Encrypt and Lock Your Phone - Go to Jail

No, I don't trust electronic banking apps.

No, never used ebay. Never sold any piece of my own property before anywhere.

I get my taxes done by a professional.

I already listed above what I use my phone for. Calling/messaging friends and family, playing games, and browsing general websites. I guess I use my phone for a lot less than the average person but so what?
Careful with #3.
 
That was an example, not subject to fit your life.

I mean, I get that it was just a general example. But I just cannot possibly fathom anything on my phone being of any use to anyone other than maybe advertisers.

The only most private information on there would be text conversations but they are utterly boring subjects about random internet memes and talking about sports or technology and stuff like that. Plus I delete them all every couple days anyways just out of habit to keep things tidy.
 
I'm confused.

People here are saying don't give the cops your information, but the headline here is a guy who didn't give them information is now in jail for 180 days.

Why are you so sure that had he given up his passcode that he would be even worse off?


I know what's on my phone and I have absolutely nothing to hide. I guess I am a completely boring and straight edged citizen but so what?


If you say the burden of proof is on them to prove you did the crime then why do people provide alibis?
Alibis are generally given during the discovery phase of an investigation. An alibi isn't an excuse or admission of guilt, it's just the word used for an explanation of where you were at the time of a criminal act. For some reason it has developed that connotation over the years. Probably because of TV.
No, I don't trust electronic banking apps.

No, never used ebay. Never sold any piece of my own property before anywhere.

I get my taxes done by a professional.

I already listed above what I use my phone for. Calling/messaging friends and family, playing games, and browsing general websites. I guess I use my phone for a lot less than the average person but so what?
It was an example. The point is, given lack of precedence, the prosecution and/or police will try to find anything at all that they could use against you. You may not think you have anything incriminating on your phone, but anyone trying to find your guilt is going to latch onto anything and twist it for their purpose.
 
I mean, I get that it was just a general example. But I just cannot possibly fathom anything on my phone being of any use to anyone other than maybe advertisers.

The only most private information on there would be text conversations but they are utterly boring subjects about random internet memes and talking about sports or technology and stuff like that. Plus I delete them all every couple days anyways to keep things tidy.

Even something as simple as that.

"you see how he constantly deletes his history and conversations?"

"he seems to find memes about hurting people funny"

"his location history puts him near the scene of the crime hours before it happened"

Little shit like that stacks up and starts to make a mess of things even if you didn't have anythign to do with it. It is how innocent people get put in jail for crimes they didn't commit. It isn't proof but it can start to build character profile or motive.
 
Agreed. No matter what the police try to charge you with, always exercise your right to silence and an attorney first and foremost. From the moments leading to an arrest, the police have already been building a case against you because the burden of proof rests on them. The police are not your friends in this situation.

This. The local paper did a series on the investigation into a local cop accused of taking sexual advantage of folks he was stopping. The cop was found guilty on some of the charges and is now in jail. The lead detective said the worst mistake people make is talking to the police BEFORE contacting an attorney. The cop under investigation did talk without an attorney present since the investigators took efforts to minimize the serious nature of the 'discussions' they were having.


One thing not addressed that I can see is if you DO provide an unlock code after consulting an attorney, what is to keep the LEOs from deliberately entering the wrong code until the device locks or self wipes, then claiming you mislead them? They might be motivated to do that if the case against you is weak or non-existent and they just want to put you in jail.
 
Agreed. No matter what the police try to charge you with, always exercise your right to silence and an attorney first and foremost. From the moments leading to an arrest, the police have already been building a case against you because the burden of proof rests on them. The police are not your friends in this situation.

The police do not charge you with anything, they just arrest you and gather evidence, they have a set period of time in which to decide if they are going to "Book You". If they do book you, the Prosecutor's Office charges you or releases you, the lawyers for the government are the ones who do the charging and decide what charges will be filed. If the Prosecutor's Office Charges you, you will be arraigned, it's a simple process, Guilty or Not Guilty, and possibly "No Contest". It is during the arraignment process that bail is offered or denied and a trial date is determined.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/chronology-the-arrest-process.html

The cops do not charge you, the lawyers for the government do.
 
Even something as simple as that.

"you see how he constantly deletes his history and conversations?"

"he seems to find memes about hurting people funny"

"his location history puts him near the scene of the crime hours before it happened"

Little shit like that stacks up and starts to make a mess of things even if you didn't have anythign to do with it. It is how innocent people get put in jail for crimes they didn't commit. It isn't proof but it can start to build character profile or motive.

