EVE Spectrum: 27" 1440 144/240 Hz IPS or 4K 144 Hz IPS

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Standard shipping to Aus. The accessories I ordered though didn't come with it and are coming in a 2nd shipment. Probably the next cargo container they send here.

I've been trying out the strobing mode in Overwatch and it's tuned really well (thanks BlurBusters). Only medium and long pulse though, short is a little dark for my liking. I haven't really noticed any red fringing that's supposed to be present in these LG panels, but then I may not have played anything that would show it off yet.

Colours seem reasonably accurate in SRGB mode etc, but then I haven't used my calibration unit on it yet since I haven't had to do any photo editting lately. HDR is actually usable compared to HDR400 monitors and it looks ok in some movies, but I'll still probably just mostly use SDR until in a couple of years when I grab a 42" OLED.

There's a bug on mine on the latest firmware (102), where if you let yourr system goes to sleep and you wake it back up, adaptive sync in game makes the screen drop the image and blink black slowly. Power cycling the monitor fixes the problem. This will probably get fixed in a future firmware update.

All in all I'm glad I stuck by it, it's a really good monitor. I'm hoping it gets a Hardware Unboxed review at some point.
 
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Standard shipping to Aus. The accessories I ordered though didn't come with it and are coming in a 2nd shipment. Probably the next cargo container they send here.
Nice. Good to see the positive experiences trickling in from those who have received theirs. Did you get a shipping notification before receiving it? I'm not sure if anyone with standard shipping has received theirs in the States yet.
 

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Nice. Good to see the positive experiences trickling in from those who have received theirs. Did you get a shipping notification before receiving it? I'm not sure if anyone with standard shipping has received theirs in the States yet.
Yes for air shipping.

Recommend air shipping though where possible. Air shipping jumps the slow china boat queue, unless you're very sure it's at a fairly local warehouse already (aka Amazon et al).

More expensive, but more covered by shipper insurance. No matter what the manufacturer. By personal experience, I feel uneasy with many shippers, with Blur Busters shipping lots of prototype monitors back and forth with multiple manufactures -- such as my tuning work on the ViewSonic XG2431. You also reduce supply chain risks (can be a useful comfort zone de-risking for kickstarteresque crowdsource-development hardware), since it is a direct air ship rather than a slow boat to a warehouse followed by a ground ship. Even $150 for shipping buys me much more peace of mind. It's easier to claim shipping damage refund (still big hassle but easier) from the well known courier shippers.

I've been trying out the strobing mode in Overwatch and it's tuned really well (thanks BlurBusters).
Thanks for the compliment about Blur Busters strobe tuning!

Only medium and long pulse though, short is a little dark for my liking. I haven't really noticed any red fringing that's supposed to be present in these LG panels, but then I may not have played anything that would show it off yet.
Excellent to hear. A very well strobe-tuned KSF panel can make the red fringing completely invisible in most real-world material. But you'll definitely see it in test pattern amplifiers such as testufo.com/crosstalk maximized to full screen, as a red ghost trail.

The bottom line is that after a lot of tuning, KSF phosphor ghosting can be mostly hidden to the point where it's vastly superior to a plasma display (less phosphor ghosting than a plasma display) even if not as low as the world's best CRTs.

Although my red-phosphor article in the Blur Busters Area 51 "Research" area of my website may have scared off a few people from KSF-phosphor panels, my experience is they are quite pleasing strobers if you need wider color gamut strobing (130%) or need a most-CRT-like MAME LCD for arcade cabinets or such. In addition to 60Hz single strobe support, the actual phosphor-based red ghosting seems to add a slight accidental "CRT ambience" to the panel by accident -- maybe that's part of why the Eve Spectrum 4K144 it looks more CRT-like than usual.

Have you tried the brand new Eve-compatible Strobe Utility combined with Large Vertical Totals (Quick Frame Transport)? You can get even less strobe crosstalk than factory with these tweaks.
 
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Mark, have you come across any 1440p or higher gaming monitors that can strobe at 400 nits or greater? The dimness is always what makes me return a display with regard to strobing.
 

