Embargo date on Zen 3 reviews

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Do we have any idea when, or approx when AMD will lift the embargo on reviews for Zen 3? It is expected to be closer to the physical launch on Oct 20th, or shortly after / on the 8th?
 

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While I'd like to see them after the announcement on the 8th, I'm betting reviews will be on the 20th or at most a few days before the physical launch.
 

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I haven't heard anything yet on the actual embargo date. Of course, I'm unsure if I'm even getting samples of them this time around. We were sampled for Zen 2, so there is a good chance I'll get them. But I have no information at this time.
 

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While I'd like to see them after the announcement on the 8th, I'm betting reviews will be on the 20th or at most a few days before the physical launch.

From a marketing perspective, I guess it makes sense to hold off showing reviews for as late as possible. Although that could also speak volumes itself. If a product is so great, then you'd think you would want to hype it up like Ampere. AOTS benchmark doesn't impress me because of course AMD would want to showcase Zen 3 with it. It's a best case scenario. Had a benchmark been leaked that showcased Zen 3 betting the 10900k in RDR2 at 1080/1440p by 10-15% I'd be super impressed. But AOTS we all know favours multi-core, not single threaded performance.
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I haven't heard anything yet on the actual embargo date. Of course, I'm unsure if I'm even getting samples of them this time around. We were sampled for Zen 2, so there is a good chance I'll get them. But I have no information at this time.

Looking forward! Thanks,
 
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From a marketing persepctive, I guess it makes sense to hold off showing reviews for as late as possible. Although that could also speak volumes.

It's pretty standard procedure for all manufacturers. The primary reason for this is that work on the product continues right up until release. The hardware is usually finalized the week before, but firmware such as BIOS revisions and AGESA code get worked on for release day. They circle back around to fix issues that pop up during the first days of the launch and beyond.
 

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It's pretty standard procedure for all manufacturers. The primary reason for this is that work on the product continues right up until release. The hardware is usually finalized the week before, but firmware such as BIOS revisions and AGESA code get worked on for release day. They circle back around to fix issues that pop up during the first days of the launch and beyond.

That's crazy to think they finalize hardware the week before... you'd think they'd have finalized the hardware months before but then I'm also not familar with the whole process. I know Agesa code and Bios's get updates before and after as issues crop up, too many variables to test every scenario so I guess holding back as long as possible makes sense under that light. I really hope it does edge out the 10900k in gaming, because besides the AOTS benchmark, if Zen 3 only matches Cometlake in Gaming... in 3 months Intel will just drop Rocket lake which even if it's 10% IPC increase, will hold it's crown until they kick out their next chip. Would be nice to see AMD take the crown for both multi-core and single core, and stay on top for at least a few years.
 

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That's crazy to think they finalize hardware the week before... you'd think they'd have finalized the hardware months before but then I'm also not familar with the whole process. I know Agesa code and Bios's get updates before and after as issues crop up, too many variables to test every scenario so I guess holding back as long as possible makes sense under that light. I really hope it does edge out the 10900k in gaming, because besides the AOTS benchmark, if Zen 3 only matches Cometlake in Gaming... in 3 months Intel will just drop Rocket lake which even if it's 10% IPC increase, will hold it's crown until they kick out their next chip. Would be nice to see AMD take the crown for both multi-core and single core, and stay on top for at least a few years.
I mean, they're probably on the hardware equiv of beta version 20 or so a week before launch. There may be minor hardware bugs, but it's mostly ironed out and production is probably set up if not already rolling out small batches.
 

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That's crazy to think they finalize hardware the week before... you'd think they'd have finalized the hardware months before but then I'm also not familar with the whole process. I know Agesa code and Bios's get updates before and after as issues crop up, too many variables to test every scenario so I guess holding back as long as possible makes sense under that light. I really hope it does edge out the 10900k in gaming, because besides the AOTS benchmark, if Zen 3 only matches Cometlake in Gaming... in 3 months Intel will just drop Rocket lake which even if it's 10% IPC increase, will hold it's crown until they kick out their next chip. Would be nice to see AMD take the crown for both multi-core and single core, and stay on top for at least a few years.

Well, I misspoke. The hardware is usually, but not always finalized earlier. I have heard of cases where the hardware was finalized pretty close to release. Maybe not a week out, but not much longer than that. There was almost no time when AMD launched X370 because the motherboard makers placed priority on Z270 or whatever it was at the time. Firmware, is worked on right up until release. They put their best firmware that they have on the boards that are initially manufactured, but they'll almost always have updated BIOS revisions on release day.
 

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Well, I misspoke. The hardware is usually, but not always finalized earlier. I have heard of cases where the hardware was finalized pretty close to release. Maybe not a week out, but not much longer than that. There was almost no time when AMD launched X370 because the motherboard makers placed priority on Z270 or whatever it was at the time. Firmware, is worked on right up until release. They put their best firmware that they have on the boards that are initially manufactured, but they'll almost always have updated BIOS revisions on release day.

The x370 I remember because motherboard makers didn't want to commit factory floor space, as well and primarily changing over tool and die for a new unproven platform with AMD, meanwhile Z270 was their bread and butter, at the time.
 

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I am not sure if this is stupid but why not buy one but don't open it until reviews are out and you know for sure it is worth keeping. That way it prevents the hassle of having to return it if need be. Makes it a little easier. Plus if you get it off Amazon returns are super easy.
 

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If memory serves it's rare that you can buy before the review embargo expires. But I remember seeing it happen.
 

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I am not sure if this is stupid but why not buy one but don't open it until reviews are out and you know for sure it is worth keeping. That way it prevents the hassle of having to return it if need be. Makes it a little easier. Plus if you get it off Amazon returns are super easy.

Because that's not how this works. You can't buy them before the embargo date ends. Reviewers will have CPU's in hand about 7 to 10 days or so before the NDA expires.

If memory serves it's rare that you can buy before the review embargo expires. But I remember seeing it happen.

I can't think of a time where it's happened. Although, I've heard of some slipping through when a retailer makes a mistake or something like that.
 

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I can't think of a time where it's happened. Although, I've heard of some slipping through when a retailer makes a mistake or something like that.

The only specific example I can find is the GTX 7800 512, but it looks like you're right it was a retailer selling early. This gentleman bought some cards on Nov 11 2005 and the reviewer NDA expired Nov 14.
 
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Ampere was embargoed to the day of release. This is industry standard you fool.
Only the 3090 was embargoed to the day of release. The 3080’s embargo expired the morning on the day before launch.
 

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The sales date is November 5, 2020.

When can we expect to see some reviews? Anyone have any concrete embargo date information?
 

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The sales date is November 5, 2020.

When can we expect to see some reviews? Anyone have any concrete embargo date information?

Did you not read what was said about this earlier in the thread? Embargo dates and the day these products show up for sale are always one in the same with very rare exceptions.
 
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