EVGA no longer making GPUs!

[Archaea]

Yup. People still dredge that stuff up while willingly forgiving Nvidia each generation.

Having used both in the last five years for mining and gaming… there is less to forgive with Nvidia drivers. Easily observed.

 

[NightReaver]

Having used both in the last five years for mining and gaming… there is less to forgive with Nvidia drivers. Easily observed.

Eh, Ive used both companies an equal amount since my 9800gt. Haven't noticed anything significant between the two.

AMD driver issues are greatly exaggerated nowadays.

 

[Archaea]

Nah. AMD still has the stigma of a inferior product. The complaints about their drivers is still a huge thing.

Not to mention DLSS and RayTracing features are still firmly favoring NVidia.

AMD has FRS 2.0 but it’s only supporting 1/3 of the games that DLSS supports.

Also, let’s be frank. AMD is a copy cat for almost every new feature Nvidia has created over the last 20 years. They either copied it, or didn’t have an equivalent for every progression. Let me know when AMD starts innovating with GPUs.

Physix
HairX
Barracuda
G-Sync
Ray Tracing
ReBar
DLSS

For AMD the only thing I know of is
PLP (portrait, landscape, portrait) monitor support for eyefinity. That has that before Nvidia did it with NVSurround.

Probably more for each side than off the top of my head lists, but clearly the advancement is occurring with Nvidia leading the way.

 

[ultimatebob]

Yeah, I don't blame EVGA for deciding to get out of the GPU business for a while.

In a post-Ethereum mining world where you can get a used GeForce 3090 on eBay for under $800 or a GeForce 3070 for under $350, I doubt that the new 4000 series cards will be selling like hotcakes at retail.

 

[philb2]

I rely on Adobe too - I found the performance with the 6xxx AMD cards is decent - if a bit slower vs team green. FWIW I only ended up buying some AMD cards last year because I couldn’t buy any of the EVGA cards I had wanted, I guess that won’t be problem going forward…

Biggest sticking point for me moving fully to AMD is that I got into playing with ML models and ROCm can’t do everything CUDA can (yet). I don’t even need AMD to be as fast. I just want it to improve to a point where it’s convenient / doesn’t require workarounds and additional setup to run ML under AMD.



Edit: Didn’t see this before I posted. AMD does have AI/ML specific enterprise cards and their support for ML tasks is getting much better - but you have to jump through hoops to get some of it working currently.

Samuel2022

Thanks for the correction.

 

[FrgMstr]

Stay on topic please.

 

[Deleted member 83233]

Yeah, pretty sad. XFX did the same, but at least they kept making AMD cards. (not even sure if they're still around (haven't looked...)) I do really like MSI's cards from the 10 series up though, so I'll just move to those exclusively. I REALLY wish I could go with AMD, but I'm too used to the features I want, just working on NV hardware. They're a pretty shitty company from a respect, and treatment of vendors, OEMs, customers, etc. point of view, but their gear works. Sad to see EVGA bow out. I'm running three of their 30 series cards right now at home, and possibly a couple of 10 series in my kids computers.

 

[SeymourGore]

XFX did the same, but at least they kept making AMD cards. (not even sure if they're still around (haven't looked...)

Yeah, they're still around and making some THICC gpus.

 

[Deleted member 83233]

Yeah, they're still around and making some THICC gpus.

One of my favorite cards was my XFX GTX 295 (dual GPU). I remember it made Mirror's Edge absolutely fly with all the PhysX options cranked, and balanced it all perfectly.

 

[SamuelL421]

One of my favorite cards was my XFX GTX 295 (dual GPU). I remember it made Mirror's Edge absolutely fly with all the PhysX options cranked, and balanced it all perfectly.

I still have BFG GTX295 in the closet somewhere, speaking of which, this EVGA situation feels similar to BFG back then. Brand that I trusted and purchased high-end parts from suddenly going away.

