ENERMAX LIQTECH TR4 AIO Liquid CPU Coolers Review

Discussion in 'Overclocking & Cooling' started by Kyle_Bennett, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. Jerky_san

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    Can you please get your support people working tickets? My ticket has been out there for over two days now and not been even assigned to someone.
     
  2. JustLong

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    Well I'm now at 100% failure rate for the three I originally purchased.
    1 leaked in the box
    2 failed this week with temps nearing 100c under load. Starting the RMA process tonight on these.

    At least I've had zero equipment loss, just lost productivity.
     
  3. notarat

    notarat [H]ard|Gawd

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    I dunno man...seems like you could maybe find a way to combine it with a gaming chair review...

    This chair isn't, say, as comfortable as the Hero or Icon, but the off-center swivel and hole in the seat let's us poop on the LiqTech TR4...
     
  4. cyberguyz

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    Thought a quick update is in order... Over the last week or so my Liqtech 360 TR4 AIO finally started showing the decline in performance as others noted in this thread as well. My idle temps were hovering around 54c as opposed to the 29-31c that they were at when it was installed. As I was pretty much expecting this I have replaced it with a custom loop built from parts I collected over the past 5 months. Rather than RMA it (I really don't want another), I will at some point tear the AIO down and see what happened. I am expecting results that have been shown in my earlier post (bio-schmoo & corrosion).

    At the end of the day I am not impressed that Enermax would put out a product that has a 6m-1yr usable life.

    On a positive note, the fans used with the AIO are actually very good and I have repurposed those for my custom loop.
     
  5. branana

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    I bought and used a Liqtech 2 240 for a bout a month. Initially it was great but I noticed my idles temps were higher about a month in and the CPU was reaching throttling temps quite easily. Easiet decision to return ever.

    Just going with air cooling now. Enermax is not worth the headache.
     
  6. Joust

    Joust [H]ard|Gawd

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    Ok. So. Other than obvious leaking or bad temps (neither of which do I have on my cooler) are there any other signs of premature failure? Anyone have pump noise or anyyhany like that?
     
  7. cyberguyz

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    Pump was relatively quiet at all times and according to the tach it always ran at full speed.
     
  8. jhsu

    jhsu n00bie

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    Oh man. Enermax was nice enough to replace my first one which showed signs of degrading, but the second one (liqtech II) is performing even worse.

    After a few months I am hitting tdie max temps (68C) with loads under 10%. The cpu is getting throttled to 3.1ghz.

    Does anybody consider replacing the fluid a good idea? Or should I ditch both units and get a completely different cooler?

    I wish there were a good way to salvage the parts, seems a waste. I know the fans are good to hold on to, but I don't know anything about using rads.
     
  9. branana

    branana Limp Gawd

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    Gamers Nexus did a fluid swap. If you flush it out and the pump didn't suffer permanent damage, you should be ok with proper fluid .
     
  10. jhsu

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    Yea, I was wondering if anyone else has tried it yet and what their results were.

    Any recommendations on coolant fluids?
     
  11. jhsu

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    You know, I bet it's something like the manufacturer of the blocks never got the memo that they had to clean the grease off and nobody caught it before it's out the front door, now they all have corrosion problems. Honestly they should be recalling these, they're like 90% defective.
     
  12. YellowApple

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    Man, I wish I had found this thread a few months ago when I built my fancy new Threadripper rig. Seemed to work fine up until my PC suddenly shut off last week when I was playing some Stellaris; turned it back on and it was idling in the 60°C's (only if I laid the machine on its side; when upright it'd keep climbing toward 70°C), even with all fans on full throttle. Replaced the thermal grease last night to no avail.

    I was able to get free one-day shipping on a Noctua NH-U14S (like a couple of y'all switched to), and just finished installing it tonight. Haven't put it under any significant stress yet, but idle seems to hover around 18-20°C with occasional spikes into the 25-30°C range, which is a significant improvement. It's big (had to shift my GPU down a slot, the fan covers one of the RAM slots that I'm thankfully not using yet, and it's just barely tall enough for it to not quite fit in the case with the door closed), but it seems to be doing the job. Funny how half the reviews on Amazon for the Noctua seem to be from people burned by this Enermax AIO.

    Not sure what I'm gonna do with this Enermax one. Sounds like an RMA ain't worth the hassle. If it ain't too damaged at this point, maybe I'll clean it out and pop in some better fluid, but I think from now on I'll stick to a good ol' heatsink and fan.
     
  13. Axdrenalin

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    After reading the [H]ard review and doing some research on my own, I picked up a LIQTECH TR4 360 about 8 -10 months ago to put on my 1950X when I built it. So far it seems to be doing okay and I've not had any real issues (SO FAR!), but I'm really wanting to know if there is a way that I can cross reference the serial number on my unit to find out if it's among the potentially defective units that were shipped out. Does anyone have some linkage or information available like this? Just my luck I'm going to get comfortable with this cooler and then it'll shower my rig and destroy the MB or something.
     
  14. branana

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    According to the Enermax USA rep in this very thread, all first gen units are affected.
     
  15. doyll

    doyll Kyle's Thermocouple is HOT

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    Haven't some of the 2nd gen units also suffered similar problems? Seems I remember some members here having their replacements go bad too.
     
