 20% roughly of the GPU discrete market -> 1/5 so to speak -> Does not sound like too much of an opportunity. Now AMD or AMD AIBs giving jobs to EVGA GPU bunch may be the best chance for the employees. Next generation of GPUs is coming into a very different market condition, maybe no one is going to make much money from it or just plain loose.

Now if EVGA really is planning to keep most of their employees, that indicate to me there are other internal plans not yet revealed. The insistence it seems over and over again employees will be moved around tells me EVGA does have plans and not just laying down. Partnership with someone else? Like Corsair?

 

[Dan_D]

I wonder then why go through all the effort for the X570 and z690 stuff?

EVGA is still doing them but it's a small part of their business. Their motherboard hey day was probably years ago ending roughly around the X58 days. That's not to say they haven't done good boards since then but in the industry they are far from a big player. They do very few press/review samples and move very few units compared to many if not most other brands.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

but you stated that you are going to switch to AMD because of what happened with EVGA...so that means that Nvidia is your preferred GPU...so my question was does the AIB partner hold that much value?...is switching to an ASUS, Gigabyte or MSI Nvidia GPU that bad?

That is not what I stated. I stated if EVGA goes AMD then I will generally prefer AMD. Yes, the AIB holds that much value to me, in the context that matters to me. I don't care about a 10% performance advantage or 10% cost savings. I care about how much time I might have to spend getting good customer service.

 

[noko]

Well if I get a 4090, not planning to at this time, ASUS makes Hybrids as well as others. In other words still plenty of AIBs making Nvidia cards that will work for me. Unless some of them are also coming to the same conclusion as EVGA.

 

[madpistol]

I'm actually really happy with my 3080. If EVGA is skipping this next generation, so am I.

 

[WorldExclusive]

Yup that’s why I bought evga. I’m willing to leave some FPS on the table to know that I’d something goes wrong I can speak to an actual person based in the US. I’m not much for brand loyalty when all things are equal but when you treat your customers like gigabyte or msi it’s definitely earned.

I guess I’ll just buy FE cards now. Evga was my go to.

I think with Nvidia reducing supply/production, AIBs will have a hard time making money over the next year.
FE cards will be more available than AIBs. Best Buy is backordering FE cards, which could mean Nvidia plans to make their money back selling their own chips.
Other AIBs may stop making NV gpus because of this.

 

[ZodaEX]

I think with Nvidia reducing supply/production, AIBs will have a hard time making money over the next year.
Only FE cards will be available. Best Buy is backordering FE cards, which could mean Nvidia plans to make their money back selling their own chips.
Other AIBs may stop making NV gpus because of this.

In my experience Best Buy back orders are very unreliable. Everything I've ever back orded from them was just auto cancelled a 3-4 months later.

 

[pendragon1]

I'm actually really happy with my 3080. If EVGA is skipping this next generation, so am I.

they arent just skipping a gen they are calling it quits with gpus altogether.



kinda surprising but not at the same time...

 

[///AMG]

Well, This explains why we haven't seen any EVGA 4090 Leaks. Just sold My EVGA FE 1080 a month ago(Ran for 5 years). Wow. Guess I'll go with MSI for 4000?

MSI 3090s are dog shit. They used horrible thermal pads. I had 2 friends who got the gaming x trio and both had some liquid running out of the pads which made a mess of their builds. They also clocked lower than my Strix or FTW3 while at the same time being hotter.

Yes, but I'm talking on the retail end, like $500 3080s at retail.
Going into a new gen without StepUp and long term warranty support, their cards have no consumer value.

Does any other AIB have stepup? Long term warranty support is still there as far as we know. 3080s are going to end up at $500 or less regardless of brand.

For me I think the EVGA 3090 ftw3 was better than my Asus 3090 Strix. It run cooler especially the memory, is smaller, was a good $300 cheaper and most importantly still working while my strix died.

 

[sfsuphysics]

Cool save me 20 minutes listening to Jay...

But maybe EVGA does AMD cards now?

 

[HeadRusch]

I'm pressing "F" for Respects to EVGA.