I say "going away" because I can't picture a scenario where many of the remaining parts of EVGA stick around. The halo products and GPUs were the big customer draw. EVGA haven't done as much with crazy high-end motherboards lately. I think they got burned on a few recently, that LGA3647 monstrosity, the $2000 SR-3 motherboard from the other year... remember that one? Yeah, well no one else did either, but I do recall all the $1000+ instant rebate sales that EVGA advertised to unload them. Given that the support, testing, software ( and etc.) staff related to GPUs won't be around forever, how long will EVGA stick with doing low-volume, bespoke motherboards? Clearly they're a gamble sometimes (SR-3) and they can't be a high profit margin situation, especially when you no longer have the overlapping expertise/roles from the much higher-volume GPU side of the business. I suspect EVGA will only be PSU business when the dust settles... at which point, EVGA might as well rebrand as "Superflower USA".

 

[Starfalcon]

Yeah, pretty sad. XFX did the same, but at least they kept making AMD cards. (not even sure if they're still around (haven't looked...)) I do really like MSI's cards from the 10 series up though, so I'll just move to those exclusively. I REALLY wish I could go with AMD, but I'm too used to the features I want, just working on NV hardware. They're a pretty shitty company from a respect, and treatment of vendors, OEMs, customers, etc. point of view, but their gear works. Sad to see EVGA bow out. I'm running three of their 30 series cards right now at home, and possibly a couple of 10 series in my kids computers.

Yeah they still make cards, and their current 6900XT is a really nice card. Thats why I bought mine.

 

[dcun201]

That is sad news to hear. I loved EVGA products for their easy warranty program. Now does anyone knows what other companies warranty service support is on par as EVGA? ASUS?

 

[Skyhopper01]

That is sad news to hear. I loved EVGA products for their easy warranty program. Now does anyone knows what other companies warranty service support is on par as EVGA? ASUS?

Asus is not even close, last time I had to warranty a mouse from them after the 30 day return window I had to fill out this stupid form that pretty much an RMA tech should do, and also pay return shipping.

 

[rumartinez89]

I was really hoping to buy an EVGA during the RTX 3000 era but could never find one in stock. Got lucky and got a 3070 FE during an in store drop. I like the card but it only has a 1 year warranty which is already up. EVGA just seemed to have programs that made you a customer for life.

 

[TaintedSquirrel]

XFX is based in California but they are owned by a Chinese company.
The best customer service on the AMD side is Sapphire.

 

[FrgMstr]

On topic please!

 

[Sir Beregond]

Not to mention DLSS and RayTracing features are still firmly favoring NVidia.

AMD has FRS 2.0 but it’s only supporting 1/3 of the games that DLSS supports.

Also, let’s be frank. AMD is a copy cat for almost every new feature Nvidia has created over the last 20 years. They either copied it, or didn’t have an equivalent for every progression. Let me know when AMD starts innovating with GPUs.

Physix
HairX
Barracuda
G-Sync
Ray Tracing
ReBar
DLSS

For AMD the only thing I know of is
PLP (portrait, landscape, portrait) monitor support for eyefinity. That has that before Nvidia did it with NVSurround.

Probably more for each side than off the top of my head lists, but clearly the advancement is occurring with Nvidia leading the way.

Radeon Anti-Lag comes to mind in recent memory as being a thing before Nvidia Reflex. I'm sure there are more examples.

That said, I agree that clearly Nvidia has the advantage on Ray Tracing currently.

As for EVGA, well 40-series is going to be power hungry, guess they can lean on their PSU business.

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

On topic please!

This is meta commentary, but if we're suddenly going to say that slightly off topic is a capital offense (which must be a new thing considering I've never seen this be such a hot button issue before), why are you even leaving Archaea's post, among the other ones that took it in this direction, unmoderated? My post didn't even start out being off topic, it was quite on topic, I just ended up also responding to two other posts on the subtopic discussion because they were still there and I didn't see the rest of the messages. Yet you deleted the entire thing. And instead of just deleting all of the off topic posts and immediately making a post that says "No more posts about X within this topic, or they will be moderated", you've wasted two posts on this page alone, just vaguely telling us to be on topic while leaving the posts that started the subtopic up. In fact just since you've made that post:

Radeon Anti-Lag comes to mind in recent memory as being a thing before Nvidia Reflex. I'm sure there are more examples.

