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No, it doesn't. Yes, new waves of power supplies will be coming with it :).
For this reason I'll wait. My PC Power & Cooling 1050 is fine for now. Even though they are not even the same company they used to be and I guess taken over by another manufacturer? Lol
 

StoleMyOwnCar

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Wait so are we saying these new power supplies won't be able to power new GPUs at all? Or will there be adapters made? I'm feeling a bit annoyed about my purchase now as I obviously was living in a cave with regards to this.
 
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Wait so are we saying these new power supplies won't be able to power new GPUs at all? Or will there be adapters made? I'm feeling a bit annoyed about my purchase now as I obviously was living in a cave with regards to this.
Oh I didn't mean to trigger that feeling. I would absolutely bet that adapters will work. In fact they may even supply the adapters in the box with the new GPUs lol. I just didn't need the power, don't have a 4000 series GPU, and therefore don't need the extra power or the new connector for at least a few years so for me I would be jumping the gun by a lot.
 

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Oh I didn't mean to trigger that feeling. I would absolutely bet that adapters will work. In fact they may even supply the adapters in the box with the new GPUs lol. I just didn't need the power, don't have a 4000 series GPU, and therefore don't need the extra power or the new connector for at least a few years so for me I would be jumping the gun by a lot.
Yep, don't sweat it, It's a non issue. They won't have a choice but to include adapters with the new cards. Personally I would buy one from EVGA (or whomever your psu manufacturer is)when they become available. Not that I don't trust ngreedia but no, I don't trust ngreedia.

Their aren't any atx 3.0 PSUs available anyhow. Unless you count the single Gigabyte unit that says it meets the new standard but doesn't.
 

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To me a power supply is... well... just a power supply. I thought there was some weird new hardwired regulation that wouldn't let you use it on GPUs, but if there are going to be adapters, and adapters are good enough, then that's fine. This 1200W unit should arrive today and I should be able to use it for 10 or so years, as far as I can tell, unless we start moving into GPUs that require 800-1kW to run or something... in which case I just give up. At that point, my power bill would make it cost more to game than the cost of any possible games or even computers I could buy.
 

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Seems like EVGA is trying to clear a huge pile of big watt PSUs they built for miners now that the new ATX12V spec is coming around. I'm tempted to get one even if I don't need it, my Corsair 1000W gold is plenty enough for my little rig~
 

TheHig

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There is a case picking one of these up now and running whatever adapters are needed. Seems like the way to go if one is trying to get into the new high end cards on the first wave. I don’t currently need anything close to 1000w plus but the price and that 10 year warranty may be worth having one on the shelf for a few years even.
 

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For this reason I'll wait. My PC Power & Cooling 1050 is fine for now. Even though they are not even the same company they used to be and I guess taken over by another manufacturer? Lol
Twice. And they were never a manufacturer they were just a brand who had contracts with the OEM (Win-Tact at the time of their glory) that didn't allow other brands to source from them (which was fine with Win-Tact due to their HUGE medical and commercial....like oineball, arcade, and other business). All PC Power and Cooling ever did was custom modification of wiring harneses if your ordered that. So, clip a wire crimp on a new connector. "We are PSU geniouses!!!!!!!!!!1". Not.
 

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$180 shipped with an associate code, I guess mine is 93O5ZVPJ782UKRD , I don't know if I get anything for sharing it but it'll save you $20 bucks maybe, or google around for another code?

I got the P+ over the P2 because the eco switch is externally mounted, and the P+ is cheaper and smaller. Might be FSP but I've had good luck with their higher ends in the past.

Thanks for posting!
 

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Running my 3090 on a 1000 G6. I'll probably be going 4090, and really hope my power supply will suffice. I'm very tempted to grab this, and sell my current one and only be out $100-$120 for the upgrade.

If you’re going to get a new PSU for a 4090 it might as well be an ATX 3.0 one
 

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The previously linked EVGA post #29 by xx0xx suggests the 1600 P2 is SuperFlower and the P+ a FSP. No problems personally with FSP but I prefer SuperFlower given a choice.

More practically speaking I'm leaning toward the 850 watt P6.

But I forgot about the assoc. codes - which makes the 1600 much more tempting
 

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Let’s not forget ATX 3.0 won’t be a requirement probably in our lifetimes with the way backwards compatibility is pushed forward for things like this, lol.
 

WilyKit

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Why when a similar wattage ATX 3.0 PSU will be 2x or more the price of these deals. Remember these 1600w PSU were $400-500 before the my started dumping them in this sale.

My understanding is those extra 4 sense pins on top of the 12pin PCIe connector allow for better GPU power management and potentially better performance from AD10x GPU's

Speaking for myself, it's the route I would go if I was planning to upgrade my PSU. My PSU's typically last through two complete PC builds each one with at least 1 GPU upgrade before going to the next platform. The extra $150 over the course of all those years is peanuts.
 

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My understanding is those extra 4 sense pins on top of the 12pin PCIe connector allow for better GPU power management and potentially better performance from AD10x GPU's

Speaking for myself, it's the route I would go if I was planning to upgrade my PSU. My PSU's typically last through two complete PC builds each one with at least 1 GPU upgrade before going to the next platform. The extra $150 over the course of all those years is peanuts.
Great point - but I haven’t seen one premium ATX 3.0 PSU, yet - so “waiting and seeing” may not be the best strat.
 

