EU Wants to Scrap Seasonal Time Changes

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  1. JStamsek

    JStamsek [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Yeah. Then you get a job that’s tied to customers so your working hours change anyways because of DST. I can’t win! Lol
     
  2. Master_shake_

    Master_shake_ [H]ardForum Junkie

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    i'm for it.

    EU finally you've done something good.

    i guess 1 out 7000 isn't that bad.
     
  3. steakman1971

    steakman1971 2[H]4U

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    This so needs to go. It messes up our sleep patterns.
     
  4. faugusztin

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    Back when ? Most countries observe DST only since '70s or '80s.
     
  5. J3RK

    J3RK [H]ardForum Junkie

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    That's how the man has been holding us down since Franklin was around!
     
  6. The Mad Atheist

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    Would be nice if Florida end time changes.
     
  7. tordogs

    tordogs Limp Gawd

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    Now we know where MS got the idea to reinstall their OS twice/year. Leave time alone and leave Windows alone. All these changes every six months are ridiculous. Pick one and stay with it.
     
  8. SecretStash

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    Permanent DLS isn't bad. Especially if you live on Eastern side of time zone.
     
  9. nutzo

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    +100

    Shocked that I actually agree with something the EU wants to do. Probably means this has no chance of passing :p
     
  10. Paul_Johnson

    Paul_Johnson [H] Admin Staff Member

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    Username checks out ;)
     
  11. Krenum

    Krenum [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I don't like spring forward, but I love fall backward :vamp:
     
  12. mynamehere

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    I'd rather keep DST and scrap standard time. More light in the evening is a lot more useful.
     
  13. [21CW]killerofall

    [21CW]killerofall Aliens...

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    You mean like we did back in 1972 (implemented the current version)? It is called UTC or Coordinated Universal Time. Just don't forget those leap seconds!
     
  14. Laowai

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  15. Wrecked Em

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    I actually like changing the clocks.

    The best part is getting to listen to all the toddlers cry because their nap schedule shifted ever so slightly.
     
  16. blade52x

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    Just move it back 30 minutes and keep it that time all year around. Therefore both sides get half of what they want.
     
  17. mkrohn

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    you mean nobody gets what they want?
     
  18. blade52x

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    You get no more changing clocks, but no the time you'd like. Therefore, half.
     
  19. DocNo

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    If you ever had to manage a wide variety of devices with different operating systems you wouldn't even joke about that, let alone half way seriously suggest it.

    BS changes to time screw up all kinds of stuff on a routine basis - it costs hundreds of millions annually. How DST is still thing simply boggles my mind.
     
  20. DTN107

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    Come to Alaska during the months of May to July. It is a gold mine if you want sunlight in the evening. ;)
     
  21. Zarathustra[H]

    Zarathustra[H] Official Forum Curmudgeon

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    Agreed. I was kind of thinking of doing the linux approach. Keep everything running UTC under the hood, and translate it to something user friendly as part of the user interface.
     
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  22. Elf_Boy

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    I have read that China uses one time zone.
     
  23. Elf_Boy

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    The midpoint between sunrise and sunset is noon. Moves around the earth every 24 hours, right?

    Not sure what you mean?
     
  24. jedijeb13

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    I get up at 6am and leave work at 5pm or after, doesn't really matter because by the time I can drive home it will be dark anyhow, so I vote just sync with standard time so it doesn't mess up my system on my telescope for making astrophotos. My friend always complained and said he wanted the extra hour of daylight so he could do things at home after work, but I once pointed out that it was already dark almost an hour before we leave so he gained nothing or lost nothing lol. If you live in the more northern states it matters even less unless you get off work before 4pm.
     
