Elon Musk’s Kid-Submarine Was “A PR Stunt,” Thailand Cave Rescue Diver Says

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  1. SnowBeast

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    Yeah because the guy who is making us getting back into space exploration and alternative energy vehicles needs "PR"? Anybody who thinks that after seeing interview after interview with Elon Mush is a fool period. It's like the fools living in U.S.A that constantly bash Microsoft and specially Apple every time they get chance. Two of he oldest tech companies that made a lot of what we have possible get bashed on by these type of people, yet they are the most copied companies in history, specially Apple who won a 4 Billion dollar patent lawsuit against Samsung.
     
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    This mentality blows my mind. He's a random guy that has created an automotive company. One that has the most desirable electric vehicles on the market.

    Making inroads into the auto market takes fucking balls, even more so to do it in a new field.

    That said, I feel he was a bit late to this party. They were already getting kids out, slowly, but it was coming around. Too late to try a bunch of shit at that point.
     
  3. Rob94hawk

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    Someone offers to help & you spit in his fucking face? This guy is a first class douche!
     
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  4. auntjemima

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    Two ways to look at it..

    1) guy is a douche

    2) Guy is down there trying to save children while also trying to stay alive. In the mean time he has some billionaire down there with an idea that can't possibly work and getting in the way of real work.

    Take your pick.
     
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  5. IndyColtsFan

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    Wait, didn’t Musk claim that they “worked closely” with the Thai rescue team in determining sizing for the sub? So if that’s the case, why is one of the lead divers saying the thing wouldn’t have even made it 50 meters in?
     
  6. Rob94hawk

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    It may not work in that particular situation but at least someone gave a shit enough to build something that maybe can be designed to work for another situation. People are so fucking miserable & ungrateful nowadays that no one will step up to help. Fucktards like this will discourage Good Samaritans. And that will be a real tragedy.
     
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  7. auntjemima

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    British diver is quoted, so maybe he did work with the Thai team.
     
  8. StoleMyOwnCar

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    But the fact of the matter is, we don't necessarily know what went on down there. For all we know there could have been some silly situation where the sub (or the idea of using it) kept getting in the way of a capable rescuer, who just desperately wanted to provide the aid that he knew he could provide. He sounded very frustrated and tired.

    Anyway, wanting to help is one thing, executing it poorly and assuming it's the best, while getting in the way of more optimal ideas... that's just hubris. Sometimes you have to realize that your help is simply in the way. And inability to accept that is, again, hubris. Well not saying this is what happened. The diver could just be a jerk, but I want to give him the benefit of a doubt. No one that goes out of their way to save people can be that bad on the inside.
     
  9. Teenk9

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    Yeah, what a douche. It's not like he risked his own life for a bunch of strangers or anything.
     
  10. Rob94hawk

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    You're missing the point. Elon didn't have to do anything to help but he did and he gets bashed for it? It's disrespectful IMO. Just fucking say thank you for your effort and move on. Those kids were gonna suffocate.
     
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  11. Rob94hawk

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    Read my above quote.
     
  12. emphy

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    In normal situations it's already quite annoying when other people butt in, I can only imagine how much worse it could be in a rescue situation.

    However well-meaning, sometimes (well, almost always) it is better to just get out of the way of the experts and let them handle the emergency.
     
  13. StoleMyOwnCar

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    What I meant to say in so many fewer words.
     
  14. Teenk9

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    No, you need perspective. The guy literally was in the most stressful situation you could only imagine being in and he had been there from hour one for people he doesn't know. You keep saying Elon didn't have to help, well guess what, this guy didn't either but there he was. Yet to you he's the douche.
     
  15. Rob94hawk

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    I have perspective. And I'm also an licensed medical professional & emergency responder. If a Good Samaritan arrives at an accident before I do and comforts a victim or puts pressure on a open wound, do I insult them because they are not 'experts?' I've been asked by 'non experts' in emergency situations if they could be of any further assistants and my response would always be polite & thankful! And I've been in many emergency situations. So yeah, the diver is a fucking disrespectful douche.
     
  16. Teenk9

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    LOL, here we go. Well guess what, I'm Batman!
     
  17. Smashing Young Man

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    You're comparing Musk arriving with a frickin' submarine at a controlled emergency situation with a road accident? Why did Musk need to be there in person anyway?
     
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    The projection was made due to weather and the condition of the kids. When the group was first found there was no way to get the kids out. Both due to the danger of the swim and their weakened condition. If rain had started to come down heavily during the rescue attempt they would have likely had to call it off and wait either for a backup plan to be viable or for the rainy season to end. They were lucky enough to have weather conditions and equipment that allowed them to get everyone out safely when they did.
     
  19. Rob94hawk

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    If you're Batman you're doing a pretty shitty job at it.
     
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  20. Rob94hawk

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    You just explained the situation with your own quote: 'emergency situation' & 'road accident.' Ever trache a person with an impaled jaw from an airbag struggling to breath? That's what we can an 'emergency' or 'pretty much can fucking die if you don't create an airway.' She didn't have two weeks like the kids in the cave had.