You really think that that little stuff would add up and become more of a problem than doing the 180 days in jail? I just don't see it personally and my choice would still be to comply in that case given those outcomes. I doubt I would survive in jail so I'd take my chances with my phone info.
 
When innocent you don't need to hide anything. Simple as that. How can they land me in jail when I haven't committed any crime?

Refusing to show your phone when accused of a serious crime is 99,9% proof of guilt.


"Give me six lines, written by the most honest of men, and i will find reason to hang them." - Cardinal Richelieu
 
I dont care if they did. You cant prove that I am intentionally giving you the wrong code. You cant force me to admit to something and the burden of proof is on the state to prove it. A contempt charge is the worst they can do to you for this. 180 days in jail is excessive for contempt of court and I bet this will be a bad move for the judge...180 days is the MAX they can give you for contempt of court I believe. Prove that I do remember...you cant. I swear under oath I forgot you have to come up with proof otherwise.

180 days IS excessive. Again, if I was the judge, and he swore under oath he didn't remember, then they should have let him go, after he gave them a long list of potential pass codes, not locked him up.


The other example they used in the article, is a guy was in jail for 10 months and didn't have his device, so he claimed he forgot his pass code. The judge did not hold that suspect in contempt, as 10 months is quite a bit of time to remember a pass code.

The initial suspect was arrested in March, maybe that is why the judge is being more harsh on him.
 
The police do not charge you with anything, they just arrest you and gather evidence, they have a set period of time in which to decide if they are going to "Book You". If they do book you, the Prosecutor's Office charges you or releases you, the lawyers for the government are the ones who do the charging and decide what charges will be filed. If the Prosecutor's Office Charges you, you will be arraigned, it's a simple process, Guilty or Not Guilty, and possibly "No Contest". It is during the arraignment process that bail is offered or denied and a trial date is determined.

http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-procedure/chronology-the-arrest-process.html

The cops do not charge you, the lawyers for the government do.
You're technically correct (the best kind of correct).
 
You really think that that little stuff would add up and become more of a problem than doing the 180 days in jail? I just don't see it personally and my choice would still be to comply in that case given those outcomes. I doubt I would survive in jail so I'd take my chances with my phone info.

Honestly, yes I do. Because if you were arrested and they are charging you, they already believe you did it, either because you were involved, or were in the wrong place at the wrong time etc etc. Now they are just collecting information to prove you did so they will take anything they can to the courtroom. Basically if the prosecutors are wanting your phone, they are looking for things that harm you, not help you.

The best bet really is to just deal with your attorney even if just the court appointed one but do nothing without them.
 
No, I don't trust electronic banking apps.

No, never used ebay. Never sold any piece of my own property before anywhere.

I get my taxes done by a professional.

I already listed above what I use my phone for. Calling/messaging friends and family, playing games, and browsing general websites. I guess I use my phone for a lot less than the average person but so what?

We get it you're the Mother Theresa and are also better than everybody else.

Now you can drive your Prius and have an Organic latte at starbucks.
 
My mom will second that, she's a retired officer and even she will tell you never talk to the cops without a lawyer. Anything you say or do CAN be used against you in the court of law.

Also they will have a team reviewing every word you say! You need to have your own team(Your attorneys) looking out for you and everything you say very carefully.

I have personally been involved with more than one investigation and forensics of systems dating back many years. I know of three different occasions in which I was personally involved that porn, abuse, pimping was accused of. The people gave up their data on laptops, and then they didn't find anything of what they were accused of, but they found financial type crimes on them and they were charged with those.
 
Check this out:


Part 2 of this video is quite good as well.

Also, with regard to the topic, isn't providing someone with the unlock code the same as consenting to search of private property? What difference does it make if it's your home, your car, or your phone?
 
(...) Plus I delete them all every couple days anyways just out of habit to keep things tidy.

:LOL::LOL: deleted! :LOL::LOL: Those texts aren't deleted, my friend. Setting aside the service provider(s)'s copy, the data is easily accessible on your phone for months using forensic software. When I was helping my gf through her digital forensics class, we recovered tons of deleted texts (including unsent drafts!), images and call logs going back weeks on clones of actual devices used in criminal cases.
 
Honestly, yes I do. Because if you were arrested and they are charging you, they already believe you did it, either because you were involved, or were in the wrong place at the wrong time etc etc. Now they are just collecting information to prove you did so they will take anything they can to the courtroom. Basically if the prosecutors are wanting your phone, they are looking for things that harm you, not help you.