.....
....buuuut Gigabyte and MSI have historically been my go-to brands, which can be loosely translated to this: Every time I finally decided to go shopping, these two brands were always on sale/the cheapest. <cough>. QFT.

 

[pendragon1]

But maybe EVGA does AMD cards now?

they are calling it quits with gpus altogether.

 

[oopspowsurprise]

I think this will happen with other AIBs too.

As politicians make certain decisions..... and resources become more scarce and expensive, things will become more expensive for consumers and provide lower margins for companies like EVGA.

It won't be profitable any longer to produce anything.

I think these are the firm signs of transitioning to cloud gaming. Cloud gaming needs no AIBs. It's all about renting hardware from the manufacturer, in the cloud.

It's over.

Get ready to see downsizings, AIBs closing, and bankruptcies.

Buying a motherboard... CPU... RAM... GPU... etc... and then assembling a system, those days are coming to a close. The "building your own PC" supply chain is going to break down.

"You know... in my day, we used to build our own desktop PCs." -- some dude in the future.

 

[WorldExclusive]

Does any other AIB have stepup? Long term warranty support is still there as far as we know. 3080s are going to end up at $500 or less regardless of brand.

Nope. But $500 retail? We'll see.

In my experience Best Buy back orders are very unreliable. Everything I've ever back orded from them was just auto cancelled a 3-4 months later.

Best Buy is taking orders to be delivered 9 days from now, based on my address. The cards are not going out of stock like before.
Which could mean Nvidia is committed to stocking FE cards. Now that EVGA is bowing out, that's even more 3000 chips over the coming months NV have to sell themselves.

Nvidia's possible move towards full vertical integration is getting closer.

 

[xDiVolatilX]

Meh I'm down with MSI so no worries if the CEO wants to shut down then he shuts it down regardless of the repercussions

 

[DukenukemX]

Eh, hard to say. There's a decent amount of people that use EVGA as their reason to buy Nvidia cards.

Those are strange people. We don't talk about them.

Will they switch to a different partner? Maybe. They might just skip out or head over to AMD.

AMD's been making good GPU's for lower prices for some time now, so if people wanted to switch they would have done it years ago. People justified Maxwell and Pascal because of power efficiency, which is strange since the RTX 3000 serious has some serious power hogs. GTX 970 has the ram bug that Nvidia tried to cover up. Nvidia started to sell GTX 1030's with DDR ram instead of GDDR, which killed its performance. People who buy Nvidia will continue to buy Nvidia with or without EVGA, because they always buy Nvidia.

 

[Phazer Tech]

I think this will happen with other AIBs too.

As politicians make certain decisions..... and resources become more scarce and expensive, things will become more expensive for consumers and provide lower margins for companies like EVGA.

It won't be profitable any longer to produce anything.

I think these are the firm signs of transitioning to cloud gaming. Cloud gaming needs no AIBs. It's all about renting hardware from the manufacturer, in the cloud.

It's over.

Get ready to see downsizings, AIBs closing, and bankruptcies.

Buying a motherboard... CPU... RAM... GPU... etc... and then assembling a system, those days are coming to a close. The "building your own PC" supply chain is going to break down.

"You know... in my day, we used to build our own desktop PCs." -- some dude in the future.

Yup unfortunately I believe you're correct. That's the current trend that's happening now. It's all political.
Many people are losing their ability to even afford power now, much less play games on a 500w GPU.

 

[Flogger23m]

I've had some issues with EVGA over the years, but their cards were some of the more affordable ones as of late. MSI was more expensive. I've essentially only used MSI and EVGA for years.

This is certainly an interesting development because in the US, EVGA seems to have been the biggest and most well known AIB.

 

[LOCO LAPTOP]

This is going to be BFG all over again isn't it?

 

[The Mad Atheist]

I had a couple of their GPUs, a 512MB 9600GT I 1st bought for my game rig, then transferred it to a HTPC build after getting a 512MB 9800GT.
I found it funny their CS or tech support had no clue the 9600 had a 2pin header to pass digital audio out thought DVI port so I could pass it though a DVI to HDMI cable...... doh