EA on Women in Battlefield V: Accept It, or Don’t Buy the Game

[Skylinestar]

EA, when are you gonna make this?

 

[HockeyJon]

My new goal in life is to have things so easy that I can spend time worrying about stupid crap like the gender of a character I’m playing as in a video game.

 

[GlowingGhoul]

What he actually said:

Which is 100% factually accurate; there were enormous numbers of women that saw combat in WWII. That includes women actively fighting for the western allies, though those were in special operations roles, not regular army.

That's not to say the game won't suck, because EA, but they're 100% correct that women were involved in direct combat in WWII.

Trying to defend sexism with "but my immersion" is deplorable. Gaming is not club G.R.O.S.S.

LOL, "sexism", "deplorable". You're a ridiculously hypersensitive hysteric. Woman living ANYWHERE in Africa, the Middle East, Central America, and most of Asia are truly oppressed, if not outright enslaved. In western countries, women aren't forced to marry anyone, aren't traded as property, and are free to become whatever they are capable of.

 

[Hornet]

IMO this is a non issue.

The real problem with EA would be how they are killing all the great franchise they have.
Such as their latest victim C&C

 

[_l_]

My new goal in life is to have things so easy that I can spend time worrying about stupid crap like the gender of a character I’m playing as in a video game.

that's not the real issue, it's when EA said "Accept it, or don't buy it" as though they are daddy threatening his kids

Anyone know when Shadow of the Tomb Raider, the sequel to Rise of the Tomb Raider will be released?

Excellent series, blows away anything EA

How about Metro Exodus? I heard in 2019 but when (another series that blows EA out of the water)

 

[d8lock]

Women's Battalion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_Battalion

American reporter Bessie Beatty estimated the total number of women serving in these gender-segregated units at 5,000 in the fall of 1917, but only the 1st Russian Women's Battalion of Death and the Perm Battalion were deployed to the front.[3]

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These were Russian female soldiers in the images above.

46 Canadian female soldiers were killed during the war.

Women in World War I.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_World_War_I

2,000 Finnish female soldiers fought in their Civil War which was started because of Russia's collapse during World War I. It ended with Finland finally breaking from from Russian rule and becoming an independent country. Finland was supposed to join Germany after the war, but we know how that worked out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War

Female Red Guards of the Finnish Civil War.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Civil_War

Women have been fighting in wars since the beginning of time. Heck the Vikings were notable for their women fighting alongside the men. I don't know why people think that the same cultures that produced the Vikings would suddenly make their women into trophy wives for World War I.

Most women enlisted during World War I from America were nurses or doing things like running switchboards. Nurses of course were in the military hospitals that were near to the battles. Many men that were traumatized by chemical warfare preferred female nurses as they could calm them down.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_women_in_World_War_I

11,000 American women in the Navy
21,000 Army nurses.
Lots more. Check out the article.

Same thing happened in World War II.

/shrug

They don't look very intimidating.

 

[Billy the Dimwit]

My new goal in life is to have things so easy that I can spend time worrying about stupid crap like the gender of a character I’m playing as in a video game.

this

 

[seanreisk]

FUCK! I thought 'SJW' stood for 'Single Jaded Whiteboy', no wonder everyone tells me to shut-up at the meetings.

Seriously, this entire thread has me confused. I am both logical and empathetic, but if I can't rationalize and express my feelings on this topic, then it's got to be some kind of fucked up Catch-22. I'm all for equal female participation and I honestly wouldn't have cared if EA had included female fighters and said nothing. I just wouldn't care. At all. I didn't care right up until the developer opened his word hole and said, "I'm doing this to empower women," and then my nuts started to ache. When you cannot defend the truth (the truth being that great- great- grandma 'Boots' McWebstrap did not roll out of a trench in Bastogne and hose down a squad of Nazis with her BAR) without being an asshole to millions of under-represented girls, then you're caught in a situation where history is trumped by feelings.

Women - if you're feeling like you are under-represented and under-valued, don't use the nation's burgeoning gender inequality awareness to get EA to put female soldiers in a World War II game. That's a pissant move and it wastes your spotlight. Instead, point out that women can't play as women in the latest EA title, and use that as a wedge to find out how well women are represented as employees at EA. Your equality is not based on fictional representations. Female fighters in Battlefield is a pyrrhic victory, especially since EA is never going to put women on the offensive line of Madden NFL 24.