The best bet really is to just deal with your attorney even if just the court appointed one but do nothing without them.

I know that they would be looking for things that harm you, but if it were in the case of a child porn accusation, there is a much greater chance of my clean phone data exonerating me than some random geolocation data or something incriminating me further. Enough of a chance that I would rather take that chance then go to jail for 180 days.

We get it you're the Mother Theresa and are also better than everybody else.

Now you can drive your Prius and have an Organic latte at starbucks.

This seems uncalled for and I'm not sure where you are even getting it from.

Being completely honest, all that stuff is way to interesting for a plain, boring robot person like me who essentially gets off on following the rules. There's just something about structure and order that I love.
 
How twisted are you to take the side of a child molester, anyway?

Hey man, you know that in this case here, the guy isn't being charged with child molestation, they say he beat his kid.

What I don't know is why they think he has pictures of it on his phone. What evidence did the cops find via "hopefully lawful search", that they think he has pictures that prove he beat his kid, on his phone?

Anyone thinking this through? A judge it seems, believes this enough to order the man to give up his password. Is there forensic evidence or testimony that he's been beating the kid and taking pictures or making videos of it?

Usually a Judge will not issue a demand like this without reasonable justification.

I did what digging came easy;

Detectives believe that his phone contains images of repeated injuries to the child, which could prove evidence in the case.

The Washington post says the phone is an Android device and not an iPhone;
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/31/christopher-wheeler-florida-man-jailed-for-refusin/
According to prosecutors, Mr. Wheeler’s daughter previously told investigators: “Daddy takes pictures of me all the time with his phone.”
 
:LOL::LOL: deleted! :LOL::LOL: Those texts aren't deleted, my friend. Setting aside the service provider(s)'s copy, the data is easily accessible on your phone for months using forensic software. When I was helping my gf through her digital forensics class, we recovered tons of deleted texts (including unsent drafts!), images and call logs going back weeks on clones of actual devices used in criminal cases.

I never said they were unrecoverable. I'm talking about iMessage though not SMS. I haven't used SMS in years. Sure, once they have my phone passcode it's possible to recover iMessages from the NAND. But again, these are boring conversations that they can feel free to read if they really want to waste their time. I am an open book anyways.

Why should I worry about my photos and messages when I have never taken a photo or written a message that I wouldn't have a problem with it being in the public domain?
 
So for those of you who claim you have nothing to hide. Have you never jokingly said something to someone that when taken serious or out of context would land you in hot water? No? Nothing? Ever?
 
This. The local paper did a series on the investigation into a local cop accused of taking sexual advantage of folks he was stopping. The cop was found guilty on some of the charges and is now in jail. The lead detective said the worst mistake people make is talking to the police BEFORE contacting an attorney. The cop under investigation did talk without an attorney present since the investigators took efforts to minimize the serious nature of the 'discussions' they were having.


One thing not addressed that I can see is if you DO provide an unlock code after consulting an attorney, what is to keep the LEOs from deliberately entering the wrong code until the device locks or self wipes, then claiming you mislead them? They might be motivated to do that if the case against you is weak or non-existent and they just want to put you in jail.

If the case against you is weak or non-existant, no judge should be ordering you to unlock your phone.
 
No, I don't trust electronic banking apps.

No, never used ebay. Never sold any piece of my own property before anywhere.

I get my taxes done by a professional.

I already listed above what I use my phone for. Calling/messaging friends and family, playing games, and browsing general websites. I guess I use my phone for a lot less than the average person but so what?

So none of your friends or family are invovled in any crimes? Not that you know of I am sure. But you cant guarantee that. Here is a simple example:

Friend A and you text all the time
You talk with Friend A and make jokes privately about stupid shit - some of which would be illegal (like maybe growing drugs etc - varies based on state)
Unbeknownst to you friend A does one of those things...
Cops erroneously charge you with a crime (totally unrelated to jokes)
You are innocent so you say "here my phone proves I didnt do it."
Cops look through your phone and see jokes - dont know they are jokes.
You protest they are just jokes. Cops dont buy it.
Cops charge you with a crime related to jokes even though you didnt do it they have enough "proof" to get you charged.
You are now in jail for just being innocent and trying to help.
Have fun at your trial trying to prove innocence. You gave the state "evidence" that they wouldnt have been able to get without a warrant which they wouldnt get with no evidence of the original "crime".
 