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Mark, have you come across any 1440p or higher gaming monitors that can strobe at 400 nits or greater? The dimness is always what makes me return a display with regard to strobing.
400 nits? Not yet.

It can be done with 2000nit FALD scanning backlights running at 20:80% on-vs-off duty cycle. So perhaps eventually. With sufficient LED count (2000+ zones plus) the light diffusion falls quite a bit, and crosstalk can be kept low.

Voltage boosting (backlight overdrive) may allow a 1000 nit backlight to do 400 nit strobe surges, but it will take time before they put sufficiently powerful LEDs in.

For now, the best blur reduction experience tends to be the newer LCD VR headsets.
 
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But you'll definitely see it in test pattern amplifiers such as testufo.com/crosstalk maximized to full screen, as a red ghost trail.
Yeah I can 100% see it in the link. Every game I've run so far though I can't spot it. edit* Spoke too soon, I can see it in the load up screen of Hell Let Loose if I flick my eyes. So I can only notice it in edge cases.

I tried out the strobe utility, but I think how it's tuned right now is good for my needs. If I was to get back into CS I would probably fine tune the settings, but then if I was to get back into CS I would have bought a 240hz 1440p monitor instead.
 
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Standard shipping to Aus.
Got a delivery estimate for mine today - October 5-13. Think you folks in Aus are lucky to have received your batch of standard orders so early. US and all of Europe seems pretty far behind.
 

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Still no reports of the max brightness while strobing on this monitor? If it could do 200-250 nits minimum, I may consider it.
 

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Still no reports of the max brightness while strobing on this monitor? If it could do 200-250 nits minimum, I may consider it.
If I can find where I put my i1display calibrator I'll measure the nits for you. That's even if it still works since I damaged the cable when moving stuff around.

*edit* It does ~250cd/m2 in long pulse width, ~150 in medium pulse width and ~50 in short pulse width (selectable modes in the monitors settings). Results the same between sRGB and DCI-P3 (selectable modes in the monitor settings). This is using i1display and the i1profiler uniformity measurement tool, refresh rate 144hz.

Got a delivery estimate for mine today - October 5-13.
The ship must have just left HK.

I still haven't received the accessories I ordered though which is quite annoying. I'm hoping it's coming with the next ship that comes here since they said it was on it's way. I have a feeling they had more orders for cables etc than they were expecting. I'll probably have to contact them soon again about it.
 
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Related issue affecting everything industry-wide: https://www.businessinsider.com/shi...in-record-ships-stuck-california-ports-2021-8

Large numbers of gaming monitors of different brands are also delayed -- e.g. lack of stock for, say, ViewSonic XG2431's in USA.
Eve said they had enough stock to fill all pre-orders, so hopefully they were telling the truth there.

Even with 44 ships at that port, the average wait time is 7.6 days. Transit time from HK to US is 22 days. Even adding a couple weeks to account for other delays doesn't really explain the long wait for Spectrum.

I'm on the fence about cancelling. TBH I thought Eve would have learned from the Eve V but their communication around shipping has been pretty atrocious. I'm concerned about support should I receive a lemon, as there are reports on the Eve forum of people having difficulty getting help with DOA units.
 

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If I can find where I put my i1display calibrator I'll measure the nits for you. That's even if it still works since I damaged the cable when moving stuff around.

*edit* It does ~250cd/m2 in long pulse width, ~150 in medium pulse width and ~50 in short pulse width (selectable modes in the monitors settings). Results the same between sRGB and DCI-P3 (selectable modes in the monitor settings). This is using i1display and the i1profiler uniformity measurement tool, refresh rate 144hz.

OK interesting! Do you find the motion clarity worth it to strobe?

I know Mark did not put his "certification" on the motion clarity due to the red phosphor trailing, but are there any other options for high refresh 4K monitors that can strobe?
 

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OK interesting! Do you find the motion clarity worth it to strobe?
I only really use strobing in multiplayer fps, which if there's a lot of high contrast areas between light and dark tones you'll notice the red phosphor trailing when you flick your eyes (much like seeing the RGB rainbow with DLP projectors). I don't notice it enough to prevent me from using it but then not everyone is the same and it may annoy you more than me. The long and medium pulse widths are usable, short is too dark. And there is better motion clarity of course.