P.S. It's a small point, probably not worth the air it takes to voice it, but for God's sake, EA, please tell me that you allowed players to choose to be Hispanic, Asian or African-American after you played the pro-female card.

 

[A Little Teapot]

Three pages of comments shows that these bullshit marketing tactics are still working. Get everyone riled up over nothing and watch the sparks fly! Then in a few weeks when the game drops they'll have forgotten about the drama, but the game's name will have stuck in their head... and then they see it on Origin... "Oh cool a new Battlefield!"

We could make all this annoyance go away if we just kill the SJW's and everyone in every marketing department everywhere. Also the lawyers.

 

[nysmo]

That's not the real issue, it's when EA said "Accept it, or don't buy it" as though they are daddy threatening his kids

well honestly thats who they're talking to if you're complaining about unrealistic characters in a fantasy driven video game with unrealistic outcomes. "Oh let me just fly my P-52 and eject at 400mph and snipe an enemy pilot between the eyes, steal his aircraft in mid air, kamikaze an infantryman on horseback and then knife a medic in the throat for a sweet multi-kill!" while bitching about how women were never in combat.

 

[naib]

There is only one solution to this...
People get butthurt where there is "diversity" people get butthurt when there isn't diversity. People ram diversity in for diversity sake...

ALL characters must be this:

 

[JDanser]

This is here to blame poor sales on sexism rather than EA'S track record.

This guy is psychic and can obviously see into the future. Tell me, [H]ardStradamus, what are next week's powerball numbers?

 

[AK0tA]

I really just want to see the Big Ole Titties DLC pack for this game, but honestly I don't even care because I will never own/play just wanted to bandwagon the hate for EA. I'll be over here parked in my Constellation in Star Citizen hanger pondering other things to complain about.

 

[Archaea]

Why not LBGT soldiers running around in a WWII game? I mean that might increase sales too! They can sell rainbow flags and rainbow gun skins in the microtransactions.

I mean, they are shooting for inclusive aren't they?



/s

 

[kirbyrj]

This is a pyrrhic victory since EA is never going to put women on the offensive line of Madden NFL 24.

I wonder if they'd say the same "accept it or don't buy the game" if they did. It's a cash cow to them.

 

[N4CR]

It's just equality you racist, nazi, white male pigs! Because it's not fair that 98% of all modern combat deaths are men. We need more equality, damn it!

 

[fs123]

Will we get feminists going up in arms when a game allows males to shoot women in the head or (ahem) other areas?

 

[TheToE!]

It's not really a huge deal I just think people are getting tired of having PC bullshit shoved into their hobby.

 

[tetris42]

The sad thing is, why the fuck is this even a topic of discussion?

Tired of everyone getting fucking butthurt over nothing.

It's two-fold. You have the SJW crowd that champions anything like this, regardless of context, then you have the anti-SJW crowd that swarms in and trips over themselves to talk about how dumb the SJW crowd is. The dynamic leads to a ton of views, publishers see this, so they give a platform to the SJW crowd to make more money, and rinse and repeat.

 

[Meeho]

It's not really a huge deal I just think people are getting tired of having PC bullshit shoved into their hobby.

This. There is a difference between having XYZ in your game because you wanted to make your game better or had an honest artistic vision, and another because you're pushing your ideological agenda. People can sense which is which, hence the backlash. This "bigoted gamers hate women in games" is not only a lie so obvious it's not even funny anymore, it's downright insulting.

 

[Meeho]

It's two-fold. You have the SJW crowd that champions anything like this, regardless of context, then you have the anti-SJW crowd that swarms in and trips over themselves to talk about how dumb the SJW crowd is. The dynamic leads to a ton of views, publishers see this, so they give a platform to the SJW crowd to make more money, and rinse and repeat.

No company made more money by disrespecting their established base and catering to SJWs. SJWs aren't consumers, they're ideologues and keyboard activists with no real interest in subjects or products they parasite off. They've killed movies, they've killed comics, they've killed books and they've killed games. They will never buy your "reformed" product because they have no interests besides bitching. And every company that stood against them, watched its numbers soar.