That said, I agree that clearly Nvidia has the advantage on Ray Tracing currently.

As for EVGA, well 40-series is going to be power hungry, guess they can lean on their PSU business.

There has been yet another response in that direction, probably because they just didn't see your messages, and/or they were too vague. This is nonsensical behavior to me.

 

[FrgMstr]

This is meta commentary, but if we're suddenly going to say that slightly off topic is a capital offense (which must be a new thing considering I've never seen this be such a hot button issue before), why are you even leaving Archaea's post, among the other ones that took it in this direction, unmoderated? My post didn't even start out being off topic, it was quite on topic, I just ended up also responding to two other posts on the subtopic discussion because they were still there and I didn't see the rest of the messages. Yet you deleted the entire thing. And instead of just deleting all of the off topic posts and immediately making a post that says "No more posts about X within this topic, or they will be moderated", you've wasted two posts on this page alone, just vaguely telling us to be on topic while leaving the posts that started the subtopic up. In fact just since you've made that post:


There has been yet another response in that direction, probably because they just didn't see your messages, and/or they were too vague. This is nonsensical behavior to me.

Thanks for your input. See you in a week.

 

[3dprophet]

They say it's not a business decision, then they complain they are losing money on certain cards. It's a business decision. They probably don't see cards being profitable in the future.

Not the first time and probably not the last time a company exited the business. Although usually they don't create this much drama.

 

[therealjustin]

Any word on extended warranties? I have read conflicting stories from people that have contacted customer support, with some being told to ask for refunds because EVGA has no intention to offer support beyond the standard 3 year warranty.

 

[arestavo]

Any word on extended warranties? I have read conflicting stories from people that have contacted customer support, with some being told to ask for refunds because EVGA has no intention to offer support beyond the standard 3 year warranty.

Dunno where you heard the no intention of honoring the warranty.

It used to be EVGA would replace a defective GPU with a new model, similar performance replacement if they didn't have your model card. That's why some folks opted for the 10 year warranty. This practice won't continue for obvious reasons, yet hopefully EVGA will retain enough cards on hand for their calculated replacement requirements.

EVGA did let Techpowerup know that if folks didn't feel comfortable with EVGA's extended warranty that you can email support@evga.com and request a refund on your recently purchased extended warranty.

 

[Pestluder]

I still have BFG GTX295 in the closet somewhere, speaking of which, this EVGA situation feels similar to BFG back then. Brand that I trusted and purchased high-end parts from suddenly going away.

I say "going away" because I can't picture a scenario where many of the remaining parts of EVGA stick around. The halo products and GPUs were the big customer draw. EVGA haven't done as much with crazy high-end motherboards lately. I think they got burned on a few recently, that LGA3647 monstrosity, the $2000 SR-3 motherboard from the other year... remember that one? Yeah, well no one else did either, but I do recall all the $1000+ instant rebate sales that EVGA advertised to unload them. Given that the support, testing, software ( and etc.) staff related to GPUs won't be around forever, how long will EVGA stick with doing low-volume, bespoke motherboards? Clearly they're a gamble sometimes (SR-3) and they can't be a high profit margin situation, especially when you no longer have the overlapping expertise/roles from the much higher-volume GPU side of the business. I suspect EVGA will only be PSU business when the dust settles... at which point, EVGA might as well rebrand as "Superflower USA".

The following is purely based on information from Steve's latest video.

While the PSU business was 20% of the revenue, it made almost 50% of the profits.
So yes, a whole lot of people will lose their jobs and a massive amount of knowledge is leaving. But they'll carry on making a product line without the associated stress of Nvidia.

It's a shame that they're gone, as they did push the envelope in a way I can't see Asus, MSI or Gigabyte doing.

 

[Sim]

Steve at GN has his head so far up evga backside.

