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This! Its gone downhill for years now, especially after Techreport and PCPER focused everything on frame metering. Suddenly everything is just a big benchmark and the part where reviewers that focused on the experience is gone most places. I always waited for [H] reviews before I bought new stuff if I could expect a review from here. [H] took the time to describe the user experience and not only show benchmark numbers. I think it was at [H] I first heard the term "bencmark queen" and I believe it was the ATI 2900 XT that was called out then.
They did make a lot money I am sure. The retailers are the ones who made back with huge markups. EVGA was the only brand that was reasonably priced the entire time. Hence why they were the most in demand.
Can't really be holding a grudge for something a company did 20 years ago. While lame they did that back then they have long since improved. They have the best consumer and reviewer relations out of all the AiBs for years now.
I wouldn't consider April 2022 the moment just before crypto crashed. November 2021 Bitcoin was worth over $60k, but by April 2022 it was barely worth $40k. Losing 30% of it's value in the span of 5 months is a good indicator that the crypto market was going down. That and you know, the previous moments in history when it had also crashed. My hypothesis is that Nvidia pushed EVGA and other AIB's to sign a contract to buy GPU's at certain prices and AIB's had no choice but to agree due to the profits they were making in graphic card sales. Rather than deal with low margins, EVGA quit.
You know what the difference was between reading reviews off a website vs watching a YouTube video? You get to see the reviewers face. Everyone was an influencer, because there was plenty of websites that skewed the results in favor of the manufacturers. Toms Hardware is one of those relics from the past that push their viewers to go buy stupid things. Remember when Tom's Hardware said just buy it for Ray Tracing back in 2018? We still debate in 2022 whether or not Ray Tracing is worth considering when buying a graphics card.
Do you know for certain their 80% is not net profit?
A good idea that was poorly executed was a bad idea.
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Nah, a good idea is still a good idea, just needs to be improved upon, which should have been EVGAs response rather then blacklisting [H] then.
Still they were holding to supply and demand arguments as a reason for why everything is expensive, you (as a retailer of any product) shouldn't be able to call foul or "woe is me" when you're on the other side of that same exact argument just because it's not beneficial to you as a business.
I had a mere ti4200 at that time. I can´t remember what brand it was.
You've taken that out of context.Who is the greedy one again?
They aren’t bad PSU’s they are just rebranding Superflower units and those have a good reputation. But you can save some money and buy them direct from Superflower for many units EVGA doesn’t even bother to change the model and part numbers. I prefer Seasonic because I’ve found they handle the initial power draw spikes on GPUs better and have nicer cooling. But that’s pretty negligible.
They need that GPU revenue to pay their workforce. I'm sorry to see them go. Andrew wants to enjoy his money. Can't blame him.
I don't think he would close the GPU division without the means with which to cover salaries. But anythings possible, they may close up shop tomorrow. And yet...the GPU division is history and they are still open for business...
Talk about walking down memory lane. To me not much has changed. Yes, Linus Tech Tips and Jayztwocents are a terrible representation of tech reviewers on YouTube, but there are genially good Tech review channels. Like Gamers Nexus as you've pointed out, but there's many more like Actually Hardcore Overclocking with Buildzoid who does excellent in depth analysis of motherboards and graphic cards. The dude can actually repair hardware as well, which I doubt any tech review web sites every did. Then there's Level1Techs with Wendell who does a great job with network stuff and Linux. Linus Tech Tips will often go to Wendell for help because he actually does this stuff for a living. Hardware Unboxed is good in general and will often review old products against new products which is something ever reviewer should have done.
So you don't know.
Because it can go from profitable to very unprofitable when you consider many things like the warranty EVGA gives out. Remember when Linus Tech Tips was under fire for not giving warranty for their overpriced products? They were afraid of their "children" having to deal with warranty in the future. If EVGA has a string of bad products then they're responsible for the warranty on them. Also EVGA can probably see the problem of selling GPU's at prices nobody wants to buy from them. Nvidia, who has shareholders, won't lower prices and this can leave EVGA stuck with more inventory they can't sell without losing money.
Yep
Every company says they're keeping their employees but they almost never do. Also didn't EVGA say they were letting some people go?
If their salaries is covered by the division that makes up 80% of their revenues, how would they ever be able to do that long term and stay profitable if they close it down? The money has to come from somewhere and the other divisions simply aren't cutting it. Not only are they going to lose one-third of their profits from closing the GPU division, but the profit from their other divisions is going to go toward paying a bunch of people for doing nothing. What they've decided is fundamentally going to not only hurt their company, but the employees as well. Worse, he doesn't want to go work with Intel or AMD because of some loyalty to NVIDIA, who had no loyalty to them if the reasons they parted away from them is valid. So he has more loyalty toward an asshole of a company than the people who rely on him to provide for their families.
Revenue =/= profits. You can sell $1,000,000 of product, all at a loss, and it is still revenue.
Their coffees could be loaded. Enough to bide their time til they start up what ever he is planning.
I like listings like these as it makes it easier. So to sum it up, EVGA are assholes that made shit hardware but offered excellent warranty that didn't play nice together in terms of profits.
At the very least it's more datapoints to suggest what should have already been obvious: the reality of the situation is more nuanced than "EVGA good guy cuz I have one of their GPUs and like their warranty service, Nvidia greedy bad guy". I've always liked EVGA, FWIW. But when also considering Kyle's comments about EVGA blacklisting HardOCP sampling after an unfavorable review, it begins to paint a picture of a company that if the roles were reversed and EVGA was in Nvidia's position, EVGA may just be behaving exactly the same.
No argument there, it's an aspect of retail. You have to make the money while you can early in a product lifecycle because later in its lifecycle you'll be selling at a discount and maybe even a loss.
Faster at what? Fan speed?’ Consuming power? Bricking itself?According to this the rumors were true
It's 2x faster! 2x invisible theoretical metrics! Just buy one.
It's 2x faster in RT when you play a game on it with DLSS 3 vs a 3090ti with DLSS 2.
Well, the 3090 ti was over 2k(ouch), so there's room I'd say.
yeah but how much better in terms of longevity or performance has that own design actually gotten them? Was it a deciding factor for purchasers, or was it the warranty and customer service that brought customers to EVGA?
what's AiB
I bought stuff from EVGA based purely on the team who designed them. Having the EVGA warranty and CS made it a big plus but Kingpin and TiN designed hardware is primarily the reason.
I hope someone picks him up
indeed, happy i have one. Gonna 3d print a holder to display it soon
