Engadget: Apple finally reveals the new Mac Pro

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  1. aokman

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    That is just the base machine, Promise is making an expansion unit for the Mac Pro for spinners and NVMe. Then there is the thunderbolt expansion.
     
  2. Nobu

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    And networked storage.
     
  3. IdiotInCharge

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    You can record in-camera if you want, and you can record externally.

    And even then, these formats are designed to be efficient from the camera more so than for editors. Further, Apple is likely to support all major formats. Doing a RAW transcode by itself isn't as nearly as intensive as just shuttling the data around.

    The fastest GPUs on the market today cannot do what Apple is doing with the Afterburner AIC. That is not to say that they couldn't- the software support isn't really there, and the hardware is not likely to be as suitable for the purpose, as useful as they are for performing all kinds of adjacent work.

    There's nothing 2014 about 3x 8K streams without dropping frames.

    Given the limited internal storage available and the connectivity on hand, Apple does appear to be expecting users to be utilizing NAS devices.


    I'm as critical as the next enthusiast about Apple hardware- I own zero Apple products- but I do respect them. They make excellent appliances that are tuned for the end-user.

    I recommend them regularly for people who want the hardware and software to get out of the way so they can get work done.
     
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    $999 monitor stand .... yikes.
     
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    I foresee that being a meme for a LONG time.
     
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  7. Retronym

    Retronym Something big is coming.

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    When you are as big as Apple, you have economies of scale that no one can compe....whaaaaaaaat? $1000 piece of metal stand? Is it Tungsten?
     
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    Unobtanium probably.
     
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    apple creating the future with unobtanium TM
     
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    Well... To me this is the ugliest computer in the history of humanity... But that is a taste issue so that said, its a real work station/ work horse, and the afterburner card reads truly incredible.
    So yeah on this one merits a way to go Apple. Way to go.
    I agree with many here, it will sell, it will sell a lot. The trash can was a mistake, it always was.. even more as they left it the same for a long time with the same price.
     
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    I see they have put handles back on it to make it easier to throw into the skip...... ;)
     
  12. IdiotInCharge

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    It's that they left it alone, unrefined. Consider that they could go up to at least 18 cores Intel / probably more AMD, dual Radeons, and the Afterburner card in one if they did a modernized take. The only real challenge is that they can already pretty well do that with their Imac Pro, and there's not much reason to step up from one of those unless you're getting the broad flexibility and available brute horsepower of this new Mac Pro, so it really wouldn't have a spot in the lineup.
     
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    I like the case.

    In fact, I like it so much, it gives me hope for the future. A future about 7 years from now, when I can buy an old Mac Pro, gut it, and make a cool PC out of it.
     
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    What i wonder is if its too late for pro shops to go back to mac. back in 2015-2016ish I saw a few shops still trying to hang on with their ancient macs, buying cheese graters 2nd hand, until they just couldn't hang on anymore and switched entirely to PCs. (They were doing commercials and videos, filming, cg, compositing, etc.)

    This was just a couple shops so I have no idea on the rest of the industry, but i would guess the very high end of the market that the new mac pro is aimed at may simply have stopped using macs in their workflow years ago.
     
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    I just don't see it. Most OEM's like HP, Dell, etc, all now offer solutions that are superior and also offer same/next-day on-site warranty/repair options as well.

    The only places still buying Apple for a work environment are those basically buying the computers as office decoration for higher-end staffs and the big wigs that do nothing more than use Outlook but want the computer to 'look nice' for when VIP's are escorted past the front-office staffers.

    Apple still does have a few large contracts out there with fairly large numbers buying Mac Pro's, but I can't imagine these arrangements lasting forever given the current state of things.
     
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    ^ I don't imagine this Mac Pro is going to be much of a profit center for Apple relative to their iPhone profits. I think they're doing it more for vanity and tradition and halo effect. That doesn't mean the engineers tasked with creating it didn't take the job seriously though.

    There are tons of factors that go into the sales & marketing calculus that wouldn't be apparent to people outside of that sphere. Things like PR and brand damage of being perceived as abandoning one of their traditional market segments being more costly than the money they may lose sustaining a low volume halo product for another generation.
     