    And I don't know why he was there. Maybe people that just want to help & have potentially life saving ideas should just stay the fuck home & watch the postmortem report on TV the next day.
     
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  21. trandoanhung1991

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    Well, there's always going to be another trapped football team somewhere in the world that's more accessible for Musk's submarine.

    Seriously, designing and prototyping an absolute piece of junk that wouldn't have helped is not far from a PR stunt. He should've known better than prototyping a solution without knowing what the problems are.

    It's either stupidity or hubris, take your pick.
     
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    if it's so obvious that this sub is totally incompatible with the cave then how could this be a publicity stunt? What kind of publicity would one hope to achieve by making a fool of themselves? I think the most logical answer is that they didnt know the sub would be such a failure and were trying to help
     
  23. IndyColtsFan

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    When I say “Thai rescue team,” I am using it to represent the entire rescue team, of which the British were members. I am assuming any info relayed to Musk would’ve come from information gathered from all divers, including the Brits.

    Nevertheless, the Elon worship in this thread is almost as bad as the last thread. This British guy might be an ass, but I believe him when he says the sub wouldn’t have worked - many of us said this the last time and were eviscerated by Musk zealots. Him arriving onsite in the midst of the rescue efforts was nothing more than a distraction and yes, a PR stunt. The real experts were working hard to rescue these kids and Musk would’ve been better served offering money, supplies, etc.
     
  24. Retronym

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    It can be two things.
     
  25. Prisoner849

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    What a salty old prick. I'm no Musk fan, but at least he tried. Fuck this guy.
     
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    So you're saying a person that risked his life since the very beginning, and was an actual hero that got some of those trapped kids out, you're saying he didn't try? That he should just shut his mouth because, you know, Musk showed up at the scene two weeks later?

    Seriously, the lack of perspective of some posters here baffles the mind.
     
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    Doesn’t take a genius if you’ve been following the rescue. Strong currents + solid objects (sub) + tight spaces = blocked passed = everyone dead on the other side. Ever been in a strong current? You don’t win... I’ve seen boats wrapped around rocks like paper.
     
  28. sfsuphysics

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    Wonder if massive water pumps could have put a dent in that water
     
  29. Kalabalana

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    Thailand did not want any outside help in managing their country, it would be an embarrassment for any Westerner to offer anything, and this is what happened.

    Does this diver have any clue about Elon Musk and the rescue submarine? Probably not at all (not at all), but him and his friends can talk poorly about it, especially now that the operation is over and nobody (other than the initial diver) died.
    If the operation was a failure, or couldn't move forward, they would need the outside help, and would hate to receive it.

    Why is he going out of his way to say it was a PR stunt? Because he's Thai, he is prideful, and being able to speak on the topic is likely the most public attention he will ever receive. Good that he shits on the outsider, and reflects the pride and respect he feels for his home country.That is likely the culture he is surrounded in - remember, this is Thailand, and he is a diver.
     
  30. dangerouseddy

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    afaik the military diverted some streams and they had pumps running as well, but it is monsoon season.
     
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    This was unfeasible. It was one of the first options on the table, and was quickly shuttered due to the monsoon. They just weren't going to be able to pump the water out in a timely manner.
     
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    The number one thing that makes this reek of a PR stunt is the social media aspect of it all. There really was no need for Elon Musk to go on Twitter and make it known to the world that he was aware of the situation, and was getting a team to work on a solution. He even set up a timeline as to how the process would take place.

    All of this could've been done in the background, without all the Twitter handwringing. In fact, that might have been the better PR move, if we want to be even more cynical.

    I'm a fan of some things that Musk does, but it's abundantly clear that he's managed to build up a cult of personality. Some of the responses I've seen in this thread and on the internet in general are bordering on absurd.
     
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    I think the diver in question was British, not Thai.
     
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    He is a dick, a heroic dick, but a dick all the same. I doubt his nation of origin really changes that.
     
  35. Prisoner849

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    Yeah, that's what I said. Exactly. Remain baffled.
     
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    Elon is the attention whore in HS who wants to always be in front of the camera. People already told him not to send that death trap to Thailand, but he didn't listen. He would have been better off sending the money he used for shipment and his airplane ticket to support the efforts.

    Every problem has an optimal solution and that submarine death trap was not the right tool for the job. Most people would have claustrophobia in a tube that small and panic. Imagine having to stay inside for four hours during any rescue? The navy SEALs had sedate the kids in order to keep them from panicking in the conditions they were in. For an experienced diver, doing cave dives with zero visibility is bad enough. If the person panicked, it would cause death if they dislodged their masks. Some of the areas were insanely tight even without the scuba gears. That tube would have never worked in these conditions.

    I'm glad the diver called out Elon for his publicity stunt. Now that Elon posted this crap, it shows what type of person he is inside. The guy is like a slimy salesman. He makes a pitch and the real engineers have to put up with his crappy ideas. The pointy hair boss and the salesman in Dilbert cartoon is a caricature of Elon Musk.
     
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    Someone basically re-phrased what I wrote above, because they're a journalist and I'm just some guy on the internet: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-ful...-involvement-with-the-Thai-cave-rescue-effort
     
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