So for those of you who claim you have nothing to hide. Have you never jokingly said something to someone that when taken serious or out of context would land you in hot water? No? Nothing? Ever?

At least not that I can think of. I don't really like jokes. I don't even use profanity or sarcasm mainly because I just don't like profanity and don't see the point in using it and I usually miss sarcasm entirely. Not sure if that helps paint an accurate picture of me or not.
 
I know that they would be looking for things that harm you, but if it were in the case of a child porn accusation, there is a much greater chance of my clean phone data exonerating me than some random geolocation data or something incriminating me further. Enough of a chance that I would rather take that chance then go to jail for 180 days.

That may or may not be true. If you want to use child porn as why you were arrested then lets go that way, although the article is about abuse. How were you found so far? They arrested you which means either they have logs that point to you that shows you were distributing the material or downloading it. You are completely innocent though. But whoever was actually doing it was using your hardware either with or without your knowledge. When you hand over your phone this is when they learn your phone was used to download the porn. You claim to have no idea why it's there but the logs match what they had. This is now become enough evidence to go to court with. You might have gotten a deeper investigation had you refused to just hand over your phone, and then they may have found out that it was your neighbor piggybacking off your network that downloaded the porn. The point of prosecution is to do it quickly.

Innocent people go to jail all the time because the investigation isn't thorough enough, don't think because you did nothing wrong that you can't be charged with the crime. Like I said, don't talk to the police, don't give anything to them, let the lawyer do the work for you so you don't end up building a case against you unknowingly.
 
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So none of your friends or family are invovled in any crimes? Not that you know of I am sure. But you cant guarantee that. Here is a simple example:

Friend A and you text all the time
You talk with Friend A and make jokes privately about stupid shit - some of which would be illegal (like maybe growing drugs etc - varies based on state)
Unbeknownst to you friend A does one of those things...
Cops erroneously charge you with a crime (totally unrelated to jokes)
You are innocent so you say "here my phone proves I didnt do it."
Cops look through your phone and see jokes - dont know they are jokes.
You protest they are just jokes. Cops dont buy it.
Cops charge you with a crime related to jokes even though you didnt do it they have enough "proof" to get you charged.
You are now in jail for just being innocent and trying to help.
Have fun at your trial trying to prove innocence. You gave the state "evidence" that they wouldnt have been able to get without a warrant which they wouldnt get with no evidence of the original "crime".

It's fine as another example, but personally I can't recall ever having any joking conversation about anything illegal like that before.


I've had this sort of conversation before and I can tell where it's headed. People start putting words in my mouth about me being somehow better than them and then nobody believes that I'm telling the truth but I just don't know what else to say. People will either believe me or they won't.

I can at least see it from your point of view that maybe there is a weird conversation somewhere, but it would have to be something that I can't see being interpreted as illegal in any way. But maybe I am just not good at seeing how it can be interpreted other ways. Most of my conversations are about computer programming and math and physics and space and the universe and stuff like that. All nerdy and geeky stuff. Other than that it's normal day-to-day conversations with my family members about what's going on and nobody's ever done anything illegal.
 
I know that they would be looking for things that harm you, but if it were in the case of a child porn accusation, there is a much greater chance of my clean phone data exonerating me than some random geolocation data or something incriminating me further. Enough of a chance that I would rather take that chance then go to jail for 180 days.



This seems uncalled for and I'm not sure where you are even getting it from.

Being completely honest, all that stuff is way to interesting for a plain, boring robot person like me who essentially gets off on following the rules. There's just something about structure and order that I love.

Sir Master has a point. But to me, it's a slim one.

No Judge should be issuing an order to search a phone, or unlock a phone for search without reasonable cause. It shouldn't be a fishing trip, he should have some reason, as in the case, testimony, that relevant evidence may exist.

So in my thinking, there already must exist evidence of the crime pointing to the phone. The child pornography dude last year, they had forensic evidence saying the kiddie porn files were copied to the phone. In this case the little girl that was beaten told the cops that her Dad often takes pictures of her. Looks like they are hoping that some of the photos show similar bruising and cuts on the kid that would substantiate the more serious charges.

So I can see that SirMaster would hope that an absence of evidence would exonerate him of guilt, it's really just a lake of additional evidence and not proof of innocence so I'm not so sure it's a great idea. Then again, in a trial case, it's juries that decide guilt, not cops and Judges. It could be enough to sway a jury. But I would hope that absent strong evidence pointing to more evidence on the phone, that a Judge would not order it unlocked. The question is, is this little girl's claim that daddy always takes pictures of her enough for the Judge to allow the cops to look through his phone for pictures, it seems so in this case.

