Early Office 2010 Sales 'Disappointing'

Watching my professors try to deal with 2010 is going to be painful. Last year the professors received a message from the University stating they needed to have knowledge of current software and be able to demonstrate its use to students.

$150 is an expensive night of partying. My college drunk nights consist of PBR, Keystone, Miller and Bud for everyone else then jager for myself.
 
$150, try $80 for students the Pro version with everything. That's just not a lot of money. Hell I just had to plop down $200 to get my AC fixed today.
 
heatlesssun said:
Really, you can dig and dig and dig into Office and find something new everyday. The biggest problem with Office as a suite is that is so complex I don't think that the average person understands how to use even 30% of it, even a lot of self-proclaimed power users.
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I'm not denying that it is ripe with features, But to go from there to saying that it is limitless, that's too big a leap for me. Let me give examples why:

- MS Excel has a limited no. of statistical analysis tools and, by my experience, doesn't handle large amounts of data all that well;
- MS Powerpoint still pales in comparison to Keynote, IMO;
- MS Publisher is decent, but lacks the flexibility of InDesign or QuarkXPress (lack of proper CMYK support being the most obvious flaw);
- And, most annoying of all, layouts and some elements' behaviour in MS Word or MS Powerpoint is still not consistent. That does drive me up the wall.

I suppose this brief list illustrates my point. It is good. It just isn't the best thing since sliced bread.
 
anthrex said:
I don't think I've seen much advertising for Office 2k10. Although I very well could be blind.

Also I don't think Open Office had any effect on the sales whatsoever.
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same here, only once have i seen a decent size company (several hundred employees or more) with mostly office personnel even try to use open office.....they tried to avoid using outlook and exchange server and used groupwise for years too...guess what they run now?
MS Office....

most companies even if they do try using Open office end up going back to Office because nothing sucks worse than sending a document to a client in a tense moment and having them get all pissy and treat you like you are cheap because it wont open or display properly when they use Office to open it.......its just not worth it...
 
nobody_here said:
same here, only once have i seen a decent size company (several hundred employees or more) with mostly office personnel even try to use open office.....they tried to avoid using outlook and exchange server and used groupwise for years too...guess what they run now?
MS Office....

most companies even if they do try using Open office end up going back to Office because nothing sucks worse than sending a document to a client in a tense moment and having them get all pissy and treat you like you are cheap because it wont open or display properly when they use Office to open it.......its just not worth it...
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True. And guess which company doesn't comply with the standard that it forced to standardize?

So, even though openoffice could be, in principle, a viable alternative (let's face it - many individuals need an office suite for just very simple tasks), it is rejected because it just can't display files created in MS Office properly.
 
remind me why i need a new WORD PROCESSOR? a typewriter can do it, 2003 can definitely do it...how about you offer it for free to please your customers microsoft?
 
Too expensive and i dont see any reason to upgrade.
I love 2007.. haven't even bothered to play with 2010 yet
 
setekh said:
- MS Excel has a limited no. of statistical analysis tools
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Well see like I said you dig into Office and you learn something new everyday. You do know about the 64 bit version's pretty much limited only by memory capabilty now don't you? Milllions and millions of rows if you want them now. The problem with it is that it it's not very compatible with 32 bit add-ons.

And there are a TON of add-on tools for things like statistical analysis.
 
heatlesssun said:
If you say there's no difference between Office 2007 and Office 2010 you simply don't know the products well.
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+1.

Office 2010 is a huge step up from 2007. It brings a whole new level of refinement and usability. Take Word 2010 as an example. The refinements made to grammar and synonym recognition alone make it a worthwhile purchase for many. Factor in the performance boost and you've got a fantastic product that unfortunately gets downplayed by idiots.
 
Steve said:
Apparently Office 2010 sales have been disappointing so far. Mind you, the numbers are better than Office 2007’s numbers…but analysts are still disappointed. Huh?!?
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Hello Mr. Analyst. It's called a recession. Home users won't rush to buy a new Word processor. Businesses certainly aren't going to rush out to buy a new software package.

It's a nice package, but if I didn't have Technet, I wouldn't have 2010.
 