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    No one has a solution to compete with this Mac Pro, there isn't a PC on the planet that can do simultaneous 8K streams without proxy data. That is before we get to things like the 6K display that is going to be groundbreaking for budget minded people looking to break into high end workflows and proofing.
     
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    higher-end staffs and the big wigs that do nothing more than use Outlook but want the computer to 'look nice' for when VIP's are escorted past the front-office staffers.


    I see this at my office. Only people with Mac's are those exact people.
     
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    Fixed that for you.
     
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    I wonder how they can hate AMD, and simultaneously use AMD GPUs... Do they hate AMD more than Intel, but less than Nvidia?

    In any case, the price delta here isn't that big of a deal, and with the amount of offloading they're doing for parallel work, higher single-core performance in a Xeon might make sense. Thunderbolt connectivity probably factored in too.
     
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    They are locked into Intel with Thunderbolt and the Afterburner card which is just a commonly available Intel FPGA PCI-E card w/ Apple programming.
     
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    It is simple, Apple use Intel in their mobile laptops so they use them for desktops also. It is a hell of a lot of work to rework the kernel for AMD and fragments the OS which Apple will never do as they want to keep OSX lean and mean. There is also the thunderbolt issue which Apple are deeply invested in.

    Xeon has the name that many corporates want and only people on a budget buy AMD. People on a budget are not buying this Mac Pro.
     
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    https://www.cinegy.com/50-daniel2/256-a-new-macpro-or-a-better-codec
     
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    No Nvidia: no machine learning workflows. These boxes are only for people who do video editing and little else.
     
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    They will support anything up to Titan Xp or 1080ti.
     
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    Yeah, that's because this new Mac Pro is using parts that aren't even on the market yet.
     
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    Personally, I think the thing looks ugly as sin. Oh well, as long as it works well, I suppose it does not matter.
     
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    I would say they have given their only desktop solution is a workstation with a price point and configuration that would only be purchased by insane people or professionals and businesses.
     
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    Yeah, the thing looks like an old fashioned cheese grater that I would have used as a kid.
     
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    Sad part is that the phones and tablets are actually decent products for the money...
     
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    10G Base-T is much more usable on the desktop/laptop due to it's backwards compatibility with GB Ethernet.
     
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    Is that the market that was fine running a 6 years old workstation? Or has that market probably moved on in that time? I'm sure the 0.001% of the marked this will have will be thrilled with their purchase.
     
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    A couple comments to add to the price discussion.

    I don’t believe the afterburner card is included in the base price.

    The complaints about the price are totally justified imo. If you compare to the iMac Pro. If you build the iMac pro components it basically adds up to $5000, same as the iMac Pro.

    Another way to look at it - compare the Mac Pro to the iMac Pro.
    iMac Pro has same CPU, same RAM, 4x SSD, better GPU, and included a 5K display all for $1000 less.

    Personally the monitor is more appealing than the computer - there is no equivalent alternative from apple or anyone else.
     
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    So, you get close to zero flexibility and upgradeability for predictability. Fair enough, but that is a price to pay.

    Apple does deal with problems, by overcharging you for repairs.
     
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    Commit to moving 2 million units per year for the next five years and sure. It'll be folded instead of extruded, however, with a welded seam.
     
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    SFP+ can do anything 10G Base-T can do, you need it over copper, there are transceiver modules for 10, 5, 2.5, and 1 G speeds as well as modules for 1 to 10G over your choice of SM or MM fiber, the fiber itself rated for upwards of 40G and all of which is Plenum rated which makes it cheaper to retrofit into buildings in most places.
     
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    You mean to go with the legendary.. 10K DESK!!??
     
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    If I'm already using Cat6, why would I go with SPF+ and separate transceivers? I though I got rid of transceivers when I got rid of all that old 10mb ethernet stuff.

    Beside, if you connect your servers with SPF+ and your main switch goes down, I hope you have a spare SPF+ switch around.
    With 10G Base-T you could simply plug the cables into some spare 1GB ethernet ports and be back up & running until you can replace the 10GB switch.
    10G Base-T makes much more sense for smaller companies.
     
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