Epic Games Sues Yet Another Fortnite Cheater, Alleging Copyright Infringement

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  1. Megalith

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    Popular YouTuber ”Golden Modz” (Brandon Lucas) is the latest personality to get sued by Epic Games for cheating in Fortnite. The streamer has made a name for himself by advertising cheats (dubbed “magical powers”) to his 1.7 million subscribers, which he would then sell on multiple storefronts. An associate, Colton Conter (a.k.a. “Exentric”), is also being sued.

    Both defendants have displayed their use of cheats in various YouTube videos. By using these cheats, they inject code into the game which modifies the original, which is a clear violation of copyright law, according to Epic Games. Even worse, Golden Modz also stands accused of selling cheats online through the websites goldengodz.com and gtagods.com, which are often advertised in his gameplay videos.
     
  2. sfsuphysics

    sfsuphysics I don't get it

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    Regardless of how this all plays out, I'm happy people who SELL cheats are getting slapped around. Cheats should not be something that cost money if you want to screw around in a game.
     
  3. PeaKr

    PeaKr Gawd

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    I think epic should spend the money fixing exploits or relegating cheaters to their own server, maybe hook cheaters up with an in game moniker when caught > [CHEATER] Player 1 and hand out bonus points for killing them.
     
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  4. Dregan73

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    I think we should have the death penalty for cheaters in online games, that put a stop to it real qucik
     
  5. Zepher

    Zepher [H]ipster Replacement

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    Naw, cut off a hand for first violation, and then cut off the other for the second.
     
  6. Darth Ender

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    Maybe being a multiplayer game cheater is a cry for help. A sign of some deep mental disability or damage requiring medical treatment and our compassion. Making the profiting off their disability or illness even worse.

    Or some people are just trash.
     
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  7. SecretStash

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    I hope "Copyright Infringement" doesn't ever carry over to honest free modding. That would be a scary precedent.
     
  8. Galvin

    Galvin 2[H]4U

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    You guys should be in favor of this. Basically someone is making money off someone elses IP.
     
  9. viscountalpha

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    i'm in favor of cheaters getting their just rewards. In this case, a life cripping lawsuit seems like proper justice for those of us who have to put up with this kind of garbage.
     
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  10. Derangel

    Derangel [H]ard as it Gets

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    As far as I understand it, modding is a legal grey area. There really has been no legal case that has defined whether or not modding would fall under fair use or not. As it is, developers and publishers are able to allow or disallow modding at their whim right now.
     
  11. Icon_Charlie

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    Well if you modeled/used/created something with one of my IP's without my approval I will come at you with my attorneys.
    The Key phrase is "without my approval". If for some strange reason a guy does a mod to a widget I created and he asked permission to do so, then we talk about licensing and so on. But you can see what recently happen with Lucas Film filing a C&D against someone modding one of their IP's.

    This is really a can of worms here in the case of modeling. For the most part I believe and so does other corporations that this helps promoting a product especially an older product. . But IP's are more than its weight in gold. It is something that can create money for a long long time so corporations and people have to protect them.

    And corporations will take the easiest way out of situation like this... A C&D.
     
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  12. STEvil

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    Wish cheating resulted in permanent account bans
     
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  13. Link

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    It makes things worse that he doesn't know what he is doing is wrong.
     
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    Interesting to see if this sort of thing spills into other areas.

    Like, a retailer upgrading the power cord of a tool and selling it for slightly more.

    Etc. Etc


    But I get that they mainly are upset about the cheating.
    Copyright just seems like an odd way to fight it.
     
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  15. m_isom

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    Copyright is a stretch, it isn't code being changed, it is memory values. Windows crashes with a program on a memory error are you going after Microsoft? Cheating in multiplayer is foul, but single player I loved my game genie which I am sure galoob won a copyright case against nintendo so precedence is in

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_Genie
     
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  16. Lakados

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    It does but it's a F2P game, nothing stopping them from creating a new email account and starting again. I wish they had the ability to go to the offending players ISP and have them black list them from the game simply kill off any packet from that user to any Fortnite server and call it done. ISP's could charge a processing fee for the service to game companies and as long as it was a one time fee and reasonable they would pay in a heartbeat.
     