If you go checkout evga glass door reviews by former employees. The biggest complaints they had is how Andrew Han micro manages everything. I think Andrew Han was just looking for any excuse he could find to exit GPU market to spend more time with his family. If he can't micro manage it, he doesn't want to sell the product.

Without graphics cards, why would anyone buy evga re-branded power supplies or mediocre gaming peripherals. My future power supplies will be SeaSonic.


Anyone that's been keeping up on evga products over the years seen this day coming. The company has been going downhill for years. They failed to enter laptop market, case market and it's mainstream motherboards have been subpar for years. If anyone didn't catch it, evga not making any AMD AM5 motherboards. They will only have like two SKU's for Intel motherboards. I bet we see evga pull out of Europe and other countries. They already treated Europe customers like 2nd class customers.

 

[Sir Beregond]

If you go checkout evga glass door reviews by former employees. The biggest complaints they had is how Andrew Han micro manages everything. I think Andrew Han was just looking for any excuse he could find to exit GPU market to spend more time with his family. If he can't micro manage it, he doesn't want to sell the product.

Great point. I took a look as well this week and it was pretty telling.

 

[D-EJ915]

Asus is not even close, last time I had to warranty a mouse from them after the 30 day return window I had to fill out this stupid form that pretty much an RMA tech should do, and also pay return shipping.

You have to pay shipping for RMAs to evga too not sure why that matters pretty much every company does this.

 

[TaintedSquirrel]

Pulled this off Reddit. Been a while since I thought about BFG.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/GPU-Graphics-Cards-GeForce-BFG,10452.html

After eight years of providing innovative, high-quality graphics cards to the market, we regret to say that this category is no longer profitable for us, although we will continue to evaluate it going forward," said John Slevin, chairman of BFG Technologies in a statement. "We will continue to provide our award-winning power supplies and gaming systems, and are working on a few new products as well. I'd like to stress that we will continue to provide RMA support for our current graphics card warranty holders, as well as for all of our other products such as power supplies, PCs and notebooks.

They shut down 3 months later.

https://www.techpowerup.com/128911/bfg-tech-almost-defunct-stops-honoring-rmas

Some history repeating itself in the comments:
"its called recession some make it some dont..you'll see more companies fall as time passes"

 

[NKD]

Not to mention DLSS and RayTracing features are still firmly favoring NVidia.

AMD has FRS 2.0 but it’s only supporting 1/3 of the games that DLSS supports.

Also, let’s be frank. AMD is a copy cat for almost every new feature Nvidia has created over the last 20 years. They either copied it, or didn’t have an equivalent for every progression. Let me know when AMD starts innovating with GPUs.

Physix
HairX
Barracuda
G-Sync
Ray Tracing
ReBar
DLSS

For AMD the only thing I know of is
PLP (portrait, landscape, portrait) monitor support for eyefinity. That has that before Nvidia did it with NVSurround.

Probably more for each side than off the top of my head lists, but clearly the advancement is occurring with Nvidia leading the way.

Ray tracing is ray tracing. how do you copy it? Freesync was nothing like Gsync requiring module, it did force nvidia to loosen up its stance. DLSS is proprietary whild FSR is open atleast. Just because it does similar things doesn't mean its copy cat. You can't ray trace without ray tracing, you either support it or you don't. IDK what you mean by copy cat.

 

[KickAssCop]

Can EVGA survive without making GPUs? I thought these were high margin products?

 

[ZeroBarrier]

Can EVGA survive without making GPUs? I thought these were high margin products?

Easy to find the answer; just look at BFG. History repeats itself.

 

[arestavo]

Can EVGA survive without making GPUs? I thought these were high margin products?

Gamers Nexus went into it in depth - while GPUs were a major part of the total revenue, they were only something like 20% of the total profit. The margins were just so skinny on the GPUs, thanks to the stranglehold NPP (nvidia partner project) requirements and nvidia directly selling GPUs for the past couple of generations.

EVGA no longer selling GPUs will likely hurt the overall brand as far as outreach, but if they keep the same US based customer support and great warranty service (at least for US customers) - I'll still be buying motherboards and power supplies from them - and maybe even AMD or Intel GPUs in the future.