I am thinking that if a doctor had looked over this girl and reported that she had been injured repeatedly over the years in a manner consistent with physical abuse, yes, I'd order that phone unlocked. Without something like that, probably not.
 
That may or may not be true. If you want to use child porn as why you were arrested then lets go that way, although the article is about abuse. How were you found so far? They arrested you which means either they have logs that point to you that shows you were distributing the material or downloading it. You are completely innocent though. But whoever was actually doing it was using your hardware either with or without your knowledge. When you hand over your phone this is when they learn your phone was used to download the porn. You claim to have no idea why it's there but the logs match what they had. This is now become enough evidence to go to court with. You might have gotten a deeper investigation had you refused to just hand over your phone, and then they may have found out that it was your neighbor piggybacking off your network that downloaded the porn. The point of prosecution is to do it quickly.

Innocent people go to jail all the time because the investigation isn't thorough enough, don't think because you did nothing wrong that you can't be charged with the crime. Like I said, don't talk to the police, don't give anything to them, let the lawyer do the work for you so you don't end up building a case against you unknowingly.

Yes you do make a good point that I can see here. It can definitely depend on why you are in the situation you are in so far. Like what evidence they have on you that got you in this position so far.

If you are in doubt at all about the prior security or possibility of unauthorized use of your phone or your network then you should probably not give up the passcode.
 
When innocent you don't need to hide anything. Simple as that. How can they land me in jail when I haven't committed any crime?

Refusing to show your phone when accused of a serious crime is 99,9% proof of guilt.

WRONG.

Refusing to grant access to a private device to authorities is an exercise of rights, not an admission of guilt.

You have a right to privacy until the courts say otherwise. You have no legal or moral obligation to say a single word to an arresting officer. I don't traffic drugs, but I'm certainly not going to allow any passing officer to search my person or vehicle just because they are suspicious of me.
 
When innocent you don't need to hide anything. Simple as that. How can they land me in jail when I haven't committed any crime?

Refusing to show your phone when accused of a serious crime is 99,9% proof of guilt.

I can only hope your use of a comma instead of a period in "99,9%" means you are not a US citizen, because what you just said is as antithetical to the US Constitution as possible. Where are you from? Russia? :wtf:
 
It's fine as another example, but personally I can't recall ever having any joking conversation about anything illegal like that before.


I've had this sort of conversation before and I can tell where it's headed. People start putting words in my mouth about me being somehow better than them and then nobody believes that I'm telling the truth but I just don't know what else to say. People will either believe me or they won't.

I can at least see it from your point of view that maybe there is a weird conversation somewhere, but it would have to be something that I can't see being interpreted as illegal in any way. But maybe I am just not good at seeing how it can be interpreted other ways. Most of my conversations are about computer programming and math and physics and space and the universe and stuff like that. All nerdy and geeky stuff. Other than that it's normal day-to-day conversations with my family members about what's going on and nobody's ever done anything illegal.

I am not going to put any words in your mouth. I am taking your account of your life at face value and assume you are being honest.

My point boils down to: you dont know what the police will think of your data or what led them to you. Its FAR safer to have a lawyer involved and make them follow legal procedures than to risk anything like the scenarios that have been presented. Like you said you cant guess how they would interpret it, and neither can I. So we have to protect ourselves as best we can.

Ultimately that decision, and its associated risk, is totally up to you.
 
Sir Master has a point. But to me, it's a slim one.

No Judge should be issuing an order to search a phone, or unlock a phone for search without reasonable cause. It shouldn't be a fishing trip, he should have some reason, as in the case, testimony, that relevant evidence may exist.

So in my thinking, there already must exist evidence of the crime pointing to the phone. The child pornography dude last year, they had forensic evidence saying the kiddie porn files were copied to the phone. In this case the little girl that was beaten told the cops that her Dad often takes pictures of her. Looks like they are hoping that some of the photos show similar bruising and cuts on the kid that would substantiate the more serious charges.

So I can see that SirMaster would hope that an absence of evidence would exonerate him of guilt, it's really just a lake of additional evidence and not proof of innocence so I'm not so sure it's a great idea. Then again, in a trial case, it's juries that decide guilt, not cops and Judges. It could be enough to sway a jury. But I would hope that absent strong evidence pointing to more evidence on the phone, that a Judge would not order it unlocked. The question is, is this little girl's claim that daddy always takes pictures of her enough for the Judge to allow the cops to look through his phone for pictures, it seems so in this case.