 

[Chupachup]

I'm laughing at the majority of you who take a fictional story account in game form and try to make it all about historical realism! It's a fucking GAME. As I generally hate EA's decisions a majority of the time, on this simple point, I'm with Soderlund- Buy it or don't! Vote with your wallet and quit your whining!

OMG! Dinosaurs appearing in a WWII game?!?! Start crying now! /sarc

 

[tetris42]

No company made more money by disrespecting their established base and catering to SJWs. SJWs aren't consumers, they're ideologues and keyboard activists with no real interest in subjects or products they parasite off. They've killed movies, they've killed comics, they've killed books and they've killed games. They will never buy your "reformed" product because they have no interests besides bitching. And every company that stood against them, watched its numbers soar.

Sorry, I was referring to online journalism publishers. He was asking why this is a topic of discussion. The news and journalism sites DEFINITELY benefit from SJW coverage because it means more views. It doesn't matter if who they're covering crashes and burns, as long as there's a brigade of people ready to decry them and get record views for their articles every time they cover one, they win. That's why you keep seeing SJW topics in the news over and over.

If people ignored them, they would go away and online sites would cover something else that gets more views. Instead, those articles are like catnip and the anti-SJW crowd can't stop fueling the fire talking about how dumb they are, thus it perpetuates. It's not that they're catering to them, the successful sites stay neutral, they just give them coverage so everyone can rail back at them and the site profits from the views. Think of it like the dunking booth at the fair where the clown shouts insults at people so you pay money to try and hit the target and drop him in the water, it's a similar concept.

 

[Nanogrip]

For those saying "Who cares? It's just a game. Why be so vocal about it?", here's my answer:
It is not right to just allow shit like this to happen, this modern PC movement into every single aspect of our lives, because it will affect you one day, trust me. I can't make a joke anymore without worrying about my job security, scolding a brat will get me in more trouble than it was a few years ago, I have to act and think like a lawyer each time I hook up with women, this is INSANE, and to have games belly up into this movement means it's nearly over. Don't be a nutless Ken doll FFS.

 

[DukenukemX]

I think it's cool that EA included women in the game. I play games for entertainment, not for historical accuracy. And I think the game will be more interesting with female characters.

We all know guys play girls for the sexiness. I mean if I were to get Battlefield V (I'm not) I would make this if possible. Shouldn't be a problem, cause we're not worried about historical accuracy now are we? Just imagine her running around with a rifle squatting on players she's killed.

 

[dgz]

You know what else breaks my immersion? Minorities. Every time I see one where it don't belongs I am like: dude, stay in your context.

Seriously, though. I've been playing for 30+ years and all I ever cared about is having nice gameplay where I do things with my hands and cool shit happens on the screen. Having nice sound also helps. Never liked the BF games myself. Too slow for my itch

 

[Ranulfo]

Just hilarious. The excuse for this idiocy (gotta sell that cosmetic loot and SJW nonsense) is a developer as a father being unable to tell his 13 year old daughter to get over not having a female character to play in a fps game based on ww2. Well you know what DICE, DAGNABBIT, I want a Laurence Croft character in the Tomb Raider games! End this bigotry against men being swashbuckling digger-uppers of old things.

 

[c@Nc3r]

The real issue here is catering to an audience that will never buy the product but bitches and moans for you to make changes to it. FYI if they weren't buying it before they won't buy it after.I quit buying EA games years ago. When they decide to bring back dedicated servers, mod support, and get rid of the money grabs then I might think about buying another BF. We all know that's never going to happen though.

 

[schoolslave]

The outrage has nothing to do with women, but everything to do with the deterioration of battlefield as a brand and game series.
EA are masters of social engineering, labeling any criticism against the game as anti-female is just a brilliant tactic given the current social trends.

 

[Jim Kim]

There is only one solution to this...
People get butthurt where there is "diversity" people get butthurt when there isn't diversity. People ram diversity in for diversity sake...

ALL characters must be this:

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That model appears to be all white, it will never fly. (if I had time I would make it rainbow colored)
At least a topic like this keeps redditors off our internet for a few days.