 

[noko]

Well 2020 and 2021 and part of 2022, Power Supplies were in high demand and pushed to high costs which EVGA sold them at. Of course their profits on these would be extraordinary. I don't see that happening now. It will probably get pretty cut throat in the near future. Same with their other items.

The owner really knows, I wonder if he is sick as in terminally ill. I don't know but to move out like this without obvious other business plans seems more like a wind down and closer in the future.

 

[Denpepe]

Well 2020 and 2021 and part of 2022, Power Supplies were in high demand and pushed to high costs which EVGA sold them at. Of course their profits on these would be extraordinary. I don't see that happening now. It will probably get pretty cut throat in the near future. Same with their other items.

The owner really knows, I wonder if he is sick as in terminally ill. I don't know but to move out like this without obvious other business plans seems more like a wind down and closer in the future.

But keep selling graphics cards at a loss is a good business decision? The bigger manufacturers who make their stuff in house and have a much bigger line up of products might be able to weather this storm but unfortunatellyufor EVGA their line up of products is too small to compensate. Ofc they could continue the way they were and go out of busniness even faster.

 

[ZeroBarrier]

But keep selling graphics cards at a loss is a good business decision? The bigger manufacturers who make their stuff in house and have a much bigger line up of products might be able to weather this storm but unfortunatellyufor EVGA their line up of products is too small to compensate. Ofc they could continue the way they were and go out of busniness even faster.

Sometimes, you need a loss leader to remain on top, and in this case they needed that loss leader to even stay relevant (soon to be, "stay in business"). The company as a whole wasn't losing money were they? So how would they go out of business by keeping a loss leader in their product catalog?

 

[noko]

But keep selling graphics cards at a loss is a good business decision? The bigger manufacturers who make their stuff in house and have a much bigger line up of products might be able to weather this storm but unfortunatellyufor EVGA their line up of products is too small to compensate. Ofc they could continue the way they were and go out of busniness even faster.

Of course not, but overall for the 30 generation there was no indication they took a loss. Just an example EVGA use on a recent Nvidia price reduction (hell that is Nvidia choice) when it was EVGA that made too many cards.

If EVGA wants more control, unique designs, total price control then they have that option with AMD custom division. Which we have no indication of them using. With their complaints dealing with Nvidia who they know well, how they work and trends should allow them ample time to shift to another supplier. In other words I smell some BS from them.

With AMD they could have special coprocessors with the GPU. Anyways it is like if Ford just suddenly decided not to make trucks any longer with a number of reasons and have no plans or items ready or in the pipeline.

It does look like a progression downward for their business to some future closure. Until EVGA share what they are really going to do, we will just be speculating.

 

[agjr85]

Is this for Nvidia, will they focus on Intel/AMD ?

 

[kirbyrj]

Is this for Nvidia, will they focus on Intel/AMD ?

No, it's no GPUs at all.

 

[kirbyrj]

Of course not, but overall for the 30 generation there was no indication they took a loss. Just an example EVGA use on a recent Nvidia price reduction (hell that is Nvidia choice) when it was EVGA that made too many cards.

If EVGA wants more control, unique designs, total price control then they have that option with AMD custom division. Which we have no indication of them using. With their complaints dealing with Nvidia who they know well, how they work and trends should allow them ample time to shift to another supplier. In other words I smell some BS from them.

With AMD they could have special coprocessors with the GPU. Anyways it is like if Ford just suddenly decided not to make trucks any longer with a number of reasons and have no plans or items ready or in the pipeline.

It does look like a progression downward for their business to some future closure. Until EVGA share what they are really going to do, we will just be speculating.

Funny you say that about Ford since they did just randomly decide a few years ago they weren't going to make cars anymore and instead focus on SUVs and trucks.

It sounds more like the owner of EVGA is just winding down the company since by all accounts he is a micro-manager. You would think he would just sell the company and retire like most other people, but I guess he's taking his company with him to the old folks home.