  25. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    I teach multiple astronomy labs at night, the later the time before the sun goes down, the worse off it is for my students, if it didn't get to nautical twilight until 9-9:30pm then I wouldn't ever go out (class ends at 10)
     
  26. Laowai

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    That's true, and it's pretty damn stupid. China should span 4 or 5 different time zones but they all use Beijing time, which is fine...if you live near Beijing.
    It's problematic for those in the west of China like Xinjiang. Some locals keep their watches set to the actual time instead of Beijing time...but they can be, and are sometimes arrested for it.
    I wish I was making this up.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/uig...differently-beijing-human-rights-watch-2018-9

    For anyone interested in learning more about the douchebaggery that goes on..
    https://www.ft.com/content/ac0ffb2e-8b36-11e8-b18d-0181731a0340
    There is much more to it.
     
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  27. Nebell

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    Works fine for China, they have neither.
     
  28. focbde

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    It exists... it's called GMT/UTC. All other times are just plus or minus GMT... :)
     
  29. Armenius

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    Well, which one is it? The day starts at noon with GMT, while it starts at midnight with UTC :cool:.
     
  30. Olle P

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    And then you have to check the difference and adjust all your clocks manually every day to make them show the correct time...
    Rubbish!

    Yes, one right and one wrong. Getting rid of the time change is good, having each nation individually decide what time zone to use is bad.

    I can only agree. To me it doesn't matter if sunrise is 9 a.m. or 10 a.m. but sunset matters in the afternoon.
    As it is now you have to set the clock back just when it would help the most to not do it.
    In the afternoon you get overnight from "sun about to go down" to "late dusk".
    In the mornings the week before going to wintertime the sun is very low above the horizon, causing annoying (and potentially dangerous) glare while going to work. And just as that problem is gone by the sun not reaching high enough you set the clock back an hour and get the same problem for another week...
     
  31. focbde

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    A GMT day hasn't started at noon for a veeeery long time. The reason back then was that astronomers were able to have an entire night captured in one day's entry.

    They don't change the calendar date in the UK at noon for example... but at midnight.
     
  32. Zarathustra[H]

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    The old fashioned manual clock without a computer and connectivity to back it up is so quaint. Who even buys these anymore? :p
     
  33. Elf_Boy

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    Ya but I cant type that while at work :)
     
  34. Elf_Boy

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    I dont care what times we use, standard, savings, hippie, Beijing, GMT, as long as it doesnt change. Pick something and stick with it.
     
  35. Uvaman2

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    I think in the US it is a politician's badge of honor to NEVER eliminate daylight's saving time... it's to rub it in constituents face, just how much they don't serve the general's public interests in anyway shape or form.
    Know your place Joe public, know your place.

    Daylight savings gets the hate of most people and should be nixed already!.
     
  36. Patton187

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    If they really want to push it through, they should sell DLST as anti-imigrant.
     
  37. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Well the problem is you're thinking about the now, with all of our modern conveniences everything from A/C, ways to keep food cold and not spoil, washing clothes and dishes without gaining any muscles, and of course all the electronic areas of entertainment, and in that sense only 9% of our total energy needs come from lighting. When you wash stuff doesn't matter, your food doesn't care the time of day to keep itself cold, your TV shows you watch matters not regardless if you watch them now or later. So in this modern world, there's really not much of an energy savings by switching times around, however the idea of DST is more of something that's kept around probably just because we tend to become curmudgeons in our old ways, the only real reason people care about them is if they have work schedules that benefit from enjoying light more at night, it's the same amount of light, and sounds like a lot of people want the summer time schedule just because they benefit due to their work schedule, I sure as hell don't benefit from it.
     
  38. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    The problem isn't the existence of such a system, the problem is no one follows it... except those who live locally to it. I mean I can say I have "Wake time" which means all stores should be open because it's "wake time" damnit, want to close up for the day? Well you can do that when it's "Sleep time"
     
  39. Dan_D

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    This. In today's modern world, daylight savings time serves but one purpose and that's to annoy the shit out of everyone.
     
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  40. mkrohn

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    and you know... actual gold mines
     
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