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    Not all games unfortunately. Just look at all the aimbots in games that are $60+ like bf1.
     
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    Good, fuck people like this.
     
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    I think you have it backwards. Game companies should not have to shoulder the burden of costs to be rid of cheaters. They would end up passing that on to the players whe are not cheating. Cheaters should get a happy present from their ISP, that due to cheating in online games they will incur a 15$/month/instance maintenance fee to block them from connecting to online servers.

    I think all his followers should be banned from online games as well. Anyone supporting this shit should pay the price for it.
     
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    Maybe they could work with YouTube to accidentally profile the subscribers accounts heavily towards Barbie dolls and makeup tutorial channels for a couple of weeks. Just blame the "AI" as usual if necessary.
     
  21. TheBuzzer

    TheBuzzer HACK THE WORLD!

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    i hope the cheat sellers will lose. hate online cheaters. esp aimbot. other cheats i don't care as much because my skill could still beat them.

    the sad thing however is i gotten so good at counter strike that the servers with noob admins thought i cheated and banned me.

    also in starcraft don't care about cheaters except for the ones that drop hack when they are about to lose. It is like come on, you cheated and still lost so you decide to drop the person to win?
     
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    If someone installs a K&N air filter/intake in their new Impreza should Subaru be able to block it and shutter K&N and every other aftermarket part seller?
     
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  23. Lakados

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    Hell yeah that is way better.... The fuck was I thinking
     
  24. Richard R

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    Find the hooks used by this cheat and see what you can do to block it. Code injection is a long standing attack method that developers always need to be cognizant of.

    The code I develop for the company that I work for, even though it's 100% internal, has to defend, to the best of our abilities, against CIs. When something happens, it is expected, and indeed it's part of our job, to ensure that what happened cannot happen again.

    Find the vector, determine the least impactful solution, implement the patch, QA the he!! out of it, then patch the clients. (Requiring the clients to be running the patched version during the handshake. Solved.

    (Ban the user, of course)
     
  25. NeghVar

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    Just ban the bastard. Costs less for both sides.
     
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    It's not like he can buy another copy of the game, use a free email and create a new user, and keep doing the same thing.

    Oh wait, that's exactly what he'd do.
     
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    Wasn't there a game that did just that? If it detected that you were cheating, it would direct you to a server where only cheaters were logged in? Unannounced to the cheaters.
     
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    Might have been Dark Souls 2, IIRC. Not sure about the other Dark Souls games.

     
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    Good question and that is why I have my IP attorneys deal with the situation concerning "MY" IP''s and my IP's only so that is how I phrased it accordingly. My IP's are unique enough to go after anyone who tries to exploit it.

    To answer your question about the K/N Knockoffs is up to that corporation Subaru on what to do and there are also laws here in the US that does cover after market products can be. You just can't claim that the after market Air Filter is and authentic Subaru Air Filter (unless you have a license to have the ability to put a brand name logo on it) ,but you can claim that the Air Cleaner will work in a Subaru vehicle.... See the difference.

    But we do have a serious situation going on with Amazon and knockoffs being created by China as well as other parts of the world that Ignore IP rights. I mean you can in China Buy a Land Rover knock off called the Land Wind. It is a direct rip off and when they Land Rover tried to fight them in court. heh heh heh....

    http://www.managingip.com/Article/3...ctice-through-the-Jaguar-Land-Rover-case.html


    The world of Intellectual Property rights will make your head explode. Always get professional legal advice when delving into creating and protecting your content. Actually Always GET legal advice when delving in business in general... we have too many Internet "Perry Masons" giving out wrong advice.
     
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    That's AMAZING. They should have a view room for that server! Hilarious.
     
  31. scojer

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    Mods require the original game and are free.

    If you want to play said mod you'll buy the game then download the mod for free.

    Cheaters on the other hand that sell their cheats are selling a product making money off of someone else's product.

    It'd be like making your own DVD cases for popular films and selling the cases.