I am thinking that if a doctor had looked over this girl and reported that she had been injured repeatedly over the years in a manner consistent with physical abuse, yes, I'd order that phone unlocked. Without something like that, probably not.

That was my thinking yes, if you are on trial for child porn on your phone, but you know that you have never had child porn on your phone and even a forensic scrub if your phone would show no child porn, then I would give up my passcode to prove that rather than go to jail for 180 days.
 
I am not going to put any words in your mouth. I am taking your account of your life at face value and assume you are being honest.

My point boils down to: you dont know what the police will think of your data or what led them to you. Its FAR safer to have a lawyer involved and make them follow legal procedures than to risk anything like the scenarios that have been presented. Like you said you cant guess how they would interpret it, and neither can I. So we have to protect ourselves as best we can.

Ultimately that decision, and its associated risk, is totally up to you.

Thanks. I often do feel like an outsider on planet earth but I do like these kinds of conversations and I feel like I learn a lot.

I've found that my personal method for conversing and learning is different from what most people would expect and it's why I often don't get anywhere. I've found that I generally have to keep asking questions and coming up with hypotheticals and examples until I finally see some explanation that makes sense to me and *clicks* my logic.

People often get the assumption that I am trolling them, but I genuinely just don't understand enough to stop and change my stance yet. Maybe I am just slow in some ways. I lost track of how many times people say "you are either trolling or must have aspergers", but yeah I find that offensive even though no doctor has ever diagnosed me with any such thing.

But back to your point, yes, I would definitely deal with a lawyer and if after I told them everything, they said not to give my passcode, then I wouldn't. They obviously know a lot more than me about how the system works.
 
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That was my thinking yes, if you are on trial for child porn on your phone, but you know that you have never had child porn on your phone and even a forensic scrub if your phone would show no child porn, then I would give up my passcode to prove that rather than go to jail for 180 days.
Are you saying that manufacturing and planting evidence never happens?
 
When innocent you don't need to hide anything. Simple as that. How can they land me in jail when I haven't committed any crime?

Refusing to show your phone when accused of a serious crime is 99,9% proof of guilt.

That is incredibly naive, and I would also say irresponsible to other people who are unfairly accused, because the idea of sovereignty of the individual is an ideal that everybody contributes to, and when you don't do your part, you're selling out other people's rights to dignity and presumption of innocence unless proven guilty. If you submit on the grounds that you're innocent and so have nothing to hide, and even worse, suggest that not submitting while innocent is a sign of actually being guilty, then you negate the premise that a person may not be treated as guilty without proper evidence, and are reversing the fundamental values of society to be 'guilty unless proven innocent' - in which case, you make the individual a slave to police, government, whoever chooses to accuse another person. And that opens the door to corruption by manipulation of others through false accusations. Your idea of 'if you have nothing to hide, then you'd show police everything' is a position that doesn't acknowledge that it is fundamental to respect individuals as equal, and would lead to the falling apart of many pillars of a free and positive society.

And your own judgment, that refusing to show one's private possessions and information when innocent equates to 99% chance of being guilty, proves how wrong your position is: You have deemed people guilty without evidence, and are passing judgment upon assumption and are being prejudice in ignoring that other people's stances might come from different beliefs than your own. The idea of 'if you have nothing to hide, you'd show up' is a tyranny, and it is only employed to override a person's judgment over themselves for the sake of manipulating them into doing what you want. Equality and rights of the individual do not exist in an atmosphere of 'if you were innocent, you'd show us'.

Standing up for your rights is a sign that you have rights to stand up for. In all honesty, your attitude is reckless, and harmful to positive societal values.
 
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A citizen should never be compelled to assist the State in their prosecution of him. The judge who issued the warrant and then subsequently demanded that he give his code, was over-reaching. Got a warrant? Okay, get the phone. Good luck with it.
 
Are you saying that manufacturing and planting evidence never happens?

I guess I don't know about that. Why would the police manufacture or plant fake evidence on a regular joe like me? I've had good relationships with the police all my life and I respect them greatly. I guess I just have had different experiences than others in my life which has shaped my view of the situation. I've never had any reason to feel paranoid about or angry at the police or anything like that.

But no, I cannot say that it never happens because I simply don't know.
 
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