I mean if you're in the market for a 27" 144hz 4k monitor, this is probably the best bang for buck without too much compromise at the moment (HDR is usable but not great). But with the way international shipping is at the moment, it may take a while unless you go express shipping. And don't you have a couple of 48" OLEDs?

Surely Hardware Unboxed must have a unit in by now for review, then I can see how accurate my opinion of the monitor is.
 
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But with the way international shipping is at the moment, it may take a while unless you go express shipping. And don't you have a couple of 48" OLEDs?
Not positive but it seems express shipments stopped going out around the end of July. There are a few people over on the Eve forums who placed orders with express shipping in the first week of August and their orders haven't shipped yet.

Also worth mentioning that Eve previously offered an express shipping upgrade to any customers who wanted to pay the difference, so long as their shipment hadn't arrived in port at the destination country. I contacted them yesterday to inquire if this was still possible and they said no. I expect this means they are out of inventory currently and don't think an express order would arrive before my mid-October standard shipping delivery date.

edit - Eve posted an update on their forums saying their logistics manager just quit. Thankfully, they seem to be trying to be more transparent with regard to shipping.
 
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OK interesting! Do you find the motion clarity worth it to strobe?
Personally: Yes. 4K resolution is more prone to the vicious cycle effect -- higher resolutions amplify visibility of motion blur, which amplify needs for higher refresh rates and/or strobing.

I do advise a little bit of refresh rate headroom (e.g. 100Hz or 120Hz) since refresh rate headroom has a massive reduction in strobe crosstalk.

Vendors have to decide whether to cap their strobe rate (e.g. NVIDIA) or unlock their strobe rate and let users decide crosstalk increase at max-Hz is worth it. Blur Busters espouses the Hz-unlock philosophy for strobing -- presets-free any-Hz strobing.

For the 4K144, the sweet spot is 4K100 or 4K120 with the Quick Frame Transport timings (Large VBIs) entered in ToastyX to reduce strobe lag slightly and reduce crosstalk too. Javid posted a fairly impressive pursuit photo of 4K100 in the eve forums, with better strobing than any other KSF panel on the market.

UPDATE: TechSpot is confirming the great quality of Blur Busters strobe tuning.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2359-eve-spectrum-4k/
 
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Eve posted another update on availability. They expect new inventory around the middle of September, but that will be their last shipment for the year as they are now experiencing a parts shortage. Production will resume in January 2022 at the earliest, so we likely shouldn't expect those units to start shipping until February.
 

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Paid the deposit in 2020, balance payment in May, and today my Spectrum is out for delivery!
 
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Regardless of Eve's reputation, strobing is the best feature of it IMHO -- but then again, I'm Blur Busters.

Two new reviews (semi-related)

1. TechSpot is complimenting the quality of Blur Busters strobe tuning in Eve Spectrum 4K144.
https://www.techspot.com/review/2359-eve-spectrum-4k/
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(I can get a bit better than that simply by adding refresh rate headroom, e.g. 100Hz or 120Hz, since you want to strobe below max Hz, to allow LCD GtG to hide in blanking intervals between refresh cycles)

2. Another similar monitor I worked on, ViewSonic XG2431 (the Blur Busters Approved 2.0 one), is also getting great compliments about strobe tuning.
YouTuber review of ViewSonic XG2431

Both ViewSonic XG2431 and Spectrum 4K144 these monitors support retro-friendly strobing (more accurately simulate a blur-free 60Hz CRT tube for old content), and I am working on additional manufacturers (hardware development lifecycles have stretched to 2-3 years due to parts shortages, alas). They both support their respective versions of Strobe Utility that I have developed for respective companies.

I wish more manufacturers would support optional retro-friendly strobing that is console-compatible and cable-box-compatible (any-source strobing).

Too few LCDs correctly allows users to simulate a 60Hz CRT tube for a motion blur reduction perspective, when users want less motion blur in retro material (without hacks such as software BFI).
 
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