  16. branana

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    Yes that's right. My fairly new stock liqtech 2 from December Amazon failed. I'm done with this this shit. Going custom loop.
     
  17. doyll

    doyll Kyle's Thermocouple is HOT

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    It's too bad they can't get their shit together. But it's a common problem with CLCs all being pretty much junk. There are a few AIOs that are much better like Swiftech H series, Alphacool Eisbaer, be quiet! Silent Loop (made by Alphacool), but they are still only marginally as good as a entry level custom loop .. but still not as good as custom loop components picked by a buyer with basic knowledge about which custom loop component makes are good and which are not.
     
  18. branana

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    I'm not looking for break neck performance .All I needed was a full coverage 240 cooling solution that is similar to a u14s without the clearance issues. It literally just had to not leak and pump fail.


    Enermax couldn't even deliver that. My raystorn neo TR4 is in the mail.
     
  19. Vengance_01

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    My Corsair H50 is going on 6-7 years now with 2500K and it still works.
     
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  20. doyll

    doyll Kyle's Thermocouple is HOT

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    Yeah, the H50 is one that seems to have a much longer life than most others. There is also a direct correlation between life and how much heat the CLC has to dissipate .. the more heat / higher the temps are the shorter the CLC life with many users pushing high overclocks meaning making lots of heat only getting 1-2 year life expectancy.
     
  21. Vengance_01

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    4.3ghz 24/7 since day one
     
  22. CAD4466HK

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    My H70 has been cooling my 2600K @ 4.4GHz-4.8GHz since 2011 with no issues. Same for my H60Gen1 on my PII 975 BE @ 4.0GHz, which is at 100% CPU usage 80% of the time.

    Guess we are outside the norm???? Gotta bunch in the field as well and never seen a failure...yet.
     
  23. Joust

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    I have the Enermax 360 on the 1950x. It cools pretty well, I'm just not so keen on waiting for the failure.
     
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  24. doyll

    doyll Kyle's Thermocouple is HOT

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    What are yoru typical CPU temps?

    What are your temps?
    Yeah, not the norm, but if all failed nobody would be buying them anymore.

    Yeah. I know what you mean. I'm running a Silent Loop 280mm and have been for almost 2 years now. But I did service it with a flush and coolant replacement at about a year and am about to do it again. Seems most failures with CLCs are the result of low coolant or junk in pump. Same with these Enermax failures.
     
  25. CAD4466HK

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    On the 2600K @ 4.4-4.5, 72F ambient I see 24c idle (heat soaked) and low to mid 60's in games. P95 (26.6) is around 75c for my hottest core.
    4.8GHz I see 33c idle and around low to mid 70's in games. P95 is around low 90's. All in a HAF-932.

    On the PII 975 @ 4.0GHz, idle is 34c and 55c encoding with Handbrake for at least 10-12hrs a day. All in a Black Hawk Ultra.
     
  26. Joust

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    I actually think I'm going to flush and replace mine with some decent coolant.
     
  27. Joust

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    On this note: anyone have a suggestion for coolant?
     
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  29. doyll

    doyll Kyle's Thermocouple is HOT

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    So kinda warm but not extreme 60s-75c max, 90s are getting hot, and just nice and warm at 55c.
    Is it safe to assume radiator is mounted in top of case above CPU waterblock/pump? That means as coolant levels go down all the air stays in radiator so less chance of damaging pump. Probably the most common reason for pumps failing is low coolant level with air getting into pump, pump overheating and failing.
     
  30. CAD4466HK

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    Both rads are mounted at the rear exhaust and are configured for intake. Both rads are level with the pump head.
     
  31. doyll

    doyll Kyle's Thermocouple is HOT

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    So both radiators have their hoses into top, side or bottom of radiator?
     
  32. CAD4466HK

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    Bottom.
     
  33. doyll

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    So air in system is trapped at top of radiator and does not create bubbles that could get into pump and cause problems. At least that's the theory. ;)
     
  34. CAD4466HK

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    Theory or not, they both fit my needs well and I will continue running them until they don't, than I will just replace them with a newer model. But I think I've gotten my money's worth out of them and then some. :)
     
  35. Joust

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    Anyone know which side is intake on the cooler? I'm going to flush the coolant, refill, and add a reservoir - since I cannot mount this ideally. Also - anyone have a source for matching tubing? Or know what the ID of the tubing is?
     
  36. Axdrenalin

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    Same here.... What direction are you inclined to take?

    EDIT - Nevermind...I kept reading through after posting.
     
  37. java4ever

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    I'm furious!
    I've got a replacement LiqTech TR4 II - and it's failing again!!
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    This is what happens after 2min of P95. Fans on 100%, case is defo ventilated sufficiently.
    What the hell, Enermax?
     
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    Is p95 FFT supposed to not reach thermal throttling on TR? I think a sure sign of failure would be if your idling temps are 10C or more above ambient.
     
  39. java4ever

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    The LiqTech TR4 claims to support a TDP of 500W+, so I expect the CPU to NOT throttle to 140W...

    When I got the unit, it worked like a charm and kept the TR at ~60° at 180W.
    Idling temps are...
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    Ambient temp in my room is around 24°C

    Fans are at 1200-1400RPM...