 

[_l_]

Steve: "Do you think we should buy EA?"
Bill: "Probably not, they're too incompetent ... let's pray about it"

 

[HockeyJon]

that's not the real issue, it's when EA said "Accept it, or don't buy it" as though they are daddy threatening his kids

Anyone know when Shadow of the Tomb Raider, the sequel to Rise of the Tomb Raider will be released?

Excellent series, blows away anything EA

How about Metro Exodus? I heard in 2019 but when (another series that blows EA out of the water)

How is that an issue, exactly? He’s saying that’s their plan for the game, and if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Sounds pretty logical to me. If a single player campaign with a woman character is enough to turn you off of a game that’s almost exclusively multiplayer based in the first place, then go play something else. Much more logical than spending hours bitching about it on the internet.

 

[Meeho]

I'm laughing at the majority of you who take a fictional story account in game form and try to make it all about historical realism! It's a fucking GAME. As I generally hate EA's decisions a majority of the time, on this simple point, I'm with Soderlund- Buy it or don't! Vote with your wallet and quit your whining!

OMG! Dinosaurs appearing in a WWII game?!?! Start crying now! /sarc

EA was the one bragging for caring about realism in this game. That's one of the reasons for the stronger backlash.

 

[WorldExclusive]

Just a video game. Can careless about any POV, for or against women in this game.

Have fun with the game or go outside and exercise.

 

[jiminator]

there is nothing realistic about video games. Women are an up and coming market for game companies. It does not make sense to sell them games where they can only play men.

 

[WorldExclusive]

there is nothing realistic about video games. Women are an up and coming market for game companies. It does not make sense to sell them games where they can only play men.

Those of us in a relationship, the conversation can go from "Why are you playing that game" to "I want to try it".
I had my wife play Tomb Raider and she enjoyed it. But she only watches me play BF for a few seconds. Insert female character and she'll move me out the way.

For movies, I'm a little more hard on this topic because of storytelling and it's ability to affect peoples worldview after the film.

 

[_l_]

How is that an issue, exactly? He’s saying that’s their plan for the game, and if you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Sounds pretty logical to me. If a single player campaign with a woman character is enough to turn you off of a game that’s almost exclusively multiplayer based in the first place, then go play something else. Much more logical than spending hours bitching about it on the internet.

it's not just an issue of "ACCEPT IT or get lost" which is really what they said far as I'm concerned. It's the way their tech support lies every single time I called them last week. Spoke with at least 10-15 tech over the coarse of over 3 hrs on the phone and one chat. Result? Nothing, absolutely nothing - DLC still wont load and EA Network no longer will authorize my paid for DLC for ME2 and ME3. I've seen this "can not authorize DLC" happen to me in 2017 and no tech could solve it LOL but it was because I was using a special character in my EA password. When I changed it to uppercase and lower case and numbers only the DLC authorized just fine. Now suddenly it does not.

So no, I will not solve EA's failures for free anymore especially after they dumped Andromeda after what, 3 months from release? IMO they are a dark company, greedy for gain and they needed to train their minimum wage tech support 'specialists" what, about 3 years ago?

I'm done commenting on EA (they say negative publicity is almost as good these days as positive)

 

[Ranulfo]

Those of us in a relationship, the conversation can go from "Why are you playing that game" to "I want to try it".
I had my wife play Tomb Raider and she enjoyed it. But she only watches me play BF for a few seconds. Insert female character and she'll move me out the way.

For movies, I'm a little more hard on this topic because of storytelling and it's ability to affect peoples worldview after the film.

So what you're saying is, your wife is a sexist who can never play a different sex character. All because she can't relate or something? Talk about narrow minded.

Also, video games have almost as much if not more chance to (certainly they make more money) influence people's worldview than movies.


Its one thing if this was a Wolfenstein alt-universe fantasy what-if type game when EA is talking about realism (such as it is combat wise in the BF games) in their ww2 game.

 

[pcgeekesq]

There is only one solution to this...
People get butthurt where there is "diversity" people get butthurt when there isn't diversity. People ram diversity in for diversity sake...

ALL characters must be this:

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That's a MALE mannequin, the hip region has the wrong aspect ration for a woman.

 

[bugleyman]

Why not just make the game where you can pick a guy or a girl to as? Let the player choose and everyone can live out whatever video game fantasy they want.

Uhm...that's exactly what they're doing?