Engadget: Apple finally reveals the new Mac Pro

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  1. Snowdog

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    Only 3 fans for moar throttling on every component.
     
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    "Where's the monitor?"
    "It's right there, sir. You just can't see it because the bezel is so small."
    "Turn it around! We can't market something people can't see!"
     
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    They lost me as a potential buyer with a $5999 base price, and ugly design.

    Hell no.
     
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    I'm traditionally and lovingly an Apple basher, but that looks pretty damn cool to me. And I'm glad Apple isn't abandoning desktop computing and going 100% mobile like was speculated.
     
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    I want to sand it down with sandpaper.
     
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    The top end specs sound quite nice, but I can only imagine what kind of price....

    And $6000 for a base model? And that is with a 8 core Xeon. Insane.
     
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    From the Anandtech live feed:

    02:23PM EDT - New graphics card design

    02:23PM EDT - But based around PCIe x16

    02:24PM EDT - Once again using AMD GPUs

    02:41PM EDT - Starting config: 8 core CPU, 32GB memory, Radeon Pro 580X, 256GB SSD

    02:41PM EDT - Starting at $5999

    So stuck with weird proprietary over priced AMD only GPUs, again...

    Stuck with a monitor that's none reusabble, again...

    I'm just trying to think what kind of a Window$ beast I could make for $6000, especially now with Ryzen 2...
     
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    WOOOFFF that thing is UGLY.

    apple might be headed for another 1995 - 2005 dark times.
     
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    Apple is more about portable devices than workstations.
     
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    The expansion is impressive. However.....2 USB ports and 2 Thunderbolt ports? The 2 TB ports are ok....but 2 USB ports is ridiculous. I hope the 3.5mm jack is at least a dual purpose mini-SPDIF optical out as well like on the Mac Mini.

    This is still the most elegant computer Apple has ever made:

    Apple_MA970LL_A_Mac_Pro_Desktop_Computer_539244.jpg
     
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    They made a RISCy move during those years.
     
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    I appreciate the honeycomb ascetic my only issue is they are putting in desktop hardware and charging workstation prices.
     
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    I guess you can do what Macbook users presumably do and buy a hub?

    Meanwhile my Optiplex is rocking 10 USB ports, most of which are USB 3, and each of my monitors is a 4-port hub.

    I mean, I don't know what I would do with all those ports, but by gum I've got 'em!
     
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    Xeons and ECC are desktop HW? Both the monitor and Mac are beasts. Insanely expensive beasts for the 1% or businesses with deep HW budgets.
     
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    With most of my workflow going to AWS I don't see a need for the computer. But I could provide a home for that monitor. (y)

    I'd think the base hardware would be more useful with a Threadripper option.
     
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    Besides being esthetically pleasing, hexagonal vents are the most efficient aside from maybe one big hole. That said, I think those are circular holes, and being two layers, I'm not sure how well it'd stack up. I'd guess worse.
     
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    But can it run Crysis?
     
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    At least it looks like users won't have to put a desk fan in the ashtray to keep it from overheating during sustained work loads. I'm glad to see them move back to a slightly more practical design.

    The Pro 580x is a pretty meh choice for $6k. They should have at least used the Vega 48 from the iMac.
     
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    What's the efficiency increase over other holes. 0.01%, 0.08%, 23.95%
    Let's not kid ourselves, it won't matter one iota in real world performance.
     
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    It looks like there is enough of a gap between layers that airflow shouldn’t be too impeded. It will certainly impede though.
     
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    only test I could find said ~1-2%, but it depends on the spacing and size of the holes. The larger the holes, the more wasted space between them, whereas a hexagon could butt right up against six other hexagons. iirc airflow characteristics are better too, but that might just be marketing material I'm remembering.

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    77.4% vs 85.2% open area, based on 6mm holes with .25mm between (6.5mm center to center). Calc from here
     
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    That $1000 for the monitor stand is a bit of a head scratcher, but then I'm not in the target market.
     
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    Looks freaking awesome! I think I can only afford the monitor though
     
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    I can understand the price of the monitor (assuming the marketing claims are true), but that price of the stand makes you wonder if some of the executives at Apple have lost touch with the value of money.
     
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    When you factor in the build materials and design, its justifying its price. People need to stop comparing these systems to consumer grade shit. The iMac was flouted as overpriced but ended up being cheaper than its competitors if you spec them equivalently.

    Xeon chips are not cheap people.
     
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    The stand is what he is specifically addressing and it does seem open to tons of ridicule.

    Unless there is some mistake it's a $5000 monitor with no stand. Stand sold separately for $1000... Wait what?!

    Apparently there were reactions in the audience, ranging from gasps to laughs when that was announced.

    $5000 and they couldn't be bothered to included a basic stand, instead you have to pay $1000 for a freaking monitor stand.
     
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    Stands are not cheap people.

    sorry, couldn't resist.:joyful:
     
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    So buy an ugly $100 crappy VESA arm. People seem to have no problems spending $1000 on stainless steel furniture.

    The build materials they are using aint cheap.
     
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    As a stainless steel metal shop owner I am proud to make $1000 desks. That stand for $999 though is making me wonder if I'm in the wrong business. XD
     
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    Well if you can do it for half the price, undercut Apple and corner the market :) I am betting it aint that easy for a niche market.

    As someone who has had a 27” cinema display for like 8 years, I am going to fold like a deck of cards and get one :ROFLMAO:
     
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    True, then you only need the $250 Vesa adaptor. :)

    Is it made out of Titanium?

    Why couldn't they include a basic no adjustment bent aluminum stand like they have on iMacs. Probably not $20 worth of Aluminum.

    Instead no stand at all, and the only option they have is $1000. I have no problem with silly priced options, but a stand is kind of a necessary thing for a monitor.
     
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    This thing is ridiculous. 1.5Tb of ram?
     
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    They probably assume the people who would buy these (professional media editors, etc) would already own a very nice, fully adjustable stand, so they don't get neck cramps or other injuries while sitting at their workstation for hours on end. For everyone else, you can of course get their $1000 stand, or go get your own.
     
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    Who wants to drop a tonne of coin on PCIe gen 3? Single Socket... etc etc.

    4 slot cooler though.

    At least it has DDR 4. Welcome to 2014.
     
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    The display is not even remotely comparable to anything else on the market. First 6K display, the mounting system is magnetic with automatic locking latches. You do realise you don’t even have to buy the monitor yeah? ;)

    Hey you wanted RAM, everyone bitched about the 16GB in the Macbook Pro... you got it :ROFLMAO:
     
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