Hrm, my Beta of 2010 is still working.

I haven't installed the RTM of Office 2010 for fear of muckin up the works. I'll do a fresh install when I upgrade my video card or something.
 
dleib said:
remind me why i need a new WORD PROCESSOR? a typewriter can do it, 2003 can definitely do it...how about you offer it for free to please your customers microsoft?
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Your typewriter has spellcheck? And if people don't buy things then their not customers. There isn't a great deal of new features...I looked them up and so far all I can find is...

Ribbon interface and Backstage View across all applications
Background Removal Tool
Letter Styling
The Word 2007 Equation editor is common to all applications, replacing MS Equation 3.0
New SmartArt templates
New text and image editing effects
Screen Capturing and Clipping tools
Live collaboration functions
Jumplists in Windows 7
New animations in Powerpoint 2010
Social Connector (whatever that means. I'm antisocial with my interwebs)

Wikipedia babay! Anyway, if you don't want/need anything there, don't buy it. Things cost money to research however meaningless the gains are. So it's going to cost money, it's not a charity. Otherwise i'm going to need GPU upgrades for free.
 
snaggletooth said:
Hrm, my Beta of 2010 is still working.

I haven't installed the RTM of Office 2010 for fear of muckin up the works. I'll do a fresh install when I upgrade my video card or something.
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I've done three upgrade installs from 2007, not a hitch.
 
dleib said:
remind me why i need a new WORD PROCESSOR? a typewriter can do it, 2003 can definitely do it...how about you offer it for free to please your customers microsoft?
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It's called windows office web.
 
heatlesssun said:
Well see like I said you dig into Office and you learn something new everyday. You do know about the 64 bit version's pretty much limited only by memory capabilty now don't you? Milllions and millions of rows if you want them now. The problem with it is that it it's not very compatible with 32 bit add-ons.

And there are a TON of add-on tools for things like statistical analysis.
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Granted, I did use a 32-bit version.

Still, no amount of add-ons will allow one to make graphs in excel as accurately (and, I argue, as easily) as in sigmaplot, for instance. My criticism didn't come out of thin air. I actually tried the software and saw there are better alternatives for complex work.
 
DeathPrincess said:
Even this person? You're all out of touch with your 480 SLI and 800d, and your non torrent music/films and don't understand life in the ghettos.
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Don't a lot of schools require students to buy, oh I don't know, books and laptops, and isn't there this thing called tuition? $80 over three years. 8 cents a day. Sorry, I just don't buy it. Hell I was broke plenty in school but $80 over three years is something I could come up with.
 
I'm running Office 2010 64-bit. I really like the things they've done with Outlook and I have noticed a pretty considerable performance increase in that application as well. Still, very very expensive at like 400-500$ a pop for a volume license.
 
setekh said:
Granted, I did use a 32-bit version.

Still, no amount of add-ons will allow one to make graphs in excel as accurately (and, I argue, as easily) as in sigmaplot, for instance. My criticism didn't come out of thin air. I actually tried the software and saw there are better alternatives for complex work.
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But you can easily take your Excel data and plug it into that. You have some VERY high end requirements for graphing then. But I have a funny feeling that 90% of the charts you see in the world come out of Excel these days.
 
Morazl said:
I'm running Office 2010 64-bit. I really like the things they've done with Outlook and I have noticed a pretty considerable performance increase in that application as well. Still, very very expensive at like 400-500$ a pop for a volume license.
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NO ONE has to pay that kind of money for Office, and I mean legally. A lot of people get it through work like me and don't pay a dime out of pocket.
 
Plenty of reason to upgrade from 2003, especially form a business perspective. For the most part no reason to upgrade from 2007. It's clearly a stepup from 2007, closer to what I envisioned 2007 to be, but really not much of a difference at all.
 
98% of all office users could never use more features than office 98 and be happy with it. instead we have to contend with slow file format changes and other type prodding to push for the upgrade. I mean really, how many people use anything more than simple excel files and word docs?
 