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My understanding is those extra 4 sense pins on top of the 12pin PCIe connector allow for better GPU power management and potentially better performance from AD10x GPU's

Speaking for myself, it's the route I would go if I was planning to upgrade my PSU. My PSU's typically last through two complete PC builds each one with at least 1 GPU upgrade before going to the next platform. The extra $150 over the course of all those years is peanuts.
It will work just fine with a adapter.
 

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Great point - but I haven’t seen one premium ATX 3.0 PSU, yet - so “waiting and seeing” may not be the best strat.
Right. I believe there’s only one currently by MSI. That’s the main problem if you need a PSU ASAP
 

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You didn't dispute his point at all.
Which point? The adapter? There’s no dispute. It’ll work to deliver power but it won’t give you the extra features provided by the 4 pin on an ATX 3.0

I made that clear two posts ago. Apologies you got confused. You’re welcome too
 

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Which point? The adapter? There’s no dispute. It’ll work to deliver power but it won’t give you the extra features provided by the 4 pin on an ATX 3.0

I made that clear two posts ago. Apologies you got confused. You’re welcome too
Yawn, bored now...
 

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Right. I believe there’s only one currently by MSI. That’s the main problem if you need a PSU ASAP
It was only announced yesterday, it hasn't been released yet. They haven't even released any complete specs or pricing. So yeah, there's still nothing atx 3.0 out there.
 

sk3tch

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So wait to buy a quality 750W ATX 3.0 unit for $200 in 2023 or buy a quality 1600W unit today for $200. Hmm
 

chizow

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There's a lot of unknowns and hyperbole being thrown around unnecessarily, so its important to clarify a few things.

1. GPU power requirements are certainly increasing, more than we thought they would be especially with Pascal a few years ago where it didn't seem a 1000+W PSU would ever be needed again unless running mutliple GPUs.
2. Turing happened with a big increase in power consumption and SLI was still supported (poorly) via DX multi-GPU and people thought they needed 1600W PSUs again.
3. Ampere increased power requirements but DX mGPU was only supported on a single SKU, the 3090, which effectively killed the high-end PSU market at 1200+W unless you were going for world records in 3DMark with multiple 3090s.
4. Power limits with a single Lovelace are rumored to be 500-600W+ necessitating the need for a new ATX and PCIE power spec to supply enough power without multiple PCIE 3.0 8-pin connectors.

Soooo what does that mean? If you only plan to run 1 card, you will still be fine with a 1200W or so PSU, so you probably don't need 1600W and in doing so, waiting for an ATX 3.0/PCIE 5.0 PSU may make sense. And if its too expensive, chances are the 1000W-1200W PSU you already have for high-end single GPUs is probably still sufficient even if you have to use adapters of 3-4 8-pin PCIE 3.0 power adapters.

If you plan to only run 1 GPU, even if its a 600W monster, you may only need a 1200-1300W PSU that may be only marginally more expensive than a legacy 1600W PSU designed for multiple GPUs, because the existence of those 1600W PSUs create downward pressure on what those lower wattage PSUs can command. That and the global crash on tech prices will certainly limit what OEMs can ask for. Also, based on marketing materials (I'm not going to emphasize these claims), MSI states the 4 feedback channels help the PSU handle the GPU power spikes up to 2x the rated power supply which is what the GPU can demand.

However, the difference in terms of having 3-4x 8-pin PCIE GPU connectors cannot be denied. Even with my own PSU, removing the two long 8-pin PCIE GPU cables and replacing them with the EVGA PerFE connector was like giving the back side of my case a huge ENNEMA. Now imagine if you had to try to use 4 8-pin connectors to an adapter just to power your GPU. Not only is it super unsightly its a huge rats nest behind your case.

TL;DR no one needs 1600W ATX 3.0 power supplies because there's no GPUs other than 3090Ti that can use them, but also, no one knows how much they will cost relative to existing power supplies because OEMs don't know what kind of value people will place on the benefits of a much more streamlined connectors along with presumably decreased power requirements. Realistically I'm expecting this MSI 1300W PSU to be around $300 which is 50% more expensive than the clearance pricing on these EVGA units for less wattage, but that's still the direction I would go. If its more than that, I'll just wait since my current PSU is more than enough with adapaters and I'll just wait for the ATX 3.0 prices to drop. If I had to buy today for a new build than these EVGA options are certainly a great option!

Pic below to illustrate the difference. My cuticles prefer the 12VHPWR option :D

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For this reason I'll wait. My PC Power & Cooling 1050 is fine for now. Even though they are not even the same company they used to be and I guess taken over by another manufacturer? Lol

They used to be the golden standard a looong time ago but yeah after the acquisition they went down hill.
 

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Not only is it super unsightly its a huge rats nest behind your case.

I'm not sure if I care in the slightest, because I'm already running 3 power cables for this 3080 Ti, and it's fine. Sure you see some cable up front, but overall I would say it's relatively under control.

My 1200W has been hooked up for a few days and working fine so far. I expected it to be louder, but it's really not. Then again I have an aquarium running in the same room to begin with. The next time I will be looking at a PSU purchase will likely be several years down the road. I just hope the adapters are competent.
 

rhkcommander959

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For anyone who cares, most PSUs including these have optimal efficiency at half load which would be 800W

So yeah you may not need 1600w, but running 800w is a lot less taxing and more efficient for the hardware versus a 1000w running at 800W
 
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