Taco said:
Plenty of reason to upgrade from 2003, especially form a business perspective. For the most part no reason to upgrade from 2007. It's clearly a stepup from 2007, closer to what I envisioned 2007 to be, but really not much of a difference at all.
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Actually from the enterprise, especially one that has a SharePoint investment there's HUGE reasons to upgrade.
 
heatlesssun said:
NO ONE has to pay that kind of money for Office, and I mean legally. A lot of people get it through work like me and don't pay a dime out of pocket.
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No joke. I work in IT and they just bought retail copies to save several thousands of dollars, volume licensing pricing is just rape. My copy was free through work since we're microsoft certified.
 
heatlesssun said:
But you can easily take your Excel data and plug it into that. You have some VERY high end requirements for graphing then. But I have a funny feeling that 90% of the charts you see in the world come out of Excel these days.
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Oh yes. Even sigmaplot can import .xls files. It is just too ubiquitous to exclude.

Granted, I don't think most people need this kind of accuracy. I was just trying to prove a point. Excel should be more than enough for most.
 
heatlesssun said:
Don't a lot of schools require students to buy, oh I don't know, books and laptops, and isn't there this thing called tuition? $80 over three years. 8 cents a day. Sorry, I just don't buy it. Hell I was broke plenty in school but $80 over three years is something I could come up with.
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Your forgetting peer pressure. How would a student live it down if they were like "no I can't come out because i'm saving for office 2010". And people would laugh and say "but 2007 has all the same features" and then you'd have to be all like "but it allows social interaction". Which at which point the very fact that you had stopped going out and enjoying your brief years of "socialising" were stopped by something with "socialising something". Which would mean that technology was taking over our lives, and skynet had become aware. AT which point i'd be at your front door screaming for you not to forget the shotgun sheels and everclear. And we all know shotgun sheels cost more then 80$. When we look back after the apocalypse, we shall allknow that that 80$ was well spent.
 
heatlesssun said:
Actually from the enterprise, especially one that has a SharePoint investment there's HUGE reasons to upgrade.
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If you are cursed enough to have a Sharepoint environment, possibly, but you have bigger issues :D.

My last company is likely going to upgrade everyone to 2010, but mostly because they skipped 2007.
 
setekh said:
Oh yes. Even sigmaplot can import .xls files. It is just too ubiquitous to exclude.

Granted, I don't think most people need this kind of accuracy. I was just trying to prove a point. Excel should be more than enough for most.
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Understood. One of the great things about Office, its SO well supported by third parties. And it is EXSTENSIBLE. I actually am a co-holder of a patent that my work filed for that is an Excel add-in. It's nothing much really but as most people know around here you can patented farting into a paper bag.

People talk on and on about the cost of Office. If Apple gets consumers, Microsoft gets the enterprise. That little add-in allowed the company to shed almost a $1 million a year in payroll. Kind of sucks but most busineses aren't stupid. There's a reason they buy Office and its not to pad Microsoft's pockets but their own.
 
Taco said:
If you are cursed enough to have a Sharepoint environment, possibly, but you have bigger issues :D.

My last company is likely going to upgrade everyone to 2010, but mostly because they skipped 2007.
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Where I work everyone LOVES SharePoint. Honestly, not sure where you coming from but most enterprises love SP, the damned thing is awesome, one again, if you know how to use it.
 
Little reason to upgrade is IMO a huge reason.

Office 2007 was a nice upgrade. Office 2010... Apart from some menus and other nice little changes, not much new... I could live perfectly happy with Office 2007.
 
DeathPrincess said:
Your forgetting peer pressure. How would a student live it down if they were like "no I can't come out because i'm saving for office 2010". And people would laugh and say "but 2007 has all the same features" and then you'd have to be all like "but it allows social interaction". Which at which point the very fact that you had stopped going out and enjoying your brief years of "socialising" were stopped by something with "socialising something". Which would mean that technology was taking over our lives, and skynet had become aware. AT which point i'd be at your front door screaming for you not to forget the shotgun sheels and everclear. And we all know shotgun sheels cost more then 80$. When we look back after the apocalypse, we shall allknow that that 80$ was well spent.
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Wow, all that over $80. Okay, Google Docs then or even the free web and client versions of Office. Really if $80 over there years is causing someone these kinds of problems they need WAY more help than Office can give